2A

[rsm]

I'm done guys. No minds will ever get changed. I'm old and honestly don't care.
I like guns. I don't feel the need to have one on my hip when I run errands.

Some of the people who own weapons and scream loudest about 2A freak me out.
That's all.

Cheers.




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well if 2A-illiterate, uniformed/misinformed NPC citizens and totalitarian despots didn't keep infringing our 2A right constantly, we wouldn't have to scream at all.

Like I said, remove the "F" from the BATFE; repeal NFA; repeal FOPA. would be a good start IMO

 

[Strandberg Junkie]

Like I said, remove the "F" from the BATFE; repeal NFA; repeal FOPA. would be a good start IMO

Funny, in another thread about movies and firearms folks are talking about how everyone on set should be carefully trained
and supervised on the use of guns.

But in this thread you want them given to everyone on their 12th birthday with no rules and no government oversight.

 

[rsm]

Funny, in another thread about movies and firearms the guns folks are talking about how everyone on set should be carefully trained on weapons.

But in this thread you want guns giving to everyone on their 12th birthday with no rules and no government oversight.

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson

2A is the only arms right and rule needed. Yes, every citizen. It's called freedom and responsibility; which every citizen has. Further, every citizen has the right and responsibility (our Founding Fathers saw this as a duty, not just a responsibility) to keep and bear arms, if they choose. Failure to be responsible when exercising your rights will negatively impact your freedom.

Tommy J. was right again. Funny how he predicted it, amirite?

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." - Thomas Jefferson

 

[Strandberg Junkie]

Yes, every citizen. It's called freedom and responsibility; which every citizen has.

So, extreme training and oversight on movie sets.
But no training or oversight out in public?

We'll just assume all citizens are responsible.

And if I want 500 guns and 50,000 rounds of ammo out in my garage it's no problem at all?
And those 30 round capacity clips you can get for a Glock - you cool with those for everyone?

And why no sawed off shotguns or fully automatic rifles?
Why can't I have a machine gun?

My state outlawed switchblades. That's my choice of 'arms' so it should be legal, right?

 

[Bagel and Creamcheese]

How come so many people are getting shot?

 

[Clig Herdunkachuk]

So, extreme training and oversight on movie sets.
But no training or oversight out in public.

We'll just assume all citizens are responsible.

And if I want 500 guns and 50,000 rounds of ammo out in my garage it's no problem at all, right?
And those 30 round capacity clips you can get for a Glock - you cool with those for everyone?

And why no sawed off shotguns or fully automatic rifles?
Why can't I have a machine gun?

My state outlawed switchblades. That's my choice of 'arms' so it should be legal, right?

Yes!!! In the real world we don’t point fire arms at things we don’t want to kill or destroy. We don’t pull the trigger while pointing a firearm at something we don’t want to kill or destroy.

On a movie set they are creating an illusion. This illusion involves pointing (hopefully) unloaded firearms at things they don’t intend to kill/destroy. For some reason I cannot fathom, they also feel the need to pull the trigger and drop the hammer (ala rust). They add the muzzle blast and sound post production. There is no need to actually pull a trigger or drop a hammer. A little squeeze of a trigger with the weapon safety on is all that is needed for the illusion.

With the cost of prop guns they are resorting to using live weapons that can accept and discharge live rounds on movie sets to save money.

Given this I say yes, extra precautions are warranted. Especially considering that many Hollywood types are of the liberal persuasion and not exactly firearms literate.

 

[Strandberg Junkie]

In the real world we don’t point fire arms at things we don’t want to kill or destroy.

Yes, I follow the basic rules too.
Are we assuming all gun owners are responsible adults in your 'real world'?

 

[rsm]

So, extreme training and oversight on movie sets.
But no training or oversight out in public.

We'll just assume all citizens are responsible.

And if I want 500 guns and 50,000 rounds of ammo out in my garage it's no problem at all, right?
And those 30 round capacity clips you can get for a Glock - you cool with those for everyone?

And why no sawed off shotguns or fully automatic rifles?
Why can't I have a machine gun?

My state outlawed switchblades. That's my choice of 'arms' so it should be legal, right?

All citizens are responsible, as adults, for themselves; they should be held accountable though many are not.

IDGAF about movie sets, I do GAF about our Constitutional rights.

I'd go even further than stockpiling 10s of thousands of rounds, full auto weapons, and machine guns, etc. Notice our Founding Fathers didn't list, limit or constrain the type of weapons in 2A? It's foolish to think they did not anticipate improvements in weapons, as they saw the development of the Kentucky rifle and how effective it was vs British government supplied muskets; i.e., civilians had BETTER weapons than regular military.

In a letter exchange between Thomas Jefferson with a friend who was a merchant ship owner, the merchant asked if he was allowed to arm his merchant ships with the most modern military cannon available to combat piracy; to which Jefferson replied in the affirmative, stating that is the purpose to enable citizens to keep and bear any and all weapons as needed. Anecdotal, but illustrative of the prevailing thoughts and ideas that created the Constitution.

And in most states that uphold the Constitution, you can get full auto rifles, machine guns, etc. legally as long as you pay the Federal government's 2A infringement tax.

According to 2A, it's my right to keep and bear any arms available in the world including modern military weapons, like we're donating to Ukraine compliments of US taxpayers.


While it's legal for me to purchase and own today, the 2A infringements make it more cost prohibitive for me to purchase and use an M61 Vulcan minigun, and its' 22mm rounds.

 

[rsm]

How come so many people are getting shot?

it's not law abiding citizens doing the shooting. Which is why "sensible gun control" has done nothing to deter or reduce gun violence; in fact, it is likely one of the causes of increased gun violence, because armed criminals know law abiding citizens are likely unarmed.

Since you missed this, I'll repost it for you:

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." - Thomas Jefferson

 

[Clig Herdunkachuk]

Yes, I follow the basic rules too.
Are we assuming all gun owners are responsible adults in your 'real world'?

I do. If they violate the laws or harm others due to negligence/stipidity then they should face repurcussions imo. But I do not think we should preemptively punish people who have done nothing wrong. That is a very liberal answer to the problem.

According to that logic alcohol would be outlawed due to some peoples asinine behavior when drunk. Automobiles would be outlawed due to people doing stupid human tricks in vehicles. I could go on but you get my poont.

 

[rsm]

Actually, I'd take this over the m61 vulcan:

 

[Strandberg Junkie]

According to that logic alcohol would be outlawed due to some peoples asinine behavior when drunk. Automobiles would be outlawed due to people doing stupid human tricks in vehicles.

So you'd be cool if we had similar laws controlling the use of guns, as we do for booze and cars?

 

[rsm]

So you'd be cool if we had similar laws controlling the use of guns, as we do for booze and cars?

last I checked, vehicles and alcohol aren't in the Bill of Rights. Maybe you should finally read the Bill of Rights for yourself and see, Sparky?

 

[Strandberg Junkie]

According to 2A, it's my right to keep and bear any arms available in the world including modern military weapons.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

I absolutely, 100% disagree with you.

 

[Clig Herdunkachuk]

So you'd be cool if we had similar laws controlling the use of guns, as we do for booze and cars?

Slight hole in your logic buddy… alcohol and automobiles are not enumerated as rights in the constitution… firearms are. So that is a big negative.

 

[Strandberg Junkie]

last I checked, vehicles and alcohol aren't in the Bill of Rights. Maybe you should finally read the Bill of Rights for yourself and see, Sparky?

Stop assuming I'm dumb.

 

[rsm]

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

I absolutely, 100% disagree with you.

Now try reading it with the understanding of our Founding Fathers and the meaning of their own words:

"Well-regulated" as understood by our Founding Fathers meant that an adult male citizen was expected to be knowledgeable and capable in the care and use of their weapons. If you weren't well-regulated, i.e., didn't know how to use your weapons you are of no use to the militia.

Every adult male citizen had the freedom and responsibility to "keep and bear arms", that is to own and use arms, and to be well-regulated with their arms.

Every adult male citizen was expected to be the militia, owning, using, caring for their own weapons. This is exactly what the citizens did in Lexington and Concord, the Minutemen assembled in minutes, and confronted a British force on their way from Boston to arrest patriot leaders and confiscate munitions from the colonists.

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few public officials." - George Mason

 

[Strandberg Junkie]

Later guys. We're all just yelling at brick walls here.

 

[rsm]

Stop assuming I'm dumb.

stop acting like it then.

You can't read something written in 1781 and simply assume your understanding is the same as the authors. Words, phrases and meanings often change over time.

 

[Findthetone1]

Slight hole in your logic buddy… alcohol and automobiles are not enumerated as rights in the constitution… firearms are. So that is a big negative.

Don't waste you time trying to talk common sense with that fucking clown.
He's the LAST person that should have access to firearms.
He tried to have this conversation with me in another thread and ended running and hiding as usual.