DrewJD82
Well-known member
And I apologize for going off. While I can normally maintain a level head, this situation has me a bit fucked up.
This is happening as we speak, this is my sister-
New House Speaker Johnson Goes Christian Nationalist In First Speech
And I apologize for going off. While I can normally maintain a level head, this situation has me a bit fucked up.
This is happening as we speak, this is my sister-
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VonBonfire
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Man really sorry to see this. You guys have my prayers your sister and her co-workers make it home safely. I have the feeling the guy isn't coming in alive so hopefully they get him before he does anything else.
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paulyc
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If they were SO forward thinking how could they possibly be more right AND wrong on the same damn document ??? Typical conservative cherry picking their way through life.
Bad Brain
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why don’t you point out the specific inconsistencies you’re talking about. There’s no logical reason they couldn’t have some good ideas and some bad ones written into the same document.
Thumbpicker
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Well for starters because I'm not from US, I don't have rose coloured glasses when it comes to your constitution. I look at like Western countries in the Anglosphere and don't see the same level of problems. I for one have never thought the US was better and I think my country is a better place to live on the whole. Same standard of living; less of wild west, more land per capita. No cartels or third world poverty like South America, no compulsory tipping because of better minimum wages built into the prices of goods and services as it should be - better price transparency. I also don't like the absolute power vested in your President and prefer the checks and balances in our system of Government. Our Prime Minister is not directly elected. He's the leader of the Party that gets elected and if he goes off the rails he gets turfed out during his term by his own party and replaced.
However having carried on about the better aspects of life here there are some cons that go with it. I think in another thread though Australia was assessed as being marginally more free than the US when everything is considered on some freedom index. Freedom <> guns - that's just one factor and we can still own a gun with a licence - just not any type of gun and of course if you have convictions or apprehended violence orders you can't get one.
So back to your constitution. The founding fathers were forward thinking for their time and the US constitution has served the country pretty well. However, because it's so old now there are things that they could not have considered back then. The founding fathers were also humans not gods - so why would anyone sound thinking person think that they would look at every issue and get it 100% right with no room for improvement as time makes things evolve? and for that matter even at the time they would have taken their best shot and a consensus at what is the best thing to do issue by issue and it's at least somewhat subjective.
So that's the long answer. The short answer is they are human beings and not perfect and their document therefore cannot be 100% perfect. So not cherry picking to win an argument at all. Again, why would anyone think the US constitution is 100% perfect or the people that created it unless you are some irrational and uneducated US ultra-nationalist. In case it's not clear, I feel the same way about Australia's system. It has pros and cons and is not perfect either. Far from it. Very few pieces of human legislation are free from unintended consequences.
JackBootedThug
MURDERATOR
I understand what you’re getting at.
That's old testament. JC changed the game. Thus-if your a Christian-you can't own slaves.
for context about Peter-
After commanding all Christians to submit to every human authority, including emperors, kings, and governors, Peter specifically says the same to Christian servants (or slaves) about their masters. The word used here is not the Greek douli, the classic term for "slaves." Rather, it is oiketai, probably best translated as "servants." That being said, the line between servants and slaves was blurry in Peter's time. Slavery had little to do with race, as modern readers often process the idea, and more to do with economics and social class.
Slaves consisted of those captured in war, those born into slavery as children, and those who had sold themselves into servitude for a set time. Some "slaves" were highly educated and served as artists, accountants, skilled craftsmen, etc. Others worked under terrible conditions (in mines, for example). Many suffered significant abuse; few reasonable legal restrictions existed about the treatment of slaves. Slavery in this era was completely normalized, and a large percentage of Peter's readers in the early Christian church were slaves and/or servants of one kind or another.
Bad Brain
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How old is Australia’s system?
Well, I’d love it if that were the case, but actually, EVERYTHING is regulated here.
JackBootedThug
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Artjr
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Hey stupid ass, dark clouds been here since the day that stupid fuck Biden, you voted for took office. You should shut your fucking mouth, you stupid fuck.
CrazyNutz
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Oh I don't think it had anything to do with race.But no matter the fine line between the interpretation of it being slave or servant all the translations/versions say "submit to your master" and many times it says "with fear" which means yo ass is owned by someone, don't be acting up or else.
The context makes it clear what he's saying here.
Thumbpicker
Well-known member
Exactly. I don't know why I had to waffle on for "x paragraphs" that sums it up.
JohnnyGtar
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Hello,
We still have free speech, so you're entitled to show how brain dead you obviously are. I won't shut up, asshole. Not when the futures of my grandkids and great grandkids are in peril because of treasonous idiots such as yourself who think that a fascist in the White House is a good idea.
When I joined the United States Military, I took an oath, and that oath is for life.
"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
Just so we're clear, I'll spell it out for you: Trump followers, whether they realize it or not are domestic enemies of the Constitution, our Constitutional Republic and the American people.
Knuckledraggers like you would shit on the Constitution if you could.
Trump called for the TERMINATION of the Constitution. FUCK HIM. If you support him after he said THAT, then FUCK YOU.
JohnnyGtar
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JohnnyGtar
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Nooooooooooooo. Minnesota winters are brutal compared to Maine.
JohnnyGtar
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I'm glad to hear that they found the bastard. I hope your family is OK, bro.
Stripped Rights
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Amen!
Or using your followers to overturning the results of a legitimate election with an insurrection. Fuckin grifter!
Stripped Rights
Well-known member
I guess they found him man. Hopefully everything is good with your family and friends. Keep us posted.
Monkey Man
Super Moderator
When I saw that first expletive-filled post I knew something was up. That situation must've done your head in Drew.
So sorry to hear about this mate.
So sorry to hear about this mate.
JohnnyGtar
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Bad Brain
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Well for all you folks who think it’s treasonous to challenge the election—what if it was in fact rigged?
