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Just ordered one as well. Very curious! :rock:

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well, got mine and I'm not too happy with it. This is supposed to be the version for floyd roses.

I don't know if I got the wrong type, but the screw is barely long enough (you only get one), and it's way too finicky to install if it is the right screw. It was literally the difference of 1 or 2 threads for it to either clear the tailpiece, or be stuck under the lip. It took several readjustments to finally find that happy medium where it moved freely. It would either get stuck in the tone vise head, or not have enough travel to lock down the string.

that's not the real problem though. Don't know if you can see from this pic:

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the tension springs for the saddle lock screw get pushed against the body when in E mode. It doesn't allow it to fully go into E. This renders it useless.

I realize this is a FR Special, so maybe the tension spring has bigger downward tabs the an OFR.

*edited for stupid heat of the moment hyperbole


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You have it installed a little too close to the whale tail, just unscrew it and back it out a turn and re-install.

Yes, the Korean made Floyds have a much different spring than the OFR, sometimes the smaller tab sticks out further. I sometimes will adjust that little tab back just a touch with some needle nose pliers.

BTW, I can send you a longer screw if you like.

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The D-tuna sucks. Glad to see something that seems better built. Had two Wolfgangs with the D-Tuna and they were a huge pain in the ass that needed constant tweaking, re-adjusting, tweaking, adjusting. Flimsy pieces of shit, if you ask me.


I had a pair of Wolfgangs. Same thing. I removed them, then I had to find a shorter string holding screw so it didn't look dumb. The d-tuna is an engineering fail IMO.

The tone vise looks like a plausable alternative. Cool!

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The D-tuna sucks. Glad to see something that seems better built. Had two Wolfgangs with the D-Tuna and they were a huge pain in the ass that needed constant tweaking, re-adjusting, tweaking, adjusting. Flimsy pieces of shit, if you ask me.


I had a pair of Wolfgangs. Same thing. I removed them, then I had to find a shorter string holding screw so it didn't look dumb. The d-tuna is an engineering fail IMO.

The tone vise looks like a plausable alternative. Cool!


I have 7 Wolfgangs, well 5 and 2 EBMM EVH. They all have a D Tuna and they all work perfectly.

I even have some on my Ibanez Edge trems and they work great.

How come you can't get one to work?


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You have it installed a little too close to the whale tail, just unscrew it and back it out a turn and re-install.

Yes, the Korean made Floyds have a much different spring than the OFR, sometimes the smaller tab sticks out further. I sometimes will adjust that little tab back just a touch with some needle nose pliers.

BTW, I can send you a longer screw if you like.


Thank you very much for standing behind your product.That means more to me than you may think.

I know I had it installed a little too close, but it's right where it barely clears the tail, and still locks the string down. I will PM you shortly.


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well, got mine and I'm not too happy with it. This is supposed to be the version for floyd roses.

I don't know if I got the wrong type, but the screw is barely long enough (you only get one), and it's way too finicky to install if it is the right screw. It was literally the difference of 1 or 2 threads for it to either clear the tailpiece, or be stuck under the lip. It took several readjustments to finally find that happy medium where it moved freely. It would either get stuck in the tone vise head, or not have enough travel to lock down the string.

that's not the real problem though. Don't know if you can see from this pic:

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the tension springs for the saddle lock screw get pushed against the body when in E mode. It doesn't allow it to fully go into E. This renders it useless.

I realize this is a FR Special, so maybe the tension spring has bigger downward tabs the an OFR.

*edited for stupid heat of the moment hyperbole


I just put one on and it works. Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe it is not supposed to go between the spring and the bottom of the fine tune screw. I have mine between the spring and the bottom of the whale tale.

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I just installed it and it appears to be working as advertised. For me, the biggest drawback is not being able to use the fine tuner in the lock (E) position. And buying one of those clamps isn’t really a solution. I’d like to see a revised version of the tone vise where the protrusion does slide between the fine tuner screw and the spring (like) the d-tuna so adjustments can be made in either mode. Just my two cents.


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Stramm8 wrote:
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well, got mine and I'm not too happy with it. This is supposed to be the version for floyd roses.

I don't know if I got the wrong type, but the screw is barely long enough (you only get one), and it's way too finicky to install if it is the right screw. It was literally the difference of 1 or 2 threads for it to either clear the tailpiece, or be stuck under the lip. It took several readjustments to finally find that happy medium where it moved freely. It would either get stuck in the tone vise head, or not have enough travel to lock down the string.

that's not the real problem though. Don't know if you can see from this pic:

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the tension springs for the saddle lock screw get pushed against the body when in E mode. It doesn't allow it to fully go into E. This renders it useless.

I realize this is a FR Special, so maybe the tension spring has bigger downward tabs the an OFR.

*edited for stupid heat of the moment hyperbole


I just put one on and it works. Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe it is not supposed to go between the spring and the bottom of the fine tune screw. I have mine between the spring and the bottom of the whale tale.



Correct, but the screw wasn't long enough to lock the string, and still protrude far enough past the tail.

Mark is an absolute straight shooter though, and is correcting this by shooting me a longer screw to accommodate that. The tension spring is on me, I will either adjust it with a pair or needle-nose pliers, or drop on a spring with shorter tabs (that I do have).

All in all, I will admit that I've never used these things (of any kind) before and I know I had some faults installing it. I do think it goes much easier on a FR with the cavity route, though. The guitar I'm putting it on is a flush mount trem (Jackson Adrian Smith sig.)


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Stramm8 wrote:
I just installed it and it appears to be working as advertised. For me, the biggest drawback is not being able to use the fine tuner in the lock (E) position. And buying one of those clamps isn’t really a solution. I’d like to see a revised version of the tone vise where the protrusion does slide between the fine tuner screw and the spring (like) the d-tuna so adjustments can be made in either mode. Just my two cents.


looks like your bridge has a bit more clearance from the body than Mine does. That certainly helps a lot.


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Stramm8 wrote:
I just installed it and it appears to be working as advertised. For me, the biggest drawback is not being able to use the fine tuner in the lock (E) position. And buying one of those clamps isn’t really a solution. I’d like to see a revised version of the tone vise where the protrusion does slide between the fine tuner screw and the spring (like) the d-tuna so adjustments can be made in either mode. Just my two cents.


So when the PS is in the E position, you cannot fine tune the E at all? And if you do need to fine tune the E, you then have to unlock the nut?


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I just installed it and it appears to be working as advertised. For me, the biggest drawback is not being able to use the fine tuner in the lock (E) position. And buying one of those clamps isn’t really a solution. I’d like to see a revised version of the tone vise where the protrusion does slide between the fine tuner screw and the spring (like) the d-tuna so adjustments can be made in either mode. Just my two cents.


So when the PS is in the E position, you cannot fine tune the E at all? And if you do need to fine tune the E, you then have to unlock the nut?


That is correct. You have to zoom in on this pic to see that the fine tuner screw does not come in contact with the saddle screw while in the E position. If you screwed the fine tuner down low enough to push the screw down to tune it sharper, it would totally throw the D position out. So at that point you might as well just not use it. I bought one before I understood how it worked but figured what the hell?? I mean it works but time will tell if it’s practical.


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Stramm8 wrote:
That is correct. You have to zoom in on this pic to see that the fine tuner screw does not come in contact with the saddle screw while in the E position. If you screwed the fine tuner down low enough to push the screw down to tune it sharper, it would totally throw the D position out. So at that point you might as well just not use it. I bought one before I understood how it worked but figured what the hell?? I mean it works but time will tell if it’s practical.


For me, its only practical if you can fine tune the E or D. I misunderstood how it worked.

So tell me this, can you lock the E to perfect pitch, then drop it to D without needing to fine tune and then engage it back up to E without needing to fine tune, and it will be in perfect pitch?


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Yes mine does.

You can fine tune the drop d position but not the E position.


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That is correct. You have to zoom in on this pic to see that the fine tuner screw does not come in contact with the saddle screw while in the E position. If you screwed the fine tuner down low enough to push the screw down to tune it sharper, it would totally throw the D position out. So at that point you might as well just not use it. I bought one before I understood how it worked but figured what the hell?? I mean it works but time will tell if it’s practical.


For me, its only practical if you can fine tune the E or D. I misunderstood how it worked.

So tell me this, can you lock the E to perfect pitch, then drop it to D without needing to fine tune and then engage it back up to E without needing to fine tune, and it will be in perfect pitch?


Yes, that does work perfectly. You can fine tune it in the D position. I mean it does work well. I’ve been playing with it all day and I haven’t had to unlock the nut to retune.

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Yes, that does work perfectly. You can fine tune it in the D position. I mean it does work well. I’ve been playing with it all day and I haven’t had to unlock the nut to retune.


Thank you, that's what I like to hear!

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Stramm8 wrote:
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That is correct. You have to zoom in on this pic to see that the fine tuner screw does not come in contact with the saddle screw while in the E position. If you screwed the fine tuner down low enough to push the screw down to tune it sharper, it would totally throw the D position out. So at that point you might as well just not use it. I bought one before I understood how it worked but figured what the hell?? I mean it works but time will tell if it’s practical.


For me, its only practical if you can fine tune the E or D. I misunderstood how it worked.

So tell me this, can you lock the E to perfect pitch, then drop it to D without needing to fine tune and then engage it back up to E without needing to fine tune, and it will be in perfect pitch?


Yes, that does work perfectly. You can fine tune it in the D position. I mean it does work well. I’ve been playing with it all day and I haven’t had to unlock the nut to retune.


This is great news!


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Very nice! Thank you!

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I just installed one of these on my OFR. Im not sure if I don't have it installed correctly, its seems to operate fine. But in Drop D position, the D is quite sharp. With the fine tuner backed all the way out the only adjustment is to go sharper. Any suggestions?


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Could you post a picture of your trem from the side? In drop d it shouldn't be touching the whale tail and the logo should be perpendicular to the face of the guitar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfXQvzBKWPU

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Could you post a picture of your trem from the side? In drop d it shouldn't be touching the whale tail and the logo should be perpendicular to the face of the guitar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfXQvzBKWPU



Here is a picture.


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This is a nice invention, but to be a pessimist, I have some issues. I like to use pointy Charvels and due to the neck angle and lack of string retainer behind the nut, strings go sharp when tightening down on the nut clamps. So not being able to fine tune the E string is a major issue.

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[quote="Emg77"][quote="Tone Vise"]Could you post a picture of your trem from the side? In drop d it shouldn't be touching the whale tail and the logo should be perpendicular to the face of the guitar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfXQvzBKWPU[/quote]



Here is a picture.[/quote]



Youve got it WAY to close. The head of the bolt should be flush with the end if the tone vise not sticking out like you have it. Take it off and thread it on more.

Look at mine. You can see the copper color of my bridge rubbing off on the tone vise because that's all that is actually touching the Trem.

Please correct me if I'm wrong but any further and it would so be touching the fine tuning screw


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This is a nice invention, but to be a pessimist, I have some issues. I like to use pointy Charvels and due to the neck angle and lack of string retainer behind the nut, strings go sharp when tightening down on the nut clamps. So not being able to fine tune the E string is a major issue.


I have this issue as well, but it is easily compensated for. It takes a couple tries before you find that spot that gets it were you want it.

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Could you post a picture of your trem from the side? In drop d it shouldn't be touching the whale tail and the logo should be perpendicular to the face of the guitar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfXQvzBKWPU




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Youve got it WAY to close. The head of the bolt should be flush with the end if the tone vise not sticking out like you have it. Take it off and thread it on more.

Look at mine. You can see the copper color of my bridge rubbing off on the tone vise because that's all that is actually touching the Trem.

Please correct me if I'm wrong but any further and it would so be touching the fine tuning screw


that's how it was for me. but it looks like he has enough screw length to get it in the correct spot.

UPDATE: Mark shot me longer screws for my pitch shifter and it made all the difference in the world. It is pretty specific IMO as far as getting it in just the right position away from the tail, but after you install it a couple times it gets much easier. Played 2 gigs this weekend and had no problems. And, only had 2 guitars! Haven't been able to do that in quite a while.

Thanks Mark! Will be buying a couple more in the near future.


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This is a nice invention, but to be a pessimist, I have some issues. I like to use pointy Charvels and due to the neck angle and lack of string retainer behind the nut, strings go sharp when tightening down on the nut clamps. So not being able to fine tune the E string is a major issue.


thinking about this, you probably wouldn't like the D-Tuna either.

With both devices, you have to tune one of the notes to pitch and lock it. With the D-Tuna, you tune the D to pitch, vice versa with the Pitch Shifter.


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This is a nice invention, but to be a pessimist, I have some issues. I like to use pointy Charvels and due to the neck angle and lack of string retainer behind the nut, strings go sharp when tightening down on the nut clamps. So not being able to fine tune the E string is a major issue.


thinking about this, you probably wouldn't like the D-Tuna either.

With both devices, you have to tune one of the notes to pitch and lock it. With the D-Tuna, you tune the D to pitch, vice versa with the Pitch Shifter.


I am with Dave on this for similar reasons.

However i do think this is far superior to the dtuna though, i have not tried the pitch shifter.

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for the record I have this on my N2 which has an angled headstock. It was about the same getting it locked in at pitch as it was for my Adrian Smith sig. and the tension bar on the Jackson is at the perfect height to not cause it to go sharp when locking it down.

The sharpness comes from the torsion (twist). That's why I wish the Bill Edwards finger tight locking nuts were still in production. They totally eliminated that torsion. The Tone Vise nut looks like a good alternative, but it kinda looks HUGE!.

Any Tone Vise lock nut users on here? Would love to hear a review from a forum member.


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This is a nice invention, but to be a pessimist, I have some issues. I like to use pointy Charvels and due to the neck angle and lack of string retainer behind the nut, strings go sharp when tightening down on the nut clamps. So not being able to fine tune the E string is a major issue.


thinking about this, you probably wouldn't like the D-Tuna either.

With both devices, you have to tune one of the notes to pitch and lock it. With the D-Tuna, you tune the D to pitch, vice versa with the Pitch Shifter.


Yea, but with the d-tuna you can still fine tune at the bridge for E and D. Unfortunately I'm with Dave, especially live where I tend to knock my guitar out of tune a little after each song needing a quick fine tune.


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Could you post a picture of your trem from the side? In drop d it shouldn't be touching the whale tail and the logo should be perpendicular to the face of the guitar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfXQvzBKWPU


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Here's a side shot of a installed Pitch Shifter. This is about the minimum gap you want. Just make sure it clears the fine tuner and the leaf spring underneath too. If it's too close just back it out a turn or two and reinstall.


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Could you post a picture of your trem from the side? In drop d it shouldn't be touching the whale tail and the logo should be perpendicular to the face of the guitar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfXQvzBKWPU


Here is a picture.


Here's a side shot of a installed Pitch Shifter. This is about the minimum gap you want. Just make sure it clears the fine tuner and the leaf spring underneath too. If it's too close just back it out a turn or two and reinstall.


Are mine not installed correctly?


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Are mine not installed correctly?


I would say you need to be about 4-5 more turns closer.

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This is a nice invention, but to be a pessimist, I have some issues. I like to use pointy Charvels and due to the neck angle and lack of string retainer behind the nut, strings go sharp when tightening down on the nut clamps. So not being able to fine tune the E string is a major issue.


thinking about this, you probably wouldn't like the D-Tuna either.

With both devices, you have to tune one of the notes to pitch and lock it. With the D-Tuna, you tune the D to pitch, vice versa with the Pitch Shifter.


Yea, but with the d-tuna you can still fine tune at the bridge for E and D. Unfortunately I'm with Dave, especially live where I tend to knock my guitar out of tune a little after each song needing a quick fine tune.


According to FU-Tone's D-Tuna installation instruction video (which I followed to install one on another guitar,) you back the tuning screw all the way out, then back in just until it touches the lock screw while in D. This means there's no room to tune if it's sharp. If you're leaving yourself room to tune, then according to them you're fudging it a bit. Which, of course, if it works is cool. I can't tune it will in D on mine, though.

Or I could have misunderstood the video, which is totally possible.


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D-tuna works perfect. You tune to D and when you push it back in you use the little set screw to get to E.


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D-tuna works perfect. You tune to D and when you push it back in you use the little set screw to get to E.


I like both of them honestly, they both perform as expected. The Tone Vise is just far less parts to be concerned with.


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The D tuna lets you fine tune in D or E. Of course the set screw has to be perfect in E for that to work, and it does.

I keep my set screw a couple turns in so i have room to tune up or down. Not too much as the tuna gets too tight.


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Could you post a picture of your trem from the side? In drop d it shouldn't be touching the whale tail and the logo should be perpendicular to the face of the guitar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfXQvzBKWPU


Here is a picture.


Here's a side shot of a installed Pitch Shifter. This is about the minimum gap you want. Just make sure it clears the fine tuner and the leaf spring underneath too. If it's too close just back it out a turn or two and reinstall.


Yes, I’ve tried it in all positions and it is still Sharp on the D. I’m not sure what else to do. Looks like I’m going to have to send it back. Unless there is something I’m missing.


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The D tuna lets you fine tune in D or E. Of course the set screw has to be perfect in E for that to work, and it does.

I keep my fine tune screw a couple turns in so i have room to tune up or down. Not too much as the tuna gets too tight and is hard to get in and out from E to D


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Installed on my the Charvel and it works as expected. No complaints. Pretty easy to use. Just gotta be sure that E gets tuned right. It drops perfectly into D for me so far. I had my tech install it as I'm not to mechanically inclined.


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Update: played it at band jam. Tuned E to pitch. Locked nut. Played in tune. Then dropped to D using the pitch shifter and it went to D. I did fine tune it slightly in D, but only once that first time, as I’m very heavy handed. That was the only time. I engaged it back up to E and it was in tune. Then back down to D and again and it was in tune.

Works exactly as I’d hoped.


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Update: played it at band jam. Tuned E to pitch. Locked nut. Played in tune. Then dropped to D using the pitch shifter and it went to D. I did fine tune it slightly in D, but only once that first time, as I’m very heavy handed. That was the only time. I engaged it back up to E and it was in tune. Then back down to D and again and it was in tune.

Works exactly as I’d hoped.


I gigged 2 guitars with it installed last weekend, in standard and half step, and they performed perfectly for me as well.


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Update: played it at band jam. Tuned E to pitch. Locked nut. Played in tune. Then dropped to D using the pitch shifter and it went to D. I did fine tune it slightly in D, but only once that first time, as I’m very heavy handed. That was the only time. I engaged it back up to E and it was in tune. Then back down to D and again and it was in tune.

Works exactly as I’d hoped.


I’m glad it’s working out for you. I’m not sure what’s going on with the one I received but the D is Sharp. I have installed at every threaded position from close to the whale tail to all the way out. I get the same result.


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Update: played it at band jam. Tuned E to pitch. Locked nut. Played in tune. Then dropped to D using the pitch shifter and it went to D. I did fine tune it slightly in D, but only once that first time, as I’m very heavy handed. That was the only time. I engaged it back up to E and it was in tune. Then back down to D and again and it was in tune.

Works exactly as I’d hoped.


I’m glad it’s working out for you. I’m not sure what’s going on with the one I received but the D is Sharp. I have installed at every threaded position from close to the whale tail to all the way out. I get the same result.


Is it sharp with no room left to adjust the tuner?

Also, what kind of trem? I had a little trouble the first go around because I was installing on a FR Special and the provided stock FR screw as a bit too short. Mark sent a longer one and now no issues.


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Can you adjust your fine tuner up enough to where it's not protruding from beneath the whale tail at all? If part of it is showing then your string will be sharp.

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Ran into an issue with my non recessed Floyd Rose.

Mine has a metal shim under the fine tuner tension plate. Whenever I drop it to D the tension plate pushes into the shim causing the bridge to be pulled back and therefore causes the strings to all go sharp.

Have you ever run into this?

Here is it. I pushed the bar down so it's visible....no its not setup that way!

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You don't have it installed correctly, adjust it closer to the whale tail until there's about a 1/16" gap.


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Thanks I'll give it a try.


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Trying mine this aftrenoon, will report back.


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Ran into an issue with my non recessed Floyd Rose.

Mine has a metal shim under the fine tuner tension plate. Whenever I drop it to D the tension plate pushes into the shim causing the bridge to be pulled back and therefore causes the strings to all go sharp.

Have you ever run into this?

Here is it. I pushed the bar down so it's visible....no its not setup that way!

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I thought in order for this to work your bridge cannot be floating so if it can pull back with less string tension, then that tells me it is floating, no?

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