Best recorded Diezel VH4 tones

  • Thread starter Thread starter easstudios
  • Start date Start date
easstudios

easstudios

Well-known member
Sort of have a love/hate thing with Diezel, there’s something unique and intriguing about their amps but I had a Herbert and didn’t really like it THAT much.

I’m still curious about the VH4, even though I expect my issues to be much the same. That said, keen to hear the best tones everyone can think of with this amp.

I know Tool used it a bunch, I associate it most with 10,000 Days in certain spots, but I think with Tool it’s usually a part of a blend and that blend is changing constantly riff by riff and song by song. So not necessarily the best example, unless it’s a very specific moment in a song (and it’ll still likely have a blend of something else in there).
 
Vh4 channel three has been used on a shit load of classic recordings

I generally prefer less fizz but there's no denying they have their own thing

My favorite that comes to mind is the rhythm guitars for early Primal Fear



(The breakdown halfway through)
 
Vh4 channel three has been used on a shit load of classic recordings

I generally prefer less fizz but there's no denying they have their own thing

My favorite that comes to mind is the rhythm guitars for early Primal Fear



(The breakdown halfway through)

Will check it out, been years since I’ve heard Primal Fear. Wasn’t aware it was VH4. Never really associated Diezels with fizz, I tend to find them a bit dark and controlled in the top end (it’s one of the issues I have with Diezel, I have to crank the presence and treble to get it where I want).

I see VH4’s in tons of studios but I struggle to think of many albums it’s on.
 
Will check it out, been years since I’ve heard Primal Fear. Wasn’t aware it was VH4. Never really associated Diezels with fizz, I tend to find them a bit dark and controlled in the top end (it’s one of the issues I have with Diezel, I have to crank the presence and treble to get it where I want).

I see VH4’s in tons of studios but I struggle to think of many albums it’s on.
Generally with diesels, the higher the gain goes, the harder it is to control the fizz

That's why most use channel 3 rather than 4 for gain stuff
 
Will check it out, been years since I’ve heard Primal Fear. Wasn’t aware it was VH4. Never really associated Diezels with fizz, I tend to find them a bit dark and controlled in the top end (it’s one of the issues I have with Diezel, I have to crank the presence and treble to get it where I want).

I see VH4’s in tons of studios but I struggle to think of many albums it’s on.
The way set my diezels they are never dark . I have Hermansons and wizards but my diezels hang . I find that people are afraid of the treble and presence up really . I use a lot with these . I have vh4 and Herbert’s . Vh4 can cut through and be very chunky if need be . Ts9 is a great boost to tighten and get chunky . But who knows the way they are built harmonically just might be what your ear wants . I wish I could be good clips for you but I need a new daw
 
I owned a 2005 VH4 in the past, and presently own a 2022 VH4. While the newer version definitely seems brighter and feels like it has a more aggressive nature, I still run both the treble and presence at 2 - 3 o'clock while at living room volumes. When the pushed to band volumes I can back both off to closer to noon - 1 o'clock as the top end jumps to life. The amp never really presents as buzzy even at these settings. If anything I feel it could use just a touch more sizzle in the high top like the Hagen or Herbert. I'm certain that there is a simple mod that can achieve this, but I am hesitant to touch it as it is 90% perfect as is.
 
That’s one brand I have zero interest in. I’ve had two encounters with Diezel. First was at Dime and Vinnie’s NYE bash they used to have at their strip club. They had a cover band under the name Gasoline and whoever the 2nd guitar was used a Herbert I think. It sounded like ass and was buried by Dime’s SS Randalls. About 10 years ago, I played a dudes Einstein. Hated it.
 
The way set my diezels they are never dark . I have Hermansons and wizards but my diezels hang . I find that people are afraid of the treble and presence up really . I use a lot with these . I have vh4 and Herbert’s . Vh4 can cut through and be very chunky if need be . Ts9 is a great boost to tighten and get chunky . But who knows the way they are built harmonically just might be what your ear wants . I wish I could be good clips for you but I need a new daw
This is a VH4 with a TS9 in front. (John Feldmann)

 
That’s one brand I have zero interest in. I’ve had two encounters with Diezel. First was at Dime and Vinnie’s NYE bash they used to have at their strip club. They had a cover band under the name Gasoline and whoever the 2nd guitar was used a Herbert I think. It sounded like ass and was buried by Dime’s SS Randalls. About 10 years ago, I played a dudes Einstein. Hated it.
This is a VH4 with a TS9 in front. (John Feldmann)


That’s very cool . You gave me an idea
 
That's probably the Herbert or Bogner Uberschall actually! He used the VH4 on Zwan and Machina some. Machina II too.
In the interview he just it was a Diezel . So either vh4 her Hebert .
 
I’d be interested to see which tracks people suggest - when I looked into this once it seemed the VH4 was often blended with another amp (eg Adam Jones with his Marshall / VH4 combination). I read that Hetfield used one at some point?

I’m with Techdeath in terms of running presence, mids and treble higher than I do on my Marshall and Marshall-flavoured amps. The VH4 definitely has its own thing going on, but you can dial it in not to be dark, that’s for sure.
 
Last edited:
Here's a song I'm working on. Guitars were recorded using Channel 3 of a 2022 VH4. Only EQ on guitars is a 12db/oct low cut around 120Hz.



I had a love/hate relationship with the VH4 for a while, but it's turned into love in the past 2 months or so. It's so versatile and the harmonic complexity the amp has is crazy (front-loaded cabs/V30s highlight this). Coming from a Marshall/Mesa Mark background, like a lot of people I fought with the amp sometimes because it can be so compressed and fat sounding, in addition to being a "drier" playing experience. It has a very unique sound and for some people that's a turn off because it's not what they're used to hearing, but if you give it time it will grow on you and eventually click. That's my experience anyway. One of my top 5 amps now.

In regards to Adam Jones: he was using a blueface spec VH4 when he started (still is I think). Those sound much darker than the current VH4s, so it makes sense that he would need to blend it with a brighter, more raw amp like a Marshall SL. I don't think that would be the case if he was using a newer VH4. They can get as bright as you would ever need.
 
this clip is not the typical metal sound but with greenbacks:

with diezels you should start with everything at noon. Which is rather unusual for the presence knob with most amps, but my herbert and VHX are rather dark if you set it much lower. Only really crancked that's an option.
if you lower bass and/or deep you are able to get more traditional sounds.
 
I have said this before, but the Diezel line is pretty polarizing overall, as players seem to either obsessively love or mortally despise their signature tone and compression. This seems to be true to the greatest degree with the VH4 perhaps more so than other Diezel models. The VH4 can be a tough amp to get along with for certain players and it also can be bit confusing as (mentioned previously in this thread) players raised on Marshalls, 5150s or Mesas typically find the "feel" of the amp unfamiliar and in certain cases, off-putting. I love my VH4, but have found myself having difficulties describing it to others and even contradicting myself when doing so. Like: "it's a pretty tight amp...But really thick in the low-mids and bass" Or: "it's has a certain grainy character....But can sound smooth at times" Or Maybe: "it's huge sounding and really fills the room at home....But slices right through the mix with the band" Or even: "it's a very modern sounding amp...That can do great classic rock or traditional hard rock" And Finally: "It's got a metric ton of available gain...But isn't really a metal amp". I feel a little nuts even typing these statements, but in each context I feel that these opinions (while subjective) are strangely accurate. It's also a hard amp to describe when referencing other amps. So many times I have heard about other amps "well it reminds me of a Mesa rectifier, but tighter" or It's a like a Marshall with more low end"...You get the idea. I have never heard anyone say about another amp "well it sounds very similar to a VH4, but...." So one thing I CAN say without hesitation, or any contradiction is that the VH4 tone is totally unique to the VH4. Only a VH4 sounds like a VH4 (and that includes other Diezel models in my experience). If you like that unique "thing" that it does, than only a VH4 will do: if you don't...you will probably strongly dislike it because you can't dial that "thing" out, boost it out or really change it all that much with an EQ. My advice it is try one before you buy if at all possible. There are usually only a couple results: A. "I hate it, frustrates the hell out of me"....Or B. "I can't get the sound and feel of that thing out of my mind". If you can't spend some time with one before buying, wait until you find a good deal where you can flip it it without too much arbitrage loss. Because in my experience around 60% - 70% of players (particularly those who favor metal) will fall into category A. Just my thoughts.
 
Last edited:
The latest Metallica record is a good example. Shadows follow has the VH4 very prominent in the mix. You can hear that smooth bass and extended lows big time. The other tracks aren’t nearly as vh4 forward.
 
The latest Metallica record is a good example. Shadows follow has the VH4 very prominent in the mix. You can hear that smooth bass and extended lows big time. The other tracks aren’t nearly as vh4 forward.
"You Must Burn" as well...VH4 way up front.
 
Back
Top