NAD: Mesa Mark IV A/B

Jimty

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Just took delivery of a Mesa Mark IV A/B - ie: one of the transitional amps that Mesa built between the Mark IV A and the Mark IV B. The serial number is solidly in the mid 58XXs.

There are a few amps I’d love to add to my shelf (KSR Gemini, Rev F Rectifier, Alta 100, Hellion) but a Mesa Mark wasn’t on the radar.

That said, I spotted this one for sale and did some digging and the idea of grabbing something a little out of the ordinary appealed to me. As I understand it, only a couple hundred of the transitional models were made and I guess not too many of those made it to the UK / Europe.

As I understand it I’m only the third owner and I know that servicing work (including the cap replacements and board clean up) was undertaken by a well known and respected amp tech. It used to be in a rack unit, but Zilla are building me up a headshell.

In case of interest, there’s a gut shot below and it has the 561137 and 562004R transformers. It also has the IV B fx loop.

I am very, very far from being any sort of expert, but from pictures I have seen I can see a fair few similarities to the Mark IV B circuit, a couple of similarities to the Mark IV A circuit and maybe a couple of places where this circuit doesn’t seem to be like either.

I’d be interested to hear from those with more knowledge about where the similarities and differences between this and the IV A and IV B circuits lie and if there are places where this circuit looks like something else (I heard of one A/B amp that had Mark IIC+ features).

It would also be interesting to hear from other A/B transitional amp owners as to whether this circuit is the same as the one in their amp, or whether they have further variations.

The amp sounds great, so all of the above is purely out of curiosity!

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Cheers,

Jimty
 
Can't answer your question but HNIVD :cheers:
Busy in there isn't it?
I played a Mark IV once and walked away pretty happy.
Congrats and Enjoy :yes:
 
i read on one of the boogie forums that what makes these unique is something about the phase inverter. there are different value components there, than on the others i think. Looks like this had the bad caps in the low voltage section replaced, that is probably the most well known mark IV issue. It also has some of those orange coupling caps upgraded to 600v, whics a standard boogie upgrade they usually do when you send in your mark amp to mesa. I'd shot gun those big blue electrolytics, but thats a keeper right there.
 
Very nice! Saw this one for sale and was tempted. Congrats!
The seller was great to deal with. He shipped the amp out the morning after I paid, and it arrived within a day. Fantastic packing job, all tubes and chassis labelled so you knew where everything went and it works as advertised. He used a former Matamp engineer for tech work on this amp, so all in all he seems like a very safe bet from what I’ve experienced.
 
happy NAD!!!
my old Mark IV "B" is the only amp I've ever sold that I regretted selling :(
 
Ah nice! Sure itll look great in a new head cab.

I recently had a guy build a headcab for my Mark III, Craft Speaker Cabs. I think he only does stuff for Mesa's, can fully vouch for his level of detail and work.
Ah nice! Sure itll look great in a new head cab.

I recently had a guy build a headcab for my Mark III, Craft Speaker Cabs. I think he only does stuff for Mesa's, can fully vouch for his level of detail and work.
Nice choices on that headshell - looks great! My more “traditional” choices for tolex and finish are a tad bland by comparison…
 
Ah nice! Sure itll look great in a new head cab.

I recently had a guy build a headcab for my Mark III, Craft Speaker Cabs. I think he only does stuff for Mesa's, can fully vouch for his level of detail and work.
Looks exactly like my III++ Green Stripe
 
i read on one of the boogie forums that what makes these unique is something about the phase inverter. there are different value components there, than on the others i think. Looks like this had the bad caps in the low voltage section replaced, that is probably the most well known mark IV issue. It also has some of those orange coupling caps upgraded to 600v, whics a standard boogie upgrade they usually do when you send in your mark amp to mesa. I'd shot gun those big blue electrolytics, but thats a keeper right there.
Thanks Jim - completely missed this yesterday for some reason. Thanks for the heads up on the phase inverter - that’s interesting to know. 👍
 
Congrats! I had a transitional Mark IV as well, and it sounded great. Currently I've got a early rev B that sounds equally great, it actually sounds very much like the transitional IV. A little more aggressive sounding and brighter than the rev A. Ya, I know lots of people believe the A to be brighter, but it's not, trust me. There are even vids on youtube that confirm this. I think the earlier rev B's sound a little different than the later rev B's though, probably due to parts tolerances??

By looking at the guts there are much more similarities to a rev B than a A in the circuit of a A/B.
 
I've had both A and B versions and I couldn't tell a difference between them. I sold them off awhile back but I'm kinda on the lookout for another..

HNAD!!!
 
Just took delivery of a Mesa Mark IV A/B - ie: one of the transitional amps that Mesa built between the Mark IV A and the Mark IV B. The serial number is solidly in the mid 58XXs.

There are a few amps I’d love to add to my shelf (KSR Gemini, Rev F Rectifier, Alta 100, Hellion) but a Mesa Mark wasn’t on the radar.

That said, I spotted this one for sale and did some digging and the idea of grabbing something a little out of the ordinary appealed to me. As I understand it, only a couple hundred of the transitional models were made and I guess not too many of those made it to the UK / Europe.

As I understand it I’m only the third owner and I know that servicing work (including the cap replacements and board clean up) was undertaken by a well known and respected amp tech. It used to be in a rack unit, but Zilla are building me up a headshell.

In case of interest, there’s a gut shot below and it has the 561137 and 562004R transformers. It also has the IV B fx loop.

I am very, very far from being any sort of expert, but from pictures I have seen I can see a fair few similarities to the Mark IV B circuit, a couple of similarities to the Mark IV A circuit and maybe a couple of places where this circuit doesn’t seem to be like either.

I’d be interested to hear from those with more knowledge about where the similarities and differences between this and the IV A and IV B circuits lie and if there are places where this circuit looks like something else (I heard of one A/B amp that had Mark IIC+ features).

It would also be interesting to hear from other A/B transitional amp owners as to whether this circuit is the same as the one in their amp, or whether they have further variations.

The amp sounds great, so all of the above is purely out of curiosity!

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Cheers,

Jimty
I had Zilla build my headshell for my first mark iv and I hated it. They took a lot longer than they quoted which I typically wouldn't care about but it was always "its almost ready should ship out this week" then a couple weeks later the same answer. Kinda bummed me out cause I would absolutely love to have a Zilla cab. Every time I used a modeler or profiler and used a zilla IR it was automatically my favorite thing ever.

I ended up ordering one from Mesa and lived happily ever after. Ended up selling it a year later after getting a new headshell and serviced by Mike B. Two weeks later I ended up buying another one for several hundred more than I sold the previous one for. The heart wants what the heart wants. I was going to sell mine again but thankfully I pulled through so I can keep it. The Mark IV, 6505, and Atla pretty much cover everything I need. .

At anyrate I hope your headshell is more appealing than the one I got first from Zilla. Besides being really late it was too tall and some other weird traits. A guy from Mesa listed about 4 or 5 things that was off about it and I guess they took pity on me and took my order for one direct.
 
I had Zilla build my headshell for my first mark iv and I hated it. They took a lot longer than they quoted which I typically wouldn't care about but it was always "its almost ready should ship out this week" then a couple weeks later the same answer. Kinda bummed me out cause I would absolutely love to have a Zilla cab. Every time I used a modeler or profiler and used a zilla IR it was automatically my favorite thing ever.

I ended up ordering one from Mesa and lived happily ever after. Ended up selling it a year later after getting a new headshell and serviced by Mike B. Two weeks later I ended up buying another one for several hundred more than I sold the previous one for. The heart wants what the heart wants. I was going to sell mine again but thankfully I pulled through so I can keep it. The Mark IV, 6505, and Atla pretty much cover everything I need. .

At anyrate I hope your headshell is more appealing than the one I got first from Zilla. Besides being really late it was too tall and some other weird traits. A guy from Mesa listed about 4 or 5 things that was off about it and I guess they took pity on me and took my order for one direct.
Ah, that’s interesting and good to know. I swapped a few messages with them before ordering and they mentioned they had a Mark IV headshell in the shop, so I hope that measurements etc are going to be OK - not least because I bought a Boogie nameplate from Mesa and asked for pilot holes to be drilled so that I could attach the plate to the front of the amp.

Zilla built me a custom sized cab about two years ago, sized to fit my small box sized Headfirst head with some vertical piping to match. They did a great job with the measurements on that, so I’m hoping they come through on this…

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