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From Randall Aiken's tech pages (www.aikenamps.com/index.php/technical-q-a):


Q: Why is it, when discussing circuits in internet forums, that people with no technical background always seem to claim that they can hear so much better than someone with an electronics background? :)

A: That's the "golden ears" strategy, a time-honored internet arguing technique used with limited success by those who are usually "technically challenged", i.e. "internet armchair engineers", who cannot produce supporting data to back up their side of the argument. These people tend to rely heavily on tenuous, unprovable concepts, such as "magic" and "luck"to describe circuits, rather than anything concrete, like mathematics, scope plots, or plain old reason and common-sense.

The laws of "golden ears" are a bit complex. Here they are, at least as far as I have been able to ascertain:

(1) "You are not allowed to make any mention of golden ears until you are losing an argument and have no way to save face."

(2) "He who first proclaims to have golden ears is the only one in the argument who can truly have golden ears." The opponent, therefore, must, by the rules, have tin ears, since there can only be one golden-eared person per argument. Now, everyone else on the board may have golden ears, but only if they choose not to perform the test in question that may disprove the theory. These people may be brought up as often as possible, until that point where they actually perform said test and obtain results not in accordance with the original golden-eared proponent's position.

(3) "Golden ears can only exist on a person who has no formal education in the subject matter." The minute a person receives an engineering degree, his ears automatically turn to tin, and he cannot be trusted with even the simplest test of tone or frequency response, no matter how long he or she has been in the field of interest.

(4) "Once you have proclaimed golden-ear status, you can no longer answer any questions, nor put forth anything of a technical nature, because you may slip up and show that you really have no clue as to what you are talking about." At this point, your golden ears have become tarnished, and everyone will see the emperor has no clothes, so this situation should be avoided at all costs. Should this happen, you have no choice but to either slink away and hope nobody notices and soon forgets about you, or loudly proclaim victory in the vain hope that someone will believe you.

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I used to have golden ears when I was young.

Now they are tin.

Man,I miss the 80s.

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I only can hear weird mids. That is it.

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I know right?
That bastard Hilligan is always bragging bout
His golden ears. Look at his avatar!!

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Honestly from my experience the people who claim they have engineering degrees and talk about how they have tone all figured out are the ones that are tone deaf. The high school drop out musicians to me have always had the best ears for tone. YMMV.

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EXPcustom wrote:
Honestly from my experience the people who claim they have engineering degrees and talk about how they have tone all figured out are the ones that are tone deaf. The high school drop out musicians to me have always had the best ears for tone. YMMV.


:thumbsup:

I have Diamond/Platinum ears. :D

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psychodave wrote:
EXPcustom wrote:
Honestly from my experience the people who claim they have engineering degrees and talk about how they have tone all figured out are the ones that are tone deaf. The high school drop out musicians to me have always had the best ears for tone. YMMV.


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I have Diamond/Platinum ears. :D

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Some with all the electrical experience in the world cannot make an amp sound good. Then there are some who have talent and can manifest the tone and feel in their head into a circuit. Not everyone is Rembrandt.

The amp can be electrically perfect and still sound like crap. It's really not too difficult to modify an old Marshall into a stable high gain circuit. After all tube technology really isn't rocket science and is antique. Most of the circuit, if not all, has tolerances. As long as your within these ranges, it will be fine from an electrical standpoint. :student:

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Lol this is hilarious, good read.

I do believe in golden ears. I am aware that after years of abuse I have probably lost some high end hearing but I will say that I can absolutely hear many things now after almost 25 years of playing that others cannot or that I could not years ago.

I know absolutely nothing about circuits. I don't even like to Bias my own amps but I do feel that someone who knows everything but never played a lot of music probably won't have the ears that a musician would have.

Now if you are an amazing and well experienced player AND you know everything about circuitry, that is probably a dangerous combo.

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I primarily listen to and play that god awful shitttin death/thrash metal, so my ears are "shit ears", and my opinion is always null & void in regards to what qualifies as good tone :D

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MetalHeadMike wrote:
I primarily listen to and play that god awful shitttin death/thrash metal, so my ears are "shit ears", and my opinion is always null & void in regards to what qualifies as good tone :D


Actually that makes your ears significantly more golden. We are talking 24k vs these 10k plebs. ;)

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maddnotez wrote:
MetalHeadMike wrote:
I primarily listen to and play that god awful shitttin death/thrash metal, so my ears are "shit ears", and my opinion is always null & void in regards to what qualifies as good tone :D


Actually that makes your ears significantly more golden. We are talking 24k vs these 10k plebs. ;)


Sweet! Man, it's turning out to be a great Friday ;)

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I earned my golden ears when I took the covers off my preamp tubes.

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