Question about running Torpedo Live with a cab.

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Thinking about bringing my Torpedo live to gig this weekend, but still using my speaker cab for now. I know that there is no "load" when you have a cab hooked up. My question is, does the FOH still see the same exact sound or tone whether you are running it with a load or a cab hooked up .
 
Hi Mr. Pentatonic,

that's a good question. ;)

If you use the Live alone, you amp will see the Live's load
If you plug a cabinet in the THUR output of the Live, your amp will see the cabinet's load only

Obviously those 2 loads will be different. not much, but enough to ear, in some situations, a difference.

It is impossible to predict if the difference will be big or not, you will have to try.
 
So, is it safe to assume, the design and best speaker emulation was created with the Torpedo Live acting as the load?
 
Yes, the Torpedo Live is mainly designed to work on its own load.

But do the test, you may not hear a world of difference between your actual cabinet and the Live alone
 
To get around this I have used both my amps speaker outs - one to LIVE, one to cab. (put an attenuator on the cab ;) ). Worked great.
 
You are right this is a very good idea as well!
 
Shark Diver":3paylxh6 said:
To get around this I have used both my amps speaker outs - one to LIVE, one to cab. (put an attenuator on the cab ;) ). Worked great.
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how would this work for me. I have a 16 ohm cab, but the Live requires 8ohm. What would I set the ohm dial on my amps to? Also I have a bad cat unleash that I can use in the chain. So the Unleash requires 8ohm, the Torpedo requires 8ohm. What would I set the ohm dial on my amp for then? Sorry if its a stupid question.
 
You have 2 options:

1) When a speaker is connected to the "thru" jack, the impedance of the amp should match the speaker's impedance and you can ignore the Torpedo's 8 ohm specification. ie set your amp to 16 ohm and connect amp->torpedo->speaker. The only disadvantage is that the speaker will be at full volume as set on the amp. The Torpedo can be used to feed FOH, inears or your DAW.

2) You could get a special cable that connects the Torpedo and the Leash in series. In this case, the Torpedo's 8 ohm load is added to the Leash, also 8 ohms and your total impedance is 16 ohms, the amp should be set to 16 ohms. You could also use both boxes in parallel which may be easier to hook up and then you'd be at 4 ohms. Most people prefer the sound of a head running at 16 ohms. The Torpedo would output to inear, FOH and DAW while the Leash would be connected to your 16 ohms cabinet with an independent volume control from a whisper to screaming loud as required. If you choose option, make sure you get the correct cables and ask here or by pm if you need diagrams.

Andy
 
sysexguy":agblyf2v said:
You have 2 options:

1) When a speaker is connected to the "thru" jack, the impedance of the amp should match the speaker's impedance and you can ignore the Torpedo's 8 ohm specification. ie set your amp to 16 ohm and connect amp->torpedo->speaker. The only disadvantage is that the speaker will be at full volume as set on the amp. The Torpedo can be used to feed FOH, inears or your DAW.

2) You could get a special cable that connects the Torpedo and the Leash in series. In this case, the Torpedo's 8 ohm load is added to the Leash, also 8 ohms and your total impedance is 16 ohms, the amp should be set to 16 ohms. You could also use both boxes in parallel which may be easier to hook up and then you'd be at 4 ohms. Most people prefer the sound of a head running at 16 ohms. The Torpedo would output to inear, FOH and DAW while the Leash would be connected to your 16 ohms cabinet with an independent volume control from a whisper to screaming loud as required. If you choose option, make sure you get the correct cables and ask here or by pm if you need diagrams.

Andy
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Thats where I am a little confused Andy. The way I understood Luxxtone's connection is that he runs two normal speaker cables out of the two speaker outs on his head. One goes to the Live so it works like a load, with that output going to FOH or DAW. Then the other speaker out goes to a cab. Which he choses to attentuate. This way the sound coming out of the live is it's truest tone, working as a load, yet you have a speaker cab on stage so you its like a regular set up.
 
If you go out of the two speaker outs of the head, they are in parallel.

If you use the Torpedo and Leash, the correct setting is 4 ohms, if you use the cabinet directly with the Torpedo in parallel, the correct impedance would be = 1/ (1/8 + 1/16) or about 5.33 ohms and the 4 ohm setting would be the best match.

There is an option 3 actually, connect the head -> Torpedo -> Leash -> cabinet and set the head to 8 ohms

Andy
 
Mr. Pentatonic":wc1pma8k said:
sysexguy":wc1pma8k said:
You have 2 options:

1) When a speaker is connected to the "thru" jack, the impedance of the amp should match the speaker's impedance and you can ignore the Torpedo's 8 ohm specification. ie set your amp to 16 ohm and connect amp->torpedo->speaker. The only disadvantage is that the speaker will be at full volume as set on the amp. The Torpedo can be used to feed FOH, inears or your DAW.

2) You could get a special cable that connects the Torpedo and the Leash in series. In this case, the Torpedo's 8 ohm load is added to the Leash, also 8 ohms and your total impedance is 16 ohms, the amp should be set to 16 ohms. You could also use both boxes in parallel which may be easier to hook up and then you'd be at 4 ohms. Most people prefer the sound of a head running at 16 ohms. The Torpedo would output to inear, FOH and DAW while the Leash would be connected to your 16 ohms cabinet with an independent volume control from a whisper to screaming loud as required. If you choose option, make sure you get the correct cables and ask here or by pm if you need diagrams.

Andy
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Thats where I am a little confused Andy. The way I understood Luxxtone's connection is that he runs two normal speaker cables out of the two speaker outs on his head. One goes to the Live so it works like a load, with that output going to FOH or DAW. Then the other speaker out goes to a cab. Which he choses to attentuate. This way the sound coming out of the live is it's truest tone, working as a load, yet you have a speaker cab on stage so you its like a regular set up.
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Yes, but my cab is 8ohms as well. So, 4 ohms off the amp.

I could run one speaker out from amp into the LIVE, LIVE speaker through to attenuator, attenuator to cab. Then I would set the amp and attenuator to whatever the cab is ohm wise. If I just attenuate and use the cab, amp is correct setting. If I set the attenuator to load, attenuator and amp are set to match as well. LIVE is just passing speaker signal, but still can feed FoH.
 
Last night I decided to do a test. I was going to run the Torpedo live 2 ways. One as a load, directly into my Alesis IO dock into garage band on my ipad. Then run direct again, but have the speaker through hooked up to my cab to see if there was any difference in tone. Got everything set up, ran upstairs to grab the ipad and realized the wife took it with her out of town last night. So I made a second jalepeno basil martini and gave up. Hopefully I can try this in the next few days.
 
Shark Diver":26x8viow said:
Mr. Pentatonic":26x8viow said:
jalepeno basil
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I'm not sure how that would work out :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL:

At least the evening wasn't a total loss. :)
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Jalepeno Basil Martinis are amazing. Everyone should try one
 
The best option for all this is to ditch the cab, get a good FRFR stage monitor. What you hear from the monitor is what the FOH will hear. The best set up will be two stage monitors. One with just you and one with the band mix, or the parts of the mix you want. Either do all this with the bands monitor mixer or tell the FOH guy what you need in the monitors.
 
steve_k":1fxrc0ie said:
What you hear from the monitor is what the FOH will hear.
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Not really. The PA might sound vastly different - just as different monitors sound different. Just as different cabs sounds different. Unless you get a real good monitor - I mean professional, not something you can get from Guitar Center. I tried probably 25 wedges, there was a pretty wide range of variation there. Same with PAs. You still really need to sound check and pay attention just as you would with a mic and sound guy.
 
The PA, monitors or ear monitors, whatever the system you use to hear your sound, will all sound different.

The sound consistency you get with a Torpedo is limited to the virtual miking, as soon as the signal is sent to a mixer and PA, some sound changes will happen. That is something impossibe to avoid.

I mean professional, not something you can get from Guitar Center.
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Don't be mean, you can get a Torpedo from Guitar Center. ;)
 
guillaume_pille":3igga49n said:
The PA, monitors or ear monitors, whatever the system you use to hear your sound, will all sound different.

The sound consistency you get with a Torpedo is limited to the virtual miking, as soon as the signal is sent to a mixer and PA, some sound changes will happen. That is something impossibe to avoid.

I mean professional, not something you can get from Guitar Center.
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Don't be mean, you can get a Torpedo from Guitar Center. ;)
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Well, everyone gets one right now and then, even GC. lol I have never seen Two-Notes in GC. That is cool.
 
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