What is the biggest difference between those three. If I were to go the Syn route, those are the three that I've heard that I like the most.Rising Farce":2op9g979 said:The Powerball module in a SYN-50 yields one of the best modern-metal tones I've ever gotten, with any amp. The SLO and Uberschall are also crushing.
I was a big Randall and Egnater modular user for years, but the higher-quality PCBs used in the Synergy modules, and the Fryette-designed power section in the SYN-50, really seem to make a difference.
boyedav":s0azw58p said:tech21man":s0azw58p said:I don't doubt they sound good, but especially the hi gain ones...not all tube.
There's an initial 12AX7 stage from the SYN1/2/30/50 before it even hits the modules, then an additional 4 triode stages from (2) 12AX7s in the modules. The reason you'll see more than two tubes in a head is because of the topology of multiple channels that don't always share triodes, stages for FX/reverb, phase invertor.
Which modules are you saying aren't all tube?
tech21man":30ktx5xc said:That's a nice solution, getting three sets of values I guess. Still why didn't they just route the input to any module and then give the same ampage to power up the 12ax7 and let the module light up three...I mean it's not like the power transformer will need to be SOOO much bigger especially for systems with up to three modules...In the end it's their thought.
If it was about the r/f rejection...I mean you could get by with a ferrite bead a-la mesa. Framus omits it completely. Others go as low as 10K for the input resistor with no problems...anyway.
All these would be acceptable to me but it involves a lot of tuning by ear. Think of the fundamental differences that give a rectifier its difference to an SLO...yeah that topic again. Play a rectifier, dave friedman is right, I can be left though. The preamp IS the same, pretty much, but go full fat to the bass knob of a recto and do the same at soldano. Different transformers, power amp, choke. Same preamp...ok...Recto goes saggy titten maxen fast, the soldano is set for hi volume stays firm, is a bit stiff lower volume etc...So this has to be accounted for IN the preamp.
That is cool, but it really pushes me to digital preamp (modelling) even to a tube power amp...
Please post a review, and what amp you're using to amplify the SYN2.crankyrayhanky":1u5tmedc said:incoming: syn2, Powerball, Savage, Ecstasy
cardinal":2degvw30 said:tech21man":2degvw30 said:That's a nice solution, getting three sets of values I guess. Still why didn't they just route the input to any module and then give the same ampage to power up the 12ax7 and let the module light up three...I mean it's not like the power transformer will need to be SOOO much bigger especially for systems with up to three modules...In the end it's their thought.
If it was about the r/f rejection...I mean you could get by with a ferrite bead a-la mesa. Framus omits it completely. Others go as low as 10K for the input resistor with no problems...anyway.
All these would be acceptable to me but it involves a lot of tuning by ear. Think of the fundamental differences that give a rectifier its difference to an SLO...yeah that topic again. Play a rectifier, dave friedman is right, I can be left though. The preamp IS the same, pretty much, but go full fat to the bass knob of a recto and do the same at soldano. Different transformers, power amp, choke. Same preamp...ok...Recto goes saggy titten maxen fast, the soldano is set for hi volume stays firm, is a bit stiff lower volume etc...So this has to be accounted for IN the preamp.
That is cool, but it really pushes me to digital preamp (modelling) even to a tube power amp...
That's essentially my problem: the available power amps. And not just from Synergy, the overal rack amp market stinks. The Synergy AC module could be great, but running through a EL34/6L6 power section with negative feedback? Ehhhh... And as you note, the SLO and Recto preamps are very nearly the same but the amps sound vastly different.
NB: the Recto schematics I've seen have some minor differences from the SLO. I kinda remember seeing a cap or two in certain places that would bleed off some high frequencies. And the loop is executed differently. But I have a hard time imagining that those things alone make the amps sound so different.