
JackTheBear
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God loves you, Satan.
Like I said, don't stop believing, the jingoism is strong within you. If you think US actions are just and beneficial to all (all Americans and the greater world as a whole), and that the US won't eventually fall like all empires of the past, then:My point exactly.
However, my guess is that the above is meant to contradict my quoted post, so I’ll add:
There is a distinction between the advancement of geopolitical interests, up to and including hegemony,
and imperialism.
Beyond that, on a long enough timescale, nothing lasts.
So, rather than using fallen empires as arguments as to why America should surrender its global interests,
we (Americans and those who support American values) should be looking to those fallen empires for lessons on
*what mistakes to avoid*
when conducting our own affairs,
in order to prolong our existence.
Why?
Because American hegemony creates conditions that are preferable to those that prevailed in its absence.
For evidence, look at pre-WWII global conditions.
Yes. Are you?Genuine, non-judgmental question:
Are you American?
I don’t think that my position can accurately be described as “jingoistic,”Like I said, don't stop believing, the jingoism is strong within you. If you think US actions are just and beneficial to all (all Americans and the greater world as a whole), and that the US won't eventually fall like all empires of the past, then:![]()
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Yes I am American.Yes. Are you?
I don't blindly follow my government without questioning.
"It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority." - Benjamin Franklin
Just think of all those Americans who joined the military and were sent to Iraq to find Saddam's weapons of mass destruction, or sent to Afghanistan to fight alqueda. Used by American ruling parasites to enrich themselves and their donor class with American lives and taxes.
Plenty more examples in our history unless you accept and believe the official narrative versions.
edit: At least the Americans that were sent to Iraq and Afghanistan volunteered unlike many of those sent to Vietnam, Korea, etc. look how the US ruling parasites treated WW1 veterans after they were no longer of use to the government (see WWI veterans march on Washington)
It's the blind hypocrisy that's a laughing matter...................fact.I don’t think that my position can accurately be described as “jingoistic,”
but I certainly will not deny that I favor American interests, for the reasons I described above
Whether or not actions are “just” is irrelevant
Re: empire: see my earlier post re: the impermanence of empire
You seem to find a lot of humor in this topic
Many of my forebears gave their lives in the wars of the 20th century, some of which were doomed wars of adventure, and so I don’t think that this topic is a laughing matter at all.
I do, I think it's hilarious that Americans continue to follow and believe the US government narrative even when presented with facts, truth and reality.I don’t think that my position can accurately be described as “jingoistic,”
but I certainly will not deny that I favor American interests, for the reasons I described above
Whether or not actions are “just” is irrelevant
Re: empire: see my earlier post re: the impermanence of empire
You seem to find a lot of humor in this topic
Many of my forebears gave their lives in the wars of the 20th century, some of which were doomed wars of adventure, and so I don’t think that this topic is a laughing matter at all.
Your intention isn't clear then, it does sound like jingoism, "my country right or wrong", foreign enemies while ignoring the enemies within who are systematically destroying our Consitutional rights before our own eyes, those who have been elected for years or even decades, and those in the bureaucracies that hold power over the elected and the people.Yes I am American.
You’re making a lot of assertions and assumptions about how I arrived at my opinions, that are not accurate.
This whole discussion is not about me (or it shouldn’t be anyway), so i’ll leave it at that
there is a lot in the above post that I agree with, and clearly it is coming from an educated perspective, so I’m not going to argue the point further and instead consider it a difference of opinionI do, I think it's hilarious that Americans continue to follow and believe the US government narrative even when presented with facts, truth and reality.
It's been happening since before the US, it's not unique to us, but as a republic I expect better; then again the Roman republic also turned into the Roman Empire, I fully expect despotism to emerge in the US; I'm in good company too, as it seemed Franklin also expected it:
“I agree to this Constitution with all its faults, if they are such: because I think a general government necessary for us, and there is no form of government but what may be a Blessing to the People if well-administered; and I believe farther that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years and can only end in Despotism as other Forms have done before it, when the People shall become so corrupted as to need Despotic Government, being incapable of any other.”
― Benjamin Franklin
So yes, I find humor in it otherwise the enormity of the actual tragedy would be overwhelming. Yet most Americans continue to go forth blindly, willingly and enthusiastically.
I find indifference works best for me.
Again, you’re inferring things (“ignoring enemies within”) that are not even obliquely referenced in my postsYour intention isn't clear then, it does sound like jingoism, "my country right or wrong", foreign enemies while ignoring the enemies within who are systematically destroying our Consitutional rights before our own eyes, those who have been elected for years or even decades, and those in the bureaucracies that hold power over the elected and the people.
Enjoy the coming despotism. By the time most recognize it for what it is, it will be too late.
Hope you have your exit strategy, unless you plan to go down with the ship.
Bag Man is most likely an employee at a GRU / SVR Cyber Troll Farm.... out to havest idiots .^ Ridiculous statement.
Who gave America the “right” to be the hegemon?
America did. By development and use of economic and military means.
Our adversaries don’t like it. THEY’RE NOT SUPPOSED TO LIKE IT.
Geopolitics is not supposed to be “fair” and there are in fact “sides.” I passionately support American geopolitical influence because I am American and I understand history.
I’ll say it again:
IT MAKES ME SICK to see people who claim to value America and American values, denigrating America and supporting our adversaries.
Bag Man is most likely an employee at a GRU / SVR Cyber Troll Farm.... out to havest idiots .
Dairy Queen I certainly am.............just call me Yuriy ShishkabobBag Man is most likely an employee at a GRU / SVR Cyber Troll Farm.... out to havest idiots .
Dairy Queen I certainly am.............just call me Yuriy Shishkabob
So many Russian shills here. Either traitors or actually Russians. Take your pick.
Nose Picker Clueless, clueless AND clueless.So many Russian shills here. Either traitors or actually Russians. Take your pick.
Even more-so, the ignorant morons who are fucking blind to what’s really going on and WHY it’s actually happening .??So many Russian shills here. Either traitors or actually Russians. Take your pick.
Yep, those pesky traitors like Benjamin Franklin, right.So many Russian shills here. Either traitors or actually Russians. Take your pick.