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Picked this up the other day:

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It's the 2nd guitar I've had with a Wenge fretboard, and I think it imparts a wicked aggressive midrange on the tone. I expected a sub-par guitar, but this really surprised me. Heck of a lot of guitar for the $$$.

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So fuckin GREEEEEEEN dood.......really dig it. I like this headstock a lot too, much more aesthetically pleasing than a lot of their other offerings.

Good score, HNGD!

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Thank you sir! The green goblin hahahah! I went way outside my comfort zone on the color for this one. Not a green guy really, but I have to say it's a wicked cool color. It's a crazy bright and articulate tone. Never thought I'd play something I thought was too aggressive, but this apocalypse bridge might be too much. Gonna tweak a bit, but I'm curious what an A-pig would do for this guitar cause it seems to lack a little low end. Very very tight midrange focused tone.

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Very nice!!

Yours is pretty light colored, with a lot of figuring. I like it. I actually went to GC today, and saw the green one, and charcoal one. The green one was awful. It was super dark, the outside was black and not blue, and there was hardly any figuring, other than one spot where it looked like someone sneezed on it. The neck felt rough, and one of the knobs was falling off. I wasn't impressed.

I thought the charcoal one was awesome looking though. It had a lot of figuring, and felt smooth, and overall just felt higher quality compared to the green one. I decided to grab it while I was there. I added a couple of crappy pictures.

Yes, definitely an aggressive mid focused tone. The neck is tiny, and seems thinner than my Banshee. Plays very fast. I am working on new strings, and adjusting it to my preferences.


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So fuckin GREEEEEEEN dood.......really dig it. I like this headstock a lot too, much more aesthetically pleasing than a lot of their other offerings.

Good score, HNGD!


The headstock is cooler in person. It is actually beveled on the top of it, so there is more 3D depth to it than it looks in pictures, and matches the contours of the body well. I am not sure if you can see it here, but it looks nice in person.


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Very nice!!

Yours is pretty light colored, with a lot of figuring. I like it. I actually went to GC today, and saw the green one, and charcoal one. The green one was awful. It was super dark, the outside was black and not blue, and there was hardly any figuring, other than one spot where it looked like someone sneezed on it. The neck felt rough, and one of the knobs was falling off. I wasn't impressed.

I thought the charcoal one was awesome looking though. It had a lot of figuring, and felt smooth, and overall just felt higher quality compared to the green one. I decided to grab it while I was there. I added a couple of crappy pictures.

Yes, definitely an aggressive mid focused tone. The neck is tiny, and seems thinner than my Banshee. Plays very fast. I am working on new strings, and adjusting it to my preferences.


Very Nice!

I agree, tiny is how I'd describe the neck.

I honestly expected I'd box it back up shortly after unpacking it, but to my surprise it's a pretty damn good guitar; especially for $599 ;) Shit, IMO this would be a great guitar even for $1300-$1400. I usually absolutely hate bound fretboards, but this one is actually really really nice; bound with wood not plastic :thumbsup: The fretwork is impressive, and the neck pocket/bolt system seems super tight and stable. It's really cool that it came with a tusk nut and not the typical cheapo plastic. The bridge seems pretty solid too.

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Congrats! I’ve had some Basses with wenge fretboards and was very impressed with the feel of it. Nice to see it showing up in guitars too.


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Guitars from that particular Korean factory are all very good: Schecter, PRS SE, ESP LTD, Chapman, Agile, and others like the legendary Tokai S-types. They have quite a history with some excellent craftspeople. My ~$300 Agile ST-625EB could easily go for 2~3x what I paid -- all solid woods, parts and fret work.

Wenge is an excellent neck or FB wood with a tone like Ebony and smooth feel. The only thing about it is it tends to smell literally like crap as it absorbs sweat. I'd take a preventative measure to seal it right away. I'd try Tung Oil or similar, and clean it every string change with something like Murphy's Oil Soap or Howard Feed-N-Wax. I use the later on my porous necks and FB's. It only takes a few minutes, but you may need a small brush to get inside the large pores. Could be messy, but might be worth it. The orange oil penetrates and cleans, while the beeswax seals and leaves a velvety feel that doesn't get tacky due to the orange oil keeping it viscous.

I don't know what an A-Pig is, but the result of all those hard & dense woods, thick Stainless saddles, and high Inductance Fe core pickups makes for a midrangy guitar. If splitting the pickups to parallel mode doesn't do it for you, you could try wiring a ~$35 Wilde 'Q-Filter' onto a P/P pot. The passive LCR circuit functions as a tone knob above ~5, but dips the midrange and increases the peak freq without affecting bass as you turn the knob down below ~5 -- especially useful for high inductance pickups. I love mine. I'd consider replacing split mode with it.


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Guitars from that particular Korean factory are all very good: Schecter, PRS SE, ESP LTD, Chapman, Agile, and others like the legendary Tokai S-types. They have quite a history with some excellent craftspeople. My ~$300 Agile ST-625EB could easily go for 2~3x what I paid -- all solid woods, parts and fret work.


Yes, WMI (World Music Instruments) in South Korea makes excellent guitars. I have always had good luck with guitars from that factory.

This guitar was made in Indonesia, but I think WMI opened their own factory down there, so they seem to be better quality than past MII guitars. All my WMI guitars have a serial number that starts with W, and this guitar starts with IW, so I am thinking that means the Indo WMI factory.....


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Guitars from that particular Korean factory are all very good: Schecter, PRS SE, ESP LTD, Chapman, Agile, and others like the legendary Tokai S-types. They have quite a history with some excellent craftspeople. My ~$300 Agile ST-625EB could easily go for 2~3x what I paid -- all solid woods, parts and fret work.

Wenge is an excellent neck or FB wood with a tone like Ebony and smooth feel. The only thing about it is it tends to smell literally like crap as it absorbs sweat. I'd take a preventative measure to seal it right away. I'd try Tung Oil or similar, and clean it every string change with something like Murphy's Oil Soap or Howard Feed-N-Wax. I use the later on my porous necks and FB's. It only takes a few minutes, but you may need a small brush to get inside the large pores. Could be messy, but might be worth it. The orange oil penetrates and cleans, while the beeswax seals and leaves a velvety feel that doesn't get tacky due to the orange oil keeping it viscous.

I don't know what an A-Pig is, but the result of all those hard & dense woods, thick Stainless saddles, and high Inductance Fe core pickups makes for a midrangy guitar. If splitting the pickups to parallel mode doesn't do it for you, you could try wiring a ~$35 Wilde 'Q-Filter' onto a P/P pot. The passive LCR circuit functions as a tone knob above ~5, but dips the midrange and increases the peak freq without affecting bass as you turn the knob down below ~5 -- especially useful for high inductance pickups. I love mine. I'd consider replacing split mode with it.


This guitar was not made in Korea but was made in Indonesia. That is the main reason I completely expected it to be utter junk when I opened the box. I've played quite a few low-mid level guitars these last couple years and Agree that many of those that were made in Korea have felt like fairly solid guitars. The Indo made guitars I've played however have left a lot to be desired in quality and fit to finish. This one must have been made on a Wednesday not a Friday :lol: :LOL: Either that or whatever factory they're using has better craftsman than all the other Indo P.O.S. guitars I've tried.

Shit, guitars seem to be just luck of the draw in my experience regardless of price tag and builder. I just returned a Mayones that had pretty shoty fit to finish.

Interesting tid bit regarding the wenge, good to know.

The A-pig is Bare Knuckle's alnico warpig pickup known for it's thick & relatively warmer midrange. Still ultra aggressive but thick with somewhat subdued highs. I'm thinking that would beef up the low end of this guitar and thicken it up. It's not that I dislike the hyper aggressive midrange and brightness, but that it lacks balance with the lows. Just needs more beef to balance it out.

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Very nice!!

Yours is pretty light colored, with a lot of figuring. I like it. I actually went to GC today, and saw the green one, and charcoal one. The green one was awful. It was super dark, the outside was black and not blue, and there was hardly any figuring, other than one spot where it looked like someone sneezed on it. The neck felt rough, and one of the knobs was falling off. I wasn't impressed.

I thought the charcoal one was awesome looking though. It had a lot of figuring, and felt smooth, and overall just felt higher quality compared to the green one. I decided to grab it while I was there. I added a couple of crappy pictures.

Yes, definitely an aggressive mid focused tone. The neck is tiny, and seems thinner than my Banshee. Plays very fast. I am working on new strings, and adjusting it to my preferences.


Very Nice!

I agree, tiny is how I'd describe the neck.

I honestly expected I'd box it back up shortly after unpacking it, but to my surprise it's a pretty damn good guitar; especially for $599 ;) Shit, IMO this would be a great guitar even for $1300-$1400. I usually absolutely hate bound fretboards, but this one is actually really really nice; bound with wood not plastic :thumbsup: The fretwork is impressive, and the neck pocket/bolt system seems super tight and stable. It's really cool that it came with a tusk nut and not the typical cheapo plastic. The bridge seems pretty solid too.


I spent the night and morning working on this guitar. I shimmed the neck, put on 11-49 in D tuning, Gorgomyte, Oil, Nut Sauce, loosened the truss rod a bit, and raised the pickups. This thing is a monster now. Effortless to play. Raising the pickups seemed to help them get more chunk, and not be so sizzly in the top end. They kind of remind me of a Dimarzio set in some ways. :rock:

Mine has a finish flaw or 2, but I am not worried about it. They are small, and the good massively outweighs those few spots.


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Very nice!!

Yours is pretty light colored, with a lot of figuring. I like it. I actually went to GC today, and saw the green one, and charcoal one. The green one was awful. It was super dark, the outside was black and not blue, and there was hardly any figuring, other than one spot where it looked like someone sneezed on it. The neck felt rough, and one of the knobs was falling off. I wasn't impressed.

I thought the charcoal one was awesome looking though. It had a lot of figuring, and felt smooth, and overall just felt higher quality compared to the green one. I decided to grab it while I was there. I added a couple of crappy pictures.

Yes, definitely an aggressive mid focused tone. The neck is tiny, and seems thinner than my Banshee. Plays very fast. I am working on new strings, and adjusting it to my preferences.


Very Nice!

I agree, tiny is how I'd describe the neck.

I honestly expected I'd box it back up shortly after unpacking it, but to my surprise it's a pretty damn good guitar; especially for $599 ;) Shit, IMO this would be a great guitar even for $1300-$1400. I usually absolutely hate bound fretboards, but this one is actually really really nice; bound with wood not plastic :thumbsup: The fretwork is impressive, and the neck pocket/bolt system seems super tight and stable. It's really cool that it came with a tusk nut and not the typical cheapo plastic. The bridge seems pretty solid too.


I spent the night and morning working on this guitar. I shimmed the neck, put on 11-49 in D tuning, Gorgomyte, Oil, Nut Sauce, loosened the truss rod a bit, and raised the pickups. This thing is a monster now. Effortless to play. Raising the pickups seemed to help them get more chunk, and not be so sizzly in the top end. They kind of remind me of a Dimarzio set in some ways. :rock:

Mine has a finish flaw or 2, but I am not worried about it. They are small, and the good massively outweighs those few spots.



Nice :thumbsup: Yeah I'm thinking I'll throw a .11-.50 set on there and tweak the setup, and it'll make an already good sounding guitar even better. I'll eventually swap the bridge pup for a DD, PK, and I might even try the MM I have in my other guitar, but I still think if this guitar sticks around long enough that I'll grab either a C-pig or and A-pig for it.

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Great looking finish color. Cool looking axe.

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those look like cool guitars. The pics on the web make the green one look kinda like a peacock but yours looks cool! :rock:


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Great looking finish color. Cool looking axe.

Thanks! Would be a 10 out of 10 if they would have went one step further and did stainless frets on these. I gladly would have coughed up a few hundred bucks more. I checked with my local luthier, and he said he could throw some EVO or stainless frets on it for about $300-400 which I think I'd eventually do if this sticks around. I know I keep saying it, but this particular guitar really surprised me with how good it is.

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those look like cool guitars. The pics on the web make the green one look kinda like a peacock but yours looks cool! :rock:
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Going up a gauge of the same type of strings isn't the best solution for softening the attack of a "hard" sounding guitar. The higher freq, sharper longitudinal wave of the tighter strings can actually make the attack sound more harsh. I tried 11-50 (from 10-46) on one bright guitar and the attack was even "harder". You'd have to tune down to bring it back down.

As someone else said, try raising the pickups with the pole pieces set below the bobbin top on the low E and plain strings. That will increase the fundamental to upper harmonics power per note for a warmer sound. If it's still too middy and bright, try a set of Sfarzo 'V-Strings' in your normal gauge. They are a special Ni/Fe alloy with a high wrap to core ratio for increased slinkiness. That combination gives them stronger fundamentals than most strings and a smoother attack without sounding dull or weak like some pure Ni wraps. The plain strings feel slinky as well -- possibly from an "annealing" process used on the Swedish Steel. Too much flexibility would of course make strings sound dull. I'd describe the V-Strings as warm, fat and clear. You might then want to lower the pickups again to reduce the fundamental warmth and attack strength for the balance you want. It may take some experimentation, but a lot cheaper than a new Bare Knuckle pickup.


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Going up a gauge of the same type of strings isn't the best solution for softening the attack of a "hard" sounding guitar. The higher freq, sharper longitudinal wave of the tighter strings can actually make the attack sound more harsh. I tried 11-50 (from 10-46) on one bright guitar and the attack was even "harder". You'd have to tune down to bring it back down.

As someone else said, try raising the pickups with the pole pieces set below the bobbin top on the low E and plain strings. That will increase the fundamental to upper harmonics power per note for a warmer sound. If it's still too middy and bright, try a set of Sfarzo 'V-Strings' in your normal gauge. They are a special Ni/Fe alloy with a high wrap to core ratio for increased slinkiness. That combination gives them stronger fundamentals than most strings and a smoother attack without sounding dull or weak like some pure Ni wraps. The plain strings feel slinky as well -- possibly from an "annealing" process used on the Swedish Steel. Too much flexibility would of course make strings sound dull. I'd describe the V-Strings as warm, fat and clear. You might then want to lower the pickups again to reduce the fundamental warmth and attack strength for the balance you want. It may take some experimentation, but a lot cheaper than a new Bare Knuckle pickup.


Thanks for the info for sure, that's a lot of detail :thumbsup: But I think maybe I made it seem like I don't like that type of tone when in fact it's right up my alley. I actually prefer a very sharp attack, especially on the low strings, and I do tune down. Typically I play in drop C but just haven't got to set this guitar up for that yet. With the stock strings (Probably .10-.42 I'm assuming) tuned to drop D it sounds ok, but I usually use .11-.52 or .11-.50 and really like those gauges for the tunings I play in for the added beef and grunt they lend to the tone.

I've played with the height a bunch on the stock pup (bridge, I don't play neck pups often), and it's just too thin/lean on the lows I think for my taste. Could be I just need to get the heavier strings on there, so I wont right off the Apocalypse yet. The mids and overall voicing is cool, but it's just too unbalanced for me; needs more low end to balance it out. I typically always prefer my bridge height set very low on high out put bridge pups, and I prefer high output pups as opposed to low output pups.

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Ya know guitar pickups don't actually have "bass" response in the technical sense. It's really a mater of fundamental harmonic strength per note. Higher wound pickups actually have less fundamental strength for the given output, as more of the coil is further away from the strings and picks up a greater ratio of lower strength string harmonics -- it's complicated. Lotta times what seems like more bass is really more lower-mids. The way to get stronger fundamentals is to have the majority of the total coil closer to the magnetized portion of the string. Thinner coil wire will do that, along with opening up the high end a bit due to the lower Q-factor. That's especially helpful in the bridge pos where the string fundamentals are rolled off the most.

For ~1/2 the cost of a BK pickup, you can get an 8H Wilde Twin Blade series 'L90' wound with with ~44AWG wire. First introduced in the mid 70's, the wide-spaced Stainless blades don't have inter-coil cancellations or the high end roll off of PAF-type Fe core pickups. The sound is warm, full, clear and detailed. The clear strong fundamentals give the strings more punch, and keep notes from farting out with distortion. The rectangular casing is a bit different, but the thin wire coil is also more sensitive to height changes. If not a Wilde L90, I'd get something like it wound with thin coil wire. Wilde even makes ~46AWG wire SC-type pickups with special alloy adjustable pole screws and a "moderated" Neodymium magnetic circuit. I have those. They are the most punchy, warmest, fullest and quietest "true" SC's on the market.


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:confused: Way above my head man :lol: :LOL: I just know I need a bridge pup with more meat in the lows/low mids. I like BK pups, and I rarely buy new, so price isn't that big a deal for me. I'll probably be looking for an A-pig and maybe a C-pig too just to try both. I'm probably gonna pull the MM out of my Carvin and try that first though because it's full of lows/low mids.

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Shit, guitars seem to be just luck of the draw in my experience regardless of price tag and builder. I just returned a Mayones that had pretty shoty fit to finish.


What was wrong with your Mayo?
Was yours an older model, Did you buy it used?
I’ve only Played two mayo’s, cause I’m left handed. But I could not find a flaw on them. One of the best guitars I’ve put my hands on.
They were both 2017’s though. I’ve heard the older ones had some “things” before they got everything figured out.

Funny about this thread, I read it because I’ve been eyeing an ESP LTD ec-metal.
It’s Indonesia, and that’s what scared me.
But the new ESP LTD Metal series has gotten rave reviews, so I may just give it a whirl and gamble on it.
Congrats on the new guitar day!

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Shit, guitars seem to be just luck of the draw in my experience regardless of price tag and builder. I just returned a Mayones that had pretty shoty fit to finish.


What was wrong with your Mayo?
Was yours an older model, Did you buy it used?
I’ve only Played two mayo’s, cause I’m left handed. But I could not find a flaw on them. One of the best guitars I’ve put my hands on.
They were both 2017’s though. I’ve heard the older ones had some “things” before they got everything figured out.

Funny about this thread, I read it because I’ve been eyeing an ESP LTD ec-metal.
It’s Indonesia, and that’s what scared me.
But the new ESP LTD Metal series has gotten rave reviews, so I may just give it a whirl and gamble on it.
Congrats on the new guitar day!


I played one of those flat black, LTD M series, one pickup metal guitars last weekend when I was trying guitars. Overall, it seemed solid, and nothing stood out to me. Seemed like a nice guitar. I just didn't love the neck. It was thicker than the Schecter, and had more shoulders.... it was more U or D shaped. The round shoulders and flat back made it feel wider and thicker than it probably was. It was like a thicker Jackson style neck, which I don't really like.

It seems like Indo guitars have gotten better over the last few years, especially if they are the new Indo WMI factory. I don't think they are quite as good as MIK, but they also tend to be around $700 instead of $1300.


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:rock: looks awesome. Got all the right specs for me too. I guess I should go check one of those out.

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Shit, guitars seem to be just luck of the draw in my experience regardless of price tag and builder. I just returned a Mayones that had pretty shoty fit to finish.


What was wrong with your Mayo?
Was yours an older model, Did you buy it used?
I’ve only Played two mayo’s, cause I’m left handed. But I could not find a flaw on them. One of the best guitars I’ve put my hands on.
They were both 2017’s though. I’ve heard the older ones had some “things” before they got everything figured out.

Funny about this thread, I read it because I’ve been eyeing an ESP LTD ec-metal.
It’s Indonesia, and that’s what scared me.
But the new ESP LTD Metal series has gotten rave reviews, so I may just give it a whirl and gamble on it.
Congrats on the new guitar day!


Thanks Man! Yeah the Indo thing REALLY turned me off, still does TBH, but for the price and nice return policy I figured what the hell. It's a hell of a good guitar for the $. I played a bunch of low-mid level guitars the last couple years and there was not one I'd be willing to spend even $300 on. They were all absolute junk, with the exception of an indo made Ibanez Premium. That was a really nice guitar, but I sent it back due to several of the tuning peg mounting screws being screwed in crooked and backed out halfway and the tuners lifting off the back of the neck. Not for me when the guitar costs $1400.

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:rock: looks awesome. Got all the right specs for me too. I guess I should go check one of those out.


Like I just mentioned above, this guitar is worth every penny I paid and then some. Fit to finish is near 98% perfect on this one, feature set is killer, and it plays really well. May be pure luck that a guitar this cheap showed up this good :confused: I wish it had stainless frets and locking tuners, but both of those can be added down the road. Thing stays in tune really well with the stock tuners, bridge, and that tusk nut, and I was really wailing on it last night. I can see putting some coin into this one and upgrading the frets and tuners down the road. It's a really nice guitar.

I'm really starting to like the neck profile a lot. When I pick my Carvin back up, and that has the thinner neck profile option I think, it feels like a baseball bat compared to this Schecter neck. Never thought I'd like such a small neck, but it's really really comfortable.

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Shit, guitars seem to be just luck of the draw in my experience regardless of price tag and builder. I just returned a Mayones that had pretty shoty fit to finish.


What was wrong with your Mayo?
Was yours an older model, Did you buy it used?
I’ve only Played two mayo’s, cause I’m left handed. But I could not find a flaw on them. One of the best guitars I’ve put my hands on.
They were both 2017’s though. I’ve heard the older ones had some “things” before they got everything figured out.

Funny about this thread, I read it because I’ve been eyeing an ESP LTD ec-metal.
It’s Indonesia, and that’s what scared me.
But the new ESP LTD Metal series has gotten rave reviews, so I may just give it a whirl and gamble on it.
Congrats on the new guitar day!


I played one of those flat black, LTD M series, one pickup metal guitars last weekend when I was trying guitars. Overall, it seemed solid, and nothing stood out to me. Seemed like a nice guitar. I just didn't love the neck. It was thicker than the Schecter, and had more shoulders.... it was more U or D shaped. The round shoulders and flat back made it feel wider and thicker than it probably was. It was like a thicker Jackson style neck, which I don't really like.

It seems like Indo guitars have gotten better over the last few years, especially if they are the new Indo WMI factory. I don't think they are quite as good as MIK, but they also tend to be around $700 instead of $1300.


Yeah ESP/LTD markets it as thin U shaped. It def a littler heftier but, I like it in my esp honestly. I don’t mind a thicker neck though. Just not baseball bat sized super thick. :doh:
I need to try one of these newer schecters also. The reapers look cool, looks like they don’t make this one lefty.

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Shit, guitars seem to be just luck of the draw in my experience regardless of price tag and builder. I just returned a Mayones that had pretty shoty fit to finish.


What was wrong with your Mayo?
Was yours an older model, Did you buy it used?
I’ve only Played two mayo’s, cause I’m left handed. But I could not find a flaw on them. One of the best guitars I’ve put my hands on.
They were both 2017’s though. I’ve heard the older ones had some “things” before they got everything figured out.

Funny about this thread, I read it because I’ve been eyeing an ESP LTD ec-metal.
It’s Indonesia, and that’s what scared me.
But the new ESP LTD Metal series has gotten rave reviews, so I may just give it a whirl and gamble on it.
Congrats on the new guitar day!


I played one of those flat black, LTD M series, one pickup metal guitars last weekend when I was trying guitars. Overall, it seemed solid, and nothing stood out to me. Seemed like a nice guitar. I just didn't love the neck. It was thicker than the Schecter, and had more shoulders.... it was more U or D shaped. The round shoulders and flat back made it feel wider and thicker than it probably was. It was like a thicker Jackson style neck, which I don't really like.

It seems like Indo guitars have gotten better over the last few years, especially if they are the new Indo WMI factory. I don't think they are quite as good as MIK, but they also tend to be around $700 instead of $1300.


Yeah ESP/LTD markets it as thin U shaped. It def a littler heftier but, I like it in my esp honestly. I don’t mind a thicker neck though. Just not baseball bat sized super thick. :doh:
I need to try one of these newer schecters also. The reapers look cool, looks like they don’t make this one lefty.


I don't mind thicker necks, but I cannot do the D shaped necks.... big shoulders with a flat back. I feel like I need finger extensions to reach the top string on those, which makes my wrist hurt. I liked the Thin U necks on the MH series in the past, but the M series has the extra flat thin U, which is just too much D. Schecter and PRS are my favorite guitars at the moment. Both are fairly round, and C shaped. The Schecter is very narrow.

Yeah, I thought about one of these or a Reaper. The Reaper is not coming out until January though. I love this CR-6 so much, I might grab a Reaper also, and just have both. I love the neck. I have small hands and fingers, and this is one of the only guitars I feel like a giant on.... like I could reach 1 or 2 more strings beyond the top string.


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:confused: Way above my head man :lol: :LOL: I just know I need a bridge pup with more meat in the lows/low mids. I like BK pups, and I rarely buy new, so price isn't that big a deal for me. I'll probably be looking for an A-pig and maybe a C-pig too just to try both. I'm probably gonna pull the MM out of my Carvin and try that first though because it's full of lows/low mids.


Sometimes light weight bodies can absorb too much low end. I had a very light alder S-type with that problem. It's just the luck of the draw with wood. It could be a grain weakness right at the neck joint. If the body is the issue, you might be able to remedy that by adding mass on the back between the neck and bridge, but that could be a major hassle.

First try the neck tension trick of loosening the neck pocket screws a ~1/2 turn with the strings at tension, and then tightening them back up. That can rigidify the neck body structure by jamming the neck heel into the rear of the pocket. If that doesn't do it my simple neck pocket mod might make a difference by decoupling the neck and body surface contact while increasing joint rigidity. It might not make much difference, but it increased bass punch and high end extension on the two guitars on which I've tried it: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... sp=sharing

You could just try some Stainless Steel washers around the pocket screws. My experience with that is it increases punch and high end, but also adds a more metallic quality you may or may not like. Surprising, but the material really does make a tonal difference.

The guitar cable can also make a lot of difference in the high end character. A low C (Capacitance) cable will reduce the upper-mid peak and extend the high end out. It might do the trick for you with the stock pickups, but you'll need a very low C cable to make a significant difference with a typical high inductance pickup. As an experiment, order a cheap 6' Rapco 'G1' series cable and see what you think. At ~160pF (25pF/foot + 10pF for the plugs), it's about ~1/3 the C of a typical 12' store brand cable:
https://www.amazon.com/RapcoHorizon-G1- ... B003B15NTS

If a new pickup doesn't do it for you, I'd serious consider a Q-Filter. If the bass range still isn't strong enough with a BN pickup, I'd try that 8H L90. The L90 may well still have the strongest fundamentals of any HB pickup.


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Shit, guitars seem to be just luck of the draw in my experience regardless of price tag and builder. I just returned a Mayones that had pretty shoty fit to finish.


What was wrong with your Mayo?
Was yours an older model, Did you buy it used?
I’ve only Played two mayo’s, cause I’m left handed. But I could not find a flaw on them. One of the best guitars I’ve put my hands on.
They were both 2017’s though. I’ve heard the older ones had some “things” before they got everything figured out.

Funny about this thread, I read it because I’ve been eyeing an ESP LTD ec-metal.
It’s Indonesia, and that’s what scared me.
But the new ESP LTD Metal series has gotten rave reviews, so I may just give it a whirl and gamble on it.
Congrats on the new guitar day!


I played one of those flat black, LTD M series, one pickup metal guitars last weekend when I was trying guitars. Overall, it seemed solid, and nothing stood out to me. Seemed like a nice guitar. I just didn't love the neck. It was thicker than the Schecter, and had more shoulders.... it was more U or D shaped. The round shoulders and flat back made it feel wider and thicker than it probably was. It was like a thicker Jackson style neck, which I don't really like.

It seems like Indo guitars have gotten better over the last few years, especially if they are the new Indo WMI factory. I don't think they are quite as good as MIK, but they also tend to be around $700 instead of $1300.


Yeah ESP/LTD markets it as thin U shaped. It def a littler heftier but, I like it in my esp honestly. I don’t mind a thicker neck though. Just not baseball bat sized super thick. :doh:
I need to try one of these newer schecters also. The reapers look cool, looks like they don’t make this one lefty.


I don't mind thicker necks, but I cannot do the D shaped necks.... big shoulders with a flat back. I feel like I need finger extensions to reach the top string on those, which makes my wrist hurt. I liked the Thin U necks on the MH series in the past, but the M series has the extra flat thin U, which is just too much D. Schecter and PRS are my favorite guitars at the moment. Both are fairly round, and C shaped. The Schecter is very narrow.

Yeah, I thought about one of these or a Reaper. The Reaper is not coming out until January though. I love this CR-6 so much, I might grab a Reaper also, and just have both. I love the neck. I have small hands and fingers, and this is one of the only guitars I feel like a giant on.... like I could reach 1 or 2 more strings beyond the top string.


I just caught that on the m series, that it’s the extra thin U. I’m looking st the EC (les Paul styles) which has the thin U, which is what I’m used to in ESP (like my Horizon II). I get what your saying.
Didn’t realize the reaper wasn’t coming out till then. I may have to wait and try one.
I need a beater guitar I can kinda toss around but plays nice too.

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Shit, guitars seem to be just luck of the draw in my experience regardless of price tag and builder. I just returned a Mayones that had pretty shoty fit to finish.


What was wrong with your Mayo?
Was yours an older model, Did you buy it used?
I’ve only Played two mayo’s, cause I’m left handed. But I could not find a flaw on them. One of the best guitars I’ve put my hands on.
They were both 2017’s though. I’ve heard the older ones had some “things” before they got everything figured out.

Funny about this thread, I read it because I’ve been eyeing an ESP LTD ec-metal.
It’s Indonesia, and that’s what scared me.
But the new ESP LTD Metal series has gotten rave reviews, so I may just give it a whirl and gamble on it.
Congrats on the new guitar day!


I played one of those flat black, LTD M series, one pickup metal guitars last weekend when I was trying guitars. Overall, it seemed solid, and nothing stood out to me. Seemed like a nice guitar. I just didn't love the neck. It was thicker than the Schecter, and had more shoulders.... it was more U or D shaped. The round shoulders and flat back made it feel wider and thicker than it probably was. It was like a thicker Jackson style neck, which I don't really like.

It seems like Indo guitars have gotten better over the last few years, especially if they are the new Indo WMI factory. I don't think they are quite as good as MIK, but they also tend to be around $700 instead of $1300.


Yeah ESP/LTD markets it as thin U shaped. It def a littler heftier but, I like it in my esp honestly. I don’t mind a thicker neck though. Just not baseball bat sized super thick. :doh:
I need to try one of these newer schecters also. The reapers look cool, looks like they don’t make this one lefty.


I don't mind thicker necks, but I cannot do the D shaped necks.... big shoulders with a flat back. I feel like I need finger extensions to reach the top string on those, which makes my wrist hurt. I liked the Thin U necks on the MH series in the past, but the M series has the extra flat thin U, which is just too much D. Schecter and PRS are my favorite guitars at the moment. Both are fairly round, and C shaped. The Schecter is very narrow.

Yeah, I thought about one of these or a Reaper. The Reaper is not coming out until January though. I love this CR-6 so much, I might grab a Reaper also, and just have both. I love the neck. I have small hands and fingers, and this is one of the only guitars I feel like a giant on.... like I could reach 1 or 2 more strings beyond the top string.


I just caught that on the m series, that it’s the extra thin U. I’m looking st the EC (les Paul styles) which has the thin U, which is what I’m used to in ESP (like my Horizon II). I get what your saying.
Didn’t realize the reaper wasn’t coming out till then. I may have to wait and try one.
I need a beater guitar I can kinda toss around but plays nice too.


If the Reaper quality is anything like this CR-6, it might be just the ticket for what your after. Doesn't put a guy out a lot of $$$, but plays and sounds really really good.

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Shit, guitars seem to be just luck of the draw in my experience regardless of price tag and builder. I just returned a Mayones that had pretty shoty fit to finish.


What was wrong with your Mayo?
Was yours an older model, Did you buy it used?
I’ve only Played two mayo’s, cause I’m left handed. But I could not find a flaw on them. One of the best guitars I’ve put my hands on.
They were both 2017’s though. I’ve heard the older ones had some “things” before they got everything figured out.

Funny about this thread, I read it because I’ve been eyeing an ESP LTD ec-metal.
It’s Indonesia, and that’s what scared me.
But the new ESP LTD Metal series has gotten rave reviews, so I may just give it a whirl and gamble on it.
Congrats on the new guitar day!


I played one of those flat black, LTD M series, one pickup metal guitars last weekend when I was trying guitars. Overall, it seemed solid, and nothing stood out to me. Seemed like a nice guitar. I just didn't love the neck. It was thicker than the Schecter, and had more shoulders.... it was more U or D shaped. The round shoulders and flat back made it feel wider and thicker than it probably was. It was like a thicker Jackson style neck, which I don't really like.

It seems like Indo guitars have gotten better over the last few years, especially if they are the new Indo WMI factory. I don't think they are quite as good as MIK, but they also tend to be around $700 instead of $1300.


Yeah ESP/LTD markets it as thin U shaped. It def a littler heftier but, I like it in my esp honestly. I don’t mind a thicker neck though. Just not baseball bat sized super thick. :doh:
I need to try one of these newer schecters also. The reapers look cool, looks like they don’t make this one lefty.


I don't mind thicker necks, but I cannot do the D shaped necks.... big shoulders with a flat back. I feel like I need finger extensions to reach the top string on those, which makes my wrist hurt. I liked the Thin U necks on the MH series in the past, but the M series has the extra flat thin U, which is just too much D. Schecter and PRS are my favorite guitars at the moment. Both are fairly round, and C shaped. The Schecter is very narrow.

Yeah, I thought about one of these or a Reaper. The Reaper is not coming out until January though. I love this CR-6 so much, I might grab a Reaper also, and just have both. I love the neck. I have small hands and fingers, and this is one of the only guitars I feel like a giant on.... like I could reach 1 or 2 more strings beyond the top string.


I just caught that on the m series, that it’s the extra thin U. I’m looking st the EC (les Paul styles) which has the thin U, which is what I’m used to in ESP (like my Horizon II). I get what your saying.
Didn’t realize the reaper wasn’t coming out till then. I may have to wait and try one.
I need a beater guitar I can kinda toss around but plays nice too.


I used to love the MH series guitars, but then the archtop really started to bug me. My forearm digs into these guitars, so I have not wanted any more with that general shape.

Yeah, I was debating between grabbing a CR-6 (especially with the 15% off coupon they had this week), or waiting for a Reaper in January. I was going to wait because I have been wanting bevels, but this CR-6 impressed me so much I had to grab it. I can definitely see buying a Reaper also next year. I like the neck enough to have both. I also have an old Banshee, with the same neck, although I swear it feels slightly thicker. I think the CR-6 and Reaper will feel different enough to have both. The CR-6 reminds me of playing an Ibanez S series in some ways. It is not as thin, but definitely has that thin, light, contoured thing going on.


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Shit, guitars seem to be just luck of the draw in my experience regardless of price tag and builder. I just returned a Mayones that had pretty shoty fit to finish.


What was wrong with your Mayo?
Was yours an older model, Did you buy it used?
I’ve only Played two mayo’s, cause I’m left handed. But I could not find a flaw on them. One of the best guitars I’ve put my hands on.
They were both 2017’s though. I’ve heard the older ones had some “things” before they got everything figured out.

Funny about this thread, I read it because I’ve been eyeing an ESP LTD ec-metal.
It’s Indonesia, and that’s what scared me.
But the new ESP LTD Metal series has gotten rave reviews, so I may just give it a whirl and gamble on it.
Congrats on the new guitar day!


I played one of those flat black, LTD M series, one pickup metal guitars last weekend when I was trying guitars. Overall, it seemed solid, and nothing stood out to me. Seemed like a nice guitar. I just didn't love the neck. It was thicker than the Schecter, and had more shoulders.... it was more U or D shaped. The round shoulders and flat back made it feel wider and thicker than it probably was. It was like a thicker Jackson style neck, which I don't really like.

It seems like Indo guitars have gotten better over the last few years, especially if they are the new Indo WMI factory. I don't think they are quite as good as MIK, but they also tend to be around $700 instead of $1300.


Yeah ESP/LTD markets it as thin U shaped. It def a littler heftier but, I like it in my esp honestly. I don’t mind a thicker neck though. Just not baseball bat sized super thick. :doh:
I need to try one of these newer schecters also. The reapers look cool, looks like they don’t make this one lefty.


I don't mind thicker necks, but I cannot do the D shaped necks.... big shoulders with a flat back. I feel like I need finger extensions to reach the top string on those, which makes my wrist hurt. I liked the Thin U necks on the MH series in the past, but the M series has the extra flat thin U, which is just too much D. Schecter and PRS are my favorite guitars at the moment. Both are fairly round, and C shaped. The Schecter is very narrow.

Yeah, I thought about one of these or a Reaper. The Reaper is not coming out until January though. I love this CR-6 so much, I might grab a Reaper also, and just have both. I love the neck. I have small hands and fingers, and this is one of the only guitars I feel like a giant on.... like I could reach 1 or 2 more strings beyond the top string.


I just caught that on the m series, that it’s the extra thin U. I’m looking st the EC (les Paul styles) which has the thin U, which is what I’m used to in ESP (like my Horizon II). I get what your saying.
Didn’t realize the reaper wasn’t coming out till then. I may have to wait and try one.
I need a beater guitar I can kinda toss around but plays nice too.


If the Reaper quality is anything like this CR-6, it might be just the ticket for what your after. Doesn't put a guy out a lot of $$$, but plays and sounds really really good.


The Reaper should be almost identical, with a few small differences... ash body instead of mahogany, ebony fretboard instead of wenge, set neck instead of bolt, and bevels instead of contours. Both MII, same specs, etc....


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Shask wrote:
Very nice!!

Yours is pretty light colored, with a lot of figuring. I like it. I actually went to GC today, and saw the green one, and charcoal one. The green one was awful. It was super dark, the outside was black and not blue, and there was hardly any figuring, other than one spot where it looked like someone sneezed on it. The neck felt rough, and one of the knobs was falling off. I wasn't impressed.

I thought the charcoal one was awesome looking though. It had a lot of figuring, and felt smooth, and overall just felt higher quality compared to the green one. I decided to grab it while I was there. I added a couple of crappy pictures.

Yes, definitely an aggressive mid focused tone. The neck is tiny, and seems thinner than my Banshee. Plays very fast. I am working on new strings, and adjusting it to my preferences.


Noice!! :thumbsup:


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