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SpiderWars said:
It allegedly is. I think the Zilla guys have compared (what haven't they?) and felt there was a slight difference. I need to try them, the clips I've heard of the Heritage 20W made them sound sort of squawky compared to the Heritage G12H 75Hz so I went with the latter and like it. But clips can be deceiving. My 4x12s are all 70s GB/CB/BB blends plus an '84 w/ vented 75s. But I needed speakers for some new combos I've built/bought.

I recently put an Alnico Gold in an open 1x12" for my Trainwreck Rocket clone and it sounds great. Perfect for that amp.
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They can sometimes come off a bit squawky, I can see that, and not quite as thick as the 25’s, but they’re also very aggressive, biting, great upper mid grind and not nasally like the 25 watt versions. Those ‘70’s ones and ‘84 T75 will definitely still sound more organic and warm, but the heritage 20’s have a crisp voicing and aggression that I’ve not yet heard in anything else. The G12C’s were similar, but not as good imo

Gold’s would be great with that kinda amp, but imo work well with a lot of different amps and mix really great with V30’s and Vented T75’s
 
Yeah, Creamback H's don't really have the warmth or the chunkiness of Greenbacks. I swapped them out of my cabinet because they sounded super thin and sizzly compared to actual Greenbacks.

Creamback M's on the other hand are less squishy, but as chunky and warm (maybe even slightly chunkier) than Greenbacks, which would go well with a smaller cab.
 
Meanjoegreene said:
That’s interesting. I’m looking for a green back type to pair with the alnico creams but most are 97 db compared to 100 db with the alnico.

You don’t think the alnico overpowers the cream back ?
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That's one of the reasons I did X pattern...so they would blend together better. I think if you're within 3db you won't really notice too much unless you are really focusing on distinguishing the differences. The Alnico Creams and Creamback 65's have some similarities so the final product is a great combo of smooth and punchy with a bit more top end bite than a quad of the Creambacks.
 
@SFW If you're sold on G12M Creamback 65w, let me know. I have a pair of 16 ohm models here, so your 212 cab would be 8 ohms wired in parallel. What amp are you going to use with it? If you're not sold on the Creamback G12M's, then it's best to fill out my recommendation form, and we can go from there.

http://www.scumbackspeakers.com/recommend.html
 
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Has OP tried his speakers in the top of his 4x12?

Listening in the room to speakers in a 2x12 vs anything in a 4x12 is futility.
 
squealie said:
Has OP tried his speakers in the top of his 4x12?

Listening in the room to speakers in a 2x12 vs anything in a 4x12 is futility.
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No, I have not. I know that the 212 will not have the same bottom end thump as a 412. The Small Blocks have a very rolled off top end. To my ear, they just don't sound good with my 2005 Quickrod.
 
braintheory said:
I’ve heard some say the EVH is the same speaker as the 20 watt heritage GB. If that’s the case then I don’t know of any higher powered speaker that really sounds or feels anything like it. Higher powered speaker just by nature have very different character and feel from my experience. The closest higher powered speaker I’ve heard to sounding like a GB was the ‘80’s vented T75, but still different and lacked tonal complexity and grit compared to actual older GB’s, but of course had more power, headroom, deeper bass. It’s a nice speaker

The 20 watt GB’s are much tighter, biting, more aggressive and immediate in feel than other GB’s. The other speakers recommended here so far would be closer to the 25 or 30 watt versions, but still pretty different imo. With that all being said, you may wanna check out the Alnico Gold’s. They’re rated at 50 watts. I know they’re not based on GB’s, but they sound killer and have an aggression, bite and feel that can be sort of comparable to the heritage 20 watt GB’s. I’m a real vintage snob when it comes to speakers and the only non-vintage ones I still really like and plan to keep are the Gold’s and 20 watt Heritage GB’s FWIW

One other thing to consider is that a bunch of guys have told me that they weren’t that satisfied with their Splawn cabs no matter what speakers they used in it, so the cab itself could possibly be part of what you don’t like, but I don’t like Eminence’s either, although some of the vintage ones can be nice and real sleepers for the price
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Hey dude, you ever tried the Celestion G12C?
That's Celestions answer to the Scumback, with the doping on the speaker.
Imho, the G12C is the best modern Greenback
in any cabinet on planet Earth.
 
Dino 939 said:
Hey dude, you ever tried the Celestion G12C?
That's Celestions answer to the Scumback, with the doping on the speaker.
Imho, the G12C is the best modern Greenback
in any cabinet on planet Earth.
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Yes, I had the Chinese made ones (haven’t tried the UK made ones, but heard they’re supposed to be darker and very different sounding). I agree, they were my favorite modern speakers until I got the heritage 20 watt Greenbacks and liked them even more than the G12C’s when compared. They had everything I liked about the G12C, but just better and more, like more aggressive, grindy, tighter, better/more immediate feel. The G12c was just a little beefier sounding (25 watts vs 20), but that was about it to me
 
braintheory said:
Yes, I had the Chinese made ones (haven’t tried the UK made ones, but heard they’re supposed to be darker and very different sounding). I agree, they were my favorite modern speakers until I got the heritage 20 watt Greenbacks and liked them even more than the G12C’s when compared. They had everything I liked about the G12C, but just better and more, like more aggressive, grindy, tighter, better/more immediate feel. The G12c was just a little beefier sounding (25 watts vs 20), but that was about it to me
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When ya gonna sell me that Purple Face V4?
I haven't bought an amp in years, but I'll
gladly come outta GAS retirement for that one!
 
Dino 939 said:
Hey dude, you ever tried the Celestion G12C?
That's Celestions answer to the Scumback, with the doping on the speaker.
Imho, the G12C is the best modern Greenback
in any cabinet on planet Earth.
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Wait, they have both Chinese and UK made G12C's? Those were supposed to be the Hendrix reissue cab speaker when I got some in 2012. Frankly, I'm not sure what Scumback they answered to, since the ones I had were pretty frigging bright. When I tested them they had cone cry, and were basically unusable, so I sent them back.

I thought they were all made in the UK (mine were), but they had Chinese and UK variants? (Jesus, it sounds like I'm talking about that stupid virus now, doesn't it?)

The only thing I could think that the G12C was in answer to was the M75-PVC, based on doping and what it sounded closest to in my line of speakers.
 
FWIW - I have a pair of H-30s in my thiele ported 2-12. I have one 55hz and one 75hz. Both 8-ohm with a multi-input that allows for 8ohm / 8ohm stereo, and 16 ohm mono. My 4x12s are loaded with G12-EVH which I also have read are 20 UK Greenbacks. I definitely prefer the tone of the 4x12s, but the H-30s really sound nice in that 2x12. If you are running 50 watt heads that may be the way to go. If you need more power handling capability, I think the M-65 Creamback may be tough to beat, but they do require quite a bit of break-in before they begin to soften up and breathe a bit. One of my 4x12s was originally equipped with a quad of M-65 Creams and I clearly remember the extended break-in period and how it took quite a while to bond with them.
 
PDC said:
One of my 4x12s was originally equipped with a quad of M-65 Creams and I clearly remember the extended break-in period and how it took quite a while to bond with them.
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This has been my experience with the Creamback G12M's as well.
 
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braintheory said:
Haha not likely to sell that one
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My sister lives in London, EU and while
I wwas there
braintheory said:
Haha not likely to sell that one
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My sister lives in London, EU and one time whe I visited I hit up Camden like I always do, burnin' down the damn town and I met some dudes to jam with.
One of those heads that survived the debauchery had a jam/room flat stocked with the killers, I was like, "My people".
Well, he had a Purple Face V4.
That amp was too f'n good, EVERY channel.
Most Marshall sounding Diezel of all Diezels.
Not at all like the HiFi'ish inherent Diezel voicing.
Such a choice amp.
You're stoked on that one!
 
Dino 939 said:
My sister lives in London, EU and while
I wwas there

My sister lives in London, EU and one time whe I visited I hit up Camden like I always do, burnin' down the damn town and I met some dudes to jam with.
One of those heads that survived the debauchery had a jam/room flat stocked with the killers, I was like, "My people".
Well, he had a Purple Face V4.
That amp was too f'n good, EVERY channel.
Most Marshall sounding Diezel of all Diezels.
Not at all like the HiFi'ish inherent Diezel voicing.
Such a choice amp.
You're stoked on that one!
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Oh wow you’ve actually played it!! I wonder why that guy in the UK would’ve sold it? Yeah I’m very lucky to have the purpleface. I’m really not at all a Diezel fan except for the purple and Blueface. Like you said it feels and sounds nothing like a Diezel (thankfully lol). The gain channels sound to me like kinda like a cross between my ‘89 SLO and the Cameron modded Marshall’s I’ve had (particularly this one Aldrich I had) and the last channel has some of the best lead tones I’ve heard. The only amp I can see possibly sending it packing would be a Larry, but even that might not be enough to let it go. Will have to see
 
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