For all you "VACCINE IS CAUSING BILLIONS OF DEATHS!!!!" People......

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Aynirar27 said:
Well then that isn’t actually the empathic type is it?
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Clearly that was what the media promoted though -- first line responders are heroes, vaccines are for people who care about others, and the unvaccinated are the enemy.
 
denialist said:
I'm asking why if the "pandemic if the century" hit in 2020, and the vaccine saved us in 2021-22, are the total deaths comparable.
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Ok if you look a prior to pandemic years (maybe 2018, 2019), you'll see a sharp incline in death leading up to 2020. Then post vax you see the sharp incline stop, and begin to go down.

We need to see most recent data to see if were going further down in deaths.
 
Aynirar27 said:
Well then that isn’t actually the empathic type is it?
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Lol, no it isn't.

I'm just saying that a lot of people who claim it was about caring for others sure lost the love quick when those others didn't follow that directive. As I said, even the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel. I am empathetic until you disagree with me seemed to be the general vibe. Others who took it and don't believe in the directives seemed either to lack a voice or to choose to not use it for fear of the same condemnatory treatment.
 
CrazyNutz said:
Then post vax you see the sharp incline stop, and begin to go down.
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No, I'm just looking at 2020-2022. I don't see any sharp decline. Total deaths are comparable. It could be that 5% variation in 2022 is significant, is that what you are suggesting?
 
denialist said:
No, I'm just looking at 2020-2022. I don't see any sharp decline. Total deaths are comparable. It could be that 5% variation in 2022 is significant, is that what you are suggesting?
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If you look at 2019 to 2020 there is a sharp incline in deaths. After the vax that sharp incline stops, and then turns back down (not sharply yet) as you see.

I think we need recent data to see how much of an improvement it made. None the less it put the breaks on the sharp incline in deaths.
 
denialist said:
Clearly that was what the media promoted though -- first line responders are heroes, vaccines are for people who care about others, and the unvaccinated are the enemy.
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We all know the media pretty much blows, so why does it matter?

This whole conflict comes down to personal responsibility. I did not want to get anyone else sick. My circle was my family. At the time it consisted of a new born baby, and my two older parents both prone to pneumonia and other respiratory issues.

I did want to get them sick and I know that I did not.

But ya know what? The more people who got sick, the more people could spread it. Vaccinated or not, if you got sick, you played a role in prolonging it.
I’m not saying people who caught it are “the enemy” or even necessarily irresponsible, but there is no denying that the spread is exponential, and if more people tried harder not to get it, less people would have gotten it.

And I believe that if less people had gotten sick, the bullshit rollout would have been a lot less bullshit

I played my role and I feel good about it.
 
@denialist That site I posted wants me to join now for the full data.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/195920/number-of-deaths-in-the-united-states-since-1990/
I guess it allows you to see it the first time, then bugs you to join after
I added the years on the graph

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Aynirar27 said:
But ya know what? The more people who got sick, the more people could spread it. Vaccinated or not, if you got sick, you played a role in prolonging it.
I’m not saying people who caught it are “the enemy” or even necessarily irresponsible, but there is no denying that the spread is exponential, and if more people tried harder not to get it, less people would have gotten it.
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I sincerely hope this is not your empathy level for people who were the boots on the ground in the medical field.
 
CrazyNutz said:
Alright, so let's hypothetically say the vax did not help. We still don't see the death trending up as we should see if the people claiming the vax is a depopulation death serum are correct.

Which is the scope of this thread.
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If I understand correctly we have maintained a high "Excess death" rate since the pandemic started however. Given what appears the typical mortality trajectory of a respiratory pandemic, shouldn't we consider the vax as a potential culprit, even if it's not a mass population kill-shot?
 
denialist said:
If I understand correctly we have maintained a high "Excess death" rate since the pandemic started however. Given what appears the typical mortality trajectory of a respiratory pandemic, shouldn't we consider the vax as a potential culprit, even if it's not a mass population kill-shot?
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Exactly and how does herd immunity play into that graph?

It's all speculative so we can play it any way we like to support the viewpoint we hold. Pretty much the story of the pandemic summed up. Shut off the news and the pandemic got so much less severe. Amazing.
 
CrazyNutz said:
@denialist That site I posted wants me to join now for the full data.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/195920/number-of-deaths-in-the-united-states-since-1990/
I guess it allows you to see it the first time, then bugs you to join after
I added the years on the graph

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...FFS can someone find annual per capita death rate in a format where we can investigate the source, etc. Ive been trying on google for 10 minutes and it's not as easy as you'd think, oddly.
 
PS I joined for a free account and it still wouldn't show sources, so don't bother.
 
VonBonfire said:
I sincerely hope this is not your empathy level for people who were the boots on the ground in the medical field.
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There is nothing debatable about what I posted. I made sure to say that I didn’t consider anyone the enemy, and that getting sick did not necessarily mean the person is irresponsible.
Of course there are situations where people are “in the line of fire” and more prone to becoming sick, but that isn’t the reason why the virus spread like it did.

Too many people where hung up on their own personal “rights” being infringed upon that they forgot why the topic was even broached in the first place.
I believe that any sensible person wouldn’t go to grandmas house for dinner if they were feeling sick. But as soon as the government tells them that they can’t, they say “fuck you I’ll do what I want”. The sentiment gets lost, and grandma gets sick.

Whether you believe the government overstepped their bounds or not, the core of what they asked of us was not much different than what someone would willingly do on their own to keep a loved one safe. Too many people lost track of that message.
 
Bottom line, no sharp increase in deaths in 2022, which is where you would see all these “Deaths from the vaccine!” ?

Clearly, this vaccine isn’t causing a large number of deaths.
Period.
 
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