rottingcorpse
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RaceU4her":i6vfhy2r said:
Damnit,now I want a SLO 25.
RaceU4her":i6vfhy2r said:
Rick Lee":1xkfg1gc said:EVH bought that Marshall when he was a kid and they weren't that rare. I think that amp was only three years old when he got it. He had no way of knowing that a '68 12000 series Rosemary was going to become the Holy Grail of Marshalls. You probably remember he stopped touring with it after it got lost in air freight for a few months, but recorded with it on every album. I'm trying to figure out how it ended up in NYC when he appeared on Letterman around '85. He couldn't play that thing in his apt. in NYC, he couldn't carry it on a plane as carry on, wouldn't ship it, probably wouldn't put it in checked baggage. Unless he flew in someone's private jet, how did it end up there, and why didn't he just borrow one from one of the stores on 48th St. for the night?
Anyway, this is his rig from the 5150 tour and they're all NMVs.
I just got a '78 NMV 100w and, while it's not the old Brown Sound, it definitely has some of that DNA in it. I saw that tour and his live tone was exponentially better than that mush on the 5150 album.
311splawndude":30191d0r said:Then why was it a hole and not a knob?sutepaj":30191d0r said:glip22":30191d0r said:Has anyone ever explained the hole in the chassis on the rear of " The Plexi"?
It was where Jose added a master volume.
This is my belief as well regardless of how many feel the amp was bone stock. No, it wasn't and Eddie will never admit it. Maybe he had some kind of contract deal with Marshall and he came to believe his own lie or there's another reason.psychodave":bsgpj8g9 said:311splawndude":bsgpj8g9 said:Then why was it a hole and not a knob?sutepaj":bsgpj8g9 said:glip22":bsgpj8g9 said:Has anyone ever explained the hole in the chassis on the rear of " The Plexi"?
It was where Jose added a master volume.
There was a pot in it when Eddie used it. Check out the pic.
I’m also sure there were zeners attached to the pot to give that added gain Eddie got when playing low volumes. When Eddie got bigger and played big venues where he could crank the amp, he no longer needed the master volume.
Also, all of those popular amp techs were in Eddies amp. Not one of them were in his amp back in 1978-1981, so anything they say is only based on when they saw it 20-30 years later.
Absolutely. And, not sure which tech mentioned it but saying that there's no 'evidence' of any previous mod is ridiculous. Once the mv was removed, you wouldn't be able to tell anything was ever done, except for the hole on the back which can be plugged.glip22":9msvl0y6 said:This is my belief as well regardless of how many feel the amp was bone stock. No, it wasn't and Eddie will never admit it. Maybe he had some kind of contract deal with Marshall and he came to believe his own lie or there's another reason.psychodave":9msvl0y6 said:311splawndude":9msvl0y6 said:Then why was it a hole and not a knob?sutepaj":9msvl0y6 said:glip22":9msvl0y6 said:Has anyone ever explained the hole in the chassis on the rear of " The Plexi"?
It was where Jose added a master volume.
There was a pot in it when Eddie used it. Check out the pic.
I’m also sure there were zeners attached to the pot to give that added gain Eddie got when playing low volumes. When Eddie got bigger and played big venues where he could crank the amp, he no longer needed the master volume.
Also, all of those popular amp techs were in Eddies amp. Not one of them were in his amp back in 1978-1981, so anything they say is only based on when they saw it 20-30 years later.
311splawndude":4mwcrgp6 said:Not to be annoying but why was the MV removed. Anyone know?
One could speculate that Eddie felt that the tone changed and asked to have to reversed? That's my guess. Also, would that have been a PPIMV?
Rdodson":10n71ah3 said:Fun to read the young'uns around here relive the voyage of discovery that is Ed's early amp tone.
Read Suhr's responses over at TGP, he was around back then. I worked for the band back in the 90s and have talked to Mike, Reinhold, etc. It was stock. Variac at 89-90v, bias dimed. Good ol' M25w GBs.
Rdodson":36ktfzf1 said:Fun to read the young'uns around here relive the voyage of discovery that is Ed's early amp tone.
Read Suhr's responses over at TGP, he was around back then. I worked for the band back in the 90s and have talked to Mike, Reinhold, etc. It was stock. Variac at 89-90v, bias dimed. Good ol' M25w GBs.
I like this quote that is in there311splawndude":24wgj8yh said:^ I would say yes based on some of his playing on A Different Kind of Truth
I for one am done after this because let's face it...does it really matter 40 years later?
That and I, like others, prefer the tone of Fair Warning and 1984 and Balance better anyway.
I went to google to find more pics of the back of that Marshall. The 'white knob'.
I found 2 things right away
This old Rig-Talk thread. Nice to see how we've all grown up. Go to the last page - page 11 as that seems pretty conclusive to me. What's interesting though is how people claim the amp was not modded but had some 'slight modifications'.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=143329
And this blog from woodytone and what John Suhr saw.
http://www.woodytone.com/2010/07/19/the ... uper-lead/
LP Freak":1lw6xeu7 said:I like this quote that is in there311splawndude":1lw6xeu7 said:^ I would say yes based on some of his playing on A Different Kind of Truth
I for one am done after this because let's face it...does it really matter 40 years later?
That and I, like others, prefer the tone of Fair Warning and 1984 and Balance better anyway.
I went to google to find more pics of the back of that Marshall. The 'white knob'.
I found 2 things right away
This old Rig-Talk thread. Nice to see how we've all grown up. Go to the last page - page 11 as that seems pretty conclusive to me. What's interesting though is how people claim the amp was not modded but had some 'slight modifications'.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=143329
And this blog from woodytone and what John Suhr saw.
http://www.woodytone.com/2010/07/19/the ... uper-lead/
Before the Dutch guy, before Suhr, the amp came to us at Soldano. I worked for Soldano in the late 80's-early 90's when Ed bought three SLO 100's (one of which he took to Peavey, which resulted in the 5150). Anyway, Ed's amp was totally stock except for the one little mod that everyone wants to keep secret. Well, here it is: On V2, there is a 820 ohm cathode resistor. Some plexis have this resistor bypassed with a .68 capacitor. Most Marshalls have no bypass cap here, just the 820 ohm. Well, Ed's amp had a 330uF electrolytic capacitor bypassing this 820 ohm resistor. If you look at Fender schematics for the tweed Bassman amp, Fender already tried this idea on the 5F6 Bassman (with a 25uF), but removed it on the next model, the famous 5F6A. Just adding that capacitor adds more gain than you might think. Add that cap to the Variac set at about 85 volts and all the other stuff, and there you are.
311splawndude":3jj1dtb8 said:^ I would say yes based on some of his playing on A Different Kind of Truth /
LP Freak":25pujzv5 said:I like this quote that is in there311splawndude":25pujzv5 said:^ I would say yes based on some of his playing on A Different Kind of Truth
I for one am done after this because let's face it...does it really matter 40 years later?
That and I, like others, prefer the tone of Fair Warning and 1984 and Balance better anyway.
I went to google to find more pics of the back of that Marshall. The 'white knob'.
I found 2 things right away
This old Rig-Talk thread. Nice to see how we've all grown up. Go to the last page - page 11 as that seems pretty conclusive to me. What's interesting though is how people claim the amp was not modded but had some 'slight modifications'.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=143329
And this blog from woodytone and what John Suhr saw.
http://www.woodytone.com/2010/07/19/the ... uper-lead/
Before the Dutch guy, before Suhr, the amp came to us at Soldano. I worked for Soldano in the late 80's-early 90's when Ed bought three SLO 100's (one of which he took to Peavey, which resulted in the 5150). Anyway, Ed's amp was totally stock except for the one little mod that everyone wants to keep secret. Well, here it is: On V2, there is a 820 ohm cathode resistor. Some plexis have this resistor bypassed with a .68 capacitor. Most Marshalls have no bypass cap here, just the 820 ohm. Well, Ed's amp had a 330uF electrolytic capacitor bypassing this 820 ohm resistor. If you look at Fender schematics for the tweed Bassman amp, Fender already tried this idea on the 5F6 Bassman (with a 25uF), but removed it on the next model, the famous 5F6A. Just adding that capacitor adds more gain than you might think. Add that cap to the Variac set at about 85 volts and all the other stuff, and there you are.
Rdodson":2a21x7lf said:The timing of that little thing is disputed, Ed doesn't (or didn't) remember, but yeah. It could add some.
The old style (not PPIMV) master volume "mod" that the amp sported for a very short time would do very little.
But get a Metro 12000 (which IS a '68 same spec as Ed's) and crank it on the variac setting and you are THERE, especially with an EP-3 in front. ESPECIALLY with a Boss EQ boosting the front end as well.
I PROMISE it isn't that complicated. It just isn't. But, if the quest keeps ya goin', then keep searching.
LP Freak":2a21x7lf said:I like this quote that is in there311splawndude":2a21x7lf said:^ I would say yes based on some of his playing on A Different Kind of Truth
I for one am done after this because let's face it...does it really matter 40 years later?
That and I, like others, prefer the tone of Fair Warning and 1984 and Balance better anyway.
I went to google to find more pics of the back of that Marshall. The 'white knob'.
I found 2 things right away
This old Rig-Talk thread. Nice to see how we've all grown up. Go to the last page - page 11 as that seems pretty conclusive to me. What's interesting though is how people claim the amp was not modded but had some 'slight modifications'.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=143329
And this blog from woodytone and what John Suhr saw.
http://www.woodytone.com/2010/07/19/the ... uper-lead/
Before the Dutch guy, before Suhr, the amp came to us at Soldano. I worked for Soldano in the late 80's-early 90's when Ed bought three SLO 100's (one of which he took to Peavey, which resulted in the 5150). Anyway, Ed's amp was totally stock except for the one little mod that everyone wants to keep secret. Well, here it is: On V2, there is a 820 ohm cathode resistor. Some plexis have this resistor bypassed with a .68 capacitor. Most Marshalls have no bypass cap here, just the 820 ohm. Well, Ed's amp had a 330uF electrolytic capacitor bypassing this 820 ohm resistor. If you look at Fender schematics for the tweed Bassman amp, Fender already tried this idea on the 5F6 Bassman (with a 25uF), but removed it on the next model, the famous 5F6A. Just adding that capacitor adds more gain than you might think. Add that cap to the Variac set at about 85 volts and all the other stuff, and there you are.
Rdodson":36ndpjs1 said:I don't know why this frustrates me so. I'm 51 and none of this matters anymore, but I guess conspiracy-theory nuts just drive me crazy.
John Suhr, Mike Soldano, R Bogner, Dave Friedman (heck, ME as like I said I worked for the band for a while and had first hand contact with these guys)...the amp was not modded in any way pertinent to THAT sound. Did Jose really jack up some stuff? Sure did. Some of it was kinda cool I guess, and sounded really neat for some, but it wasn't what you are looking for. Jose has become a myth, a Elf riding a unicorn in some Gen-X garage guitarists' fantasies leading to Valhalla where everyone has their own custom Ellsworth-cut axe and an amp born from the Force ghosts of Jim Marshall and Jose Arredondo in a grotto replicating the interior of Arco Electronics.
Heck, I don't know if he's on this board but ask George Metropoulos for his opinion. No...he's exhausted and trying to keep his amp business afloat and doesn't need the headache.