DiMarzio Super Distortion old vs new. How are they different?

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DiMarzio Super Distortion old vs new. How are they different? Terry Kilgore (Ed's friend) told me that the early ones kicked ass. I've heard that the old ones weren't potted. They now have what they call their "Double dip" process of potting, so that has to change the sound a bit. In the article on DiMarzio's website Larry says they are made exactly the same on the same winding machines. Personally, I don't like the current ones. What do you think?
 
DiMarzio Super Distortion old vs new. How are they different? Terry Kilgore (Ed's friend) told me that the early ones kicked ass. I've heard that the old ones weren't potted. They now have what they call their "Double dip" process of potting, so that has to change the sound a bit. In the article on DiMarzio's website Larry says they are made exactly the same on the same winding machines. Personally, I don't like the current ones. What do you think?
Wax potting adds capacitance. As a result, it drops the resonant peak and q factor of the pickups. This is easily measurable. That said, the benefits of potting outway the slight shift in resonant peak
 
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IME neither are great and this is coming from someone that swears by vintage pickups lol. If you want a better sounding pickup in that ballpark I’d highly recommend getting a vintage Mighty Mite instead. They sound ways better. There’s a reason they go for more than vintage super distortions
 
IME neither are great and this is coming from someone that swears by vintage pickups lol. If you want a better sounding pickup in that ballpark I’d highly recommend getting a vintage Mighty Mite instead. They sound ways better. There’s a reason they go for more than vintage super distortions
Back in the early 80's I once played a Les Paul Custom (which was selling for $350. God, I miss the eighties) with a Mighty Mite in the bridge. I don't know if it was a 1300 or a 1400. It was absolutely amazing. Destroyed any Super Distortion I've tried. I've heard that Seymour designed them for Mighty Mite but I don't know that for a fact. If he did, maybe MJ could make one?
 
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How would you explain the sound of the new ones ?
Muddy and lifeless. Boring. The other guitarist in our band had an Gibson L6S with a DSD and an internal preamp by R.A. Gresco thru a marshall 2203. We both hated the sound of the DSD by itself, but with that preamp the tone was incredible.
 
Back in the early 80's I once played a Les Paul (which was selling for $350. God, I miss the eighties) with a Mighty Mite in the bridge. I don't know if it was a 1300 or a 1400. It was absolutely amazing. Destroyed any Super Distortion I've tried. I've heard that Seymour designed them for Mighty Mite but I don't know that for a fact. If he did, maybe MJ could make one?
Yeah those old Mighty Mites are great. I like most the 1400 since it’s a bit more gritty sounding, but the 1300 and 1800 are pretty similar imo. I heard the current made MM’s are supposed to be pretty good too, but haven’t tried them. If they’re like most recent made pickups they’d probably sound a bland and lacking rawness vs vintage ones, but who knows. It’s cool that once in a while there are happy accidents where the copy ends up sounding better than the original like Might Mite vs Super Distortion haha
 
I've heard it said that the Mighty Mite was a clone of the Super Distortion but to me the MM destroys the DSD.
 
Muddy and lifeless. Boring. The other guitarist in our band had an Gibson L6S with a DSD and an internal preamp by R.A. Gresco thru a marshall 2203. We both hated the sound of the DSD by itself, but with that preamp the tone was incredible.
Unfortunately most recent made pickups I’ve had in general to me have sounded lifeless and boring to varying degrees. Just not fun. Those stock Bill Lawrence designed L6’s though imo are excellent pickups with great snarl and clarity. Not sure why he’d swap those out unless he needed something hotter or less noisy maybe
 
I've heard it said that the Mighty Mite was a clone of the Super Distortion but to me the MM destroys the DSD.
Yes exactly. I didn’t realize it was supposed to be a clone until I read that online lol. It’s just a great pickup regardless of how it relates to the DSD’s that I never liked
 
Unfortunately most recent made pickups I’ve had in general to me have sounded lifeless and boring to varying degrees. Just not fun. Those stock Bill Lawrence designed L6’s though imo are excellent pickups. Not sure why he’d swap those out unless he needed something hotter or less noisy maybe
I don't know why he made the change. Back when I was doing repairs, I once replaced the stock L6S bridge pickup with a DiMarzio Super 2 (DP104) and the customer loved it. He said that it had more bite and clarity.
 
Unfortunately most recent made pickups I’ve had in general to me have sounded lifeless and boring to varying degrees. Just not fun. Those stock Bill Lawrence designed L6’s though imo are excellent pickups with great snarl and clarity. Not sure why he’d swap those out unless he needed something hotter or less noisy maybe
Bill designed some amazing pickups. I LOVE the old L90's. (Anyone here tried the current L90's? I wonder how they compare) Never was a fan of the L500 series though. I swapped out the stock Dirty Fingers in my Les Paul XR1 (I think that's what it was called) and put in Lawrence L500's. Yecch. I yanked them and put the Dirty Fingers back in and was very happy.
 
Bill designed some amazing pickups. I LOVE the old L90's. (Anyone here tried the current L90's? I wonder how they compare) Never was a fan of the L500 series though. I swapped out the stock Dirty Fingers in my Les Paul XR1 (I think that's what it was called) and put in Lawrence L500's. Yecch. I yanked them and put the Dirty Fingers back in and was very happy.
Yeah the L90’s are some of my favorite Bill Lawrence’s too. I would overall also prefer the old Dirty Finger’s to 500’s, but I think the 500’s can be really good too in the right guitar and style of play, but some versions aren’t as good. The earlier chrome back ones always sounded better to me than the plastic back ones. Either way, I’ve found all those older pickups including the mighty mites make all the recent made hot pickups I’ve had come off very bland and uninspiring to play. They don’t have the rawness, feel or nuances in sound
 
I personally disagree with the romanticization of unpotted pickups. Yeah, they sound brighter... but they also squeal like crazy.

I guess that's not an issue if you're playing clean, but I certainly wouldn't get a Super Distortion to play clean.
 
Muddy and lifeless. Boring. The other guitarist in our band had an Gibson L6S with a DSD and an internal preamp by R.A. Gresco thru a marshall 2203. We both hated the sound of the DSD by itself, but with that preamp the tone was incredible.
With 100,000,000,000 different boost/od/eq pedals on the market I imagine you could find one that can closely copy a Gresco preamp,,,,and then your SD tone would be incredible too!

Personally I think they are still one of Dimarzio's best models.
 
With 100,000,000,000 different boost/od/eq pedals on the market I imagine you could find one that can closely copy a Gresco preamp,,,,and then your SD tone would be incredible too!

Personally I think they are still one of Dimarzio's best models.
Yeah, I’ve always liked Super Distortions.
I’ve had many older ones and loved all of them.
The key is to get the pickup height adjusted correctly. Too close to the strings and the pickup becomes overwhelming and messy sounding. You have to lower it to really dial it in and make it sing.
 
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