italoop":2qmbi6bx said:
phil b":2qmbi6bx said:
italoop":2qmbi6bx said:
You can do anyhing you like, in any way you like, Period.
THIS is done differently from what you do... and applies to a lot of other sound sources.
IF you can't hear the difference between pitch and time... that is your problem, not mine.
I'm here showing things to people, not debating on how you do things.
The problem is if in a mix someone can get sounds that are so indistinguishable from YOUR sounds you refuse to believe it can be done any other way convincingly. Only thing you are showing people is what can be done with rack gear that most people done have, and if they did they wouldnt know how to program it.
You're right that you dont debate. If its not your way with only what you use then it will be impossible to get anything close. Your definitely smart enough to be able to manipulate sounds that are "close" with using plugins and would be more obtainable to the average person without top notch gear. I have seen Dave Prater get sounds out of older zoom units that I was blown away by. I know carpenters that blame their skills on the tools they have also.
You have totally derailed from my point, let alone the thread.
I haven't stated anywhere something can only be done in a single way or right one.
I am aware of how people work with technology and have designed myself both hardware d software (plugins) algorithms.
You are bending my point to your personal convenince in attacking me... for whatever other reason you may have.
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.....
Come to this thread contributing to it as I won't tolerate anything different from that.
I am not attacking you and I'm sorry you feel that way. You absolutely do not accept when someone does things outside the box or disagrees with you and when your called out on it you write 37 paragraphs addressing everything but the point. As I have said before, this goes back to the HRI days. It was always great to hear something new from you and discuss signal chains, effects order..etc. until someone would come along and say "hey, I can get close to the same thing using xxx" and you would go off on a tangent, which resulted in basically discouraging the guy in the end.
Your comparison to a Henning amp vs. a plugin is not really relevant because you are talking about core tone vs. effected tone. If your core is garbage then any effect you put on top will suffer. Some of the best guys in the business can get stellar sounds using things that I would have passed over in a heartbeat and you would have laughed at! Its not always about the equipment as much as having the smarts to figure out ways to make it for you.
There is no question you have the abilities but the Elitist attitude can be overbearing at times.
I was excited about the TGP thread on racks. Now its become if you dont have an actual desktop mixer nothing else will do, rack mixers are inferior... etc.I could go on for days. If its not right on paper it wont ever be right no matter what it sounds like.
Btw, full disclosure.. I recently downsized from a 16 space to a 12 space rack for my guitar rig, {with the addition of some pedals even!!} and have never personally used a plugin when recording. I still own an Ampex MM1000 machine with tons of outboard rack effects. You and I are on the same page more often than not, but again, the elitist attitude can be discouraging to many people.
