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VonBonfire said:
Somehow I knew @Monkey Man getting all science-y would send a signal that you somehow have a receptor for. And here you are. Good morning Daniel.
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it's not often I have the opportunity to ponder the beneficial bacteria contained in insect frass on guitar forums.

anyways, I was tasked with writing a clean guitar riff in 6/8 time. I tried to make it surfy but it's a little bit country too I think. more up your alley than the heavy stuff I do

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Thumbpicker said:
The most important thing to know is it's wet in the water.
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Aynirar27 said:
it's not often I have the opportunity to ponder the beneficial bacteria contained in insect frass on guitar forums.

anyways, I was tasked with writing a clean guitar riff in 6/8 time. I tried to make it surfy but it's a little bit country too I think. more up your alley than the heavy stuff I do

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Very nicely done! Had a little Duane Eddy echo twang tone happening there. Nice touch. Why you aren't out there writing, recording, and gigging is beyond me man. I know you are a busy guy but you owe it to yourself. The Berkshires need you.
 
VonBonfire said:
Very nicely done! Had a little Duane Eddy echo twang tone happening there. Nice touch. Why you aren't out there writing, recording, and gigging is beyond me man. I know you are a busy guy but you owe it to yourself. The Berkshires need you.
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I hope to focus on recording again at least. I’m re-learning digital recording and am working on video editing at the same time so hopefully some cool stuff will come out of it. Don’t care to make any $$ off of it but it’s nice to have an outlet
 
Aynirar27 said:
it's not often I have the opportunity to ponder the beneficial bacteria contained in insect frass on guitar forums.

anyways, I was tasked with writing a clean guitar riff in 6/8 time. I tried to make it surfy but it's a little bit country too I think. more up your alley than the heavy stuff I do

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sounds good nice playing too

i play guitar somtimes too

 
Monkey Man said:
My controversial opinion that I've had for decades:

Saying that this bug or that creature is vital to an ecosystem's ability to survive and flourish is horse shit, with a few notable exceptions such as bees, and here's why:

When something dies in the water (no sharks or cleanup crew required)
Proteins break down, producing ammonia. Nitrifying bacteria break the ammonia (most-toxic) down into nitrites (less-toxic), then to nitrates (least-toxic). In anoxic environments bacteria then converts nitrates back into freely-available plant food. Plants also thrive on ammonia, nitrites and nitrates directly, so there's that too.

When something dies on land (no hyenas or vultures required)
Bacteria and Maggots devour the flesh. Even if the scavengers all died, bacteria would take care of everything.

That's it. Simple principle.
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Mosquitoes spread our DNA
 
Monkey Man said:
Bacteria can do the job all on its own and there's no shortage of 'em.


It doesn't just "help"; it's the star of the show mate.

No matter which creatures eat a dead one, their poo then has to be broken down by... you guessed it, bacteria.

IOW, the super-fast eaters are simply middle men, extracting some utility from what's on-offer, whereas bacteria ultimately has to clean up the mess, regardless of how many intermediate stages happen to exist in any given situation. Note that these can vary greatly from place to place, but there's always one common denominator - bacteria, making it the only indispensable factor IMHO.


An impact, sure, but I'd argue that it'd be hard-to-measure seeing as bacteria does the most-scrupulous job.

Insect and arthropod biomass is huge, sure, but the heavy lifting is being done by "species" that're ridiculously-prevalent and in zero danger of becoming extinct. Earthworms aren't going away any time soon either.

Some context:
I've been able to achieve perfectly-balanced aquaristic ecosystems and the most-critical decision I made to reach that goal was never vacuuming substrate / gravel or even removing dead leaves. On the rare occasions a fish dies, I push it into the gravel near the base of a plant.

Point being that "science" and "big" industry in the fish keeping sector's Hell-bent on selling we hobbyists all manner of chemicals and cleaning and filtering equipment, declaring that our fish will die if we don't follow the generally-accepted paradigm. Big filtration. Big water changes. Effectively-sterile environment.

OTOH I've found that by not cleaning, I've ended up with a greater variety and total biomass of bacteria and other critters which actually help the fish's immune systems. So, minimal maintenance and healthier fish, all achieved by simply allowing bacteria to thrive where it otherwise is discouraged.

Note that I've not introduced any "intermediate" players, the equivalents of insects for example; everything's being done by invisible-to-the-naked-eye critters. These things will never go extinct as long as creatures shit and die.

Hence my assertion in my first post - The underwater environment is not only most of the earth's surface, but the bio-dynamics and critters involved therein are analogous to on-land.

Sorry for the rant. :LOL:

PS:
My tanks look pristine BTW. No mulm whatsoever 'cause everything's being devoured as fast as it can be produced. Tell that to someone who spends 3 hours a week cleaning and maintaining his fish tank. Heck, I don't even run "cleanup crews" anymore (considered essential in the hobby - catfish to eat uneaten food and specific fish and / or shrimp to eat algae). IOW, and again, bacteria's taking care of everything.

Another way of looking at all this:
You could remove any given "species" or number of them and an environment would still be able to thrive as long as the bacteria remain.
If you removed the bacteria, it'd be all over red rover.
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JackBootedThug said:
Now that is a post…
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Glad someone appreciated it my brother. :LOL:

Aynirar27 said:
I enjoy reading about the aquatic side of things. Soils and botany were my focus at college but I am largely woefully ignorant about life in the water
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As I said:
"The underwater environment is not only most of the earth's surface, but the bio-dynamics and critters involved therein are analogous to on-land."

IOW, you might as well assume you understand the underwater environment too Danno; same game, just different players.
 
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