Yo Von…

[Bad Brain]

I find it kind of sad how many of my countrymen have fallen into unbelief all the while out country unravels. The commonality of faith was kind of the glue that was holding our entire culture together and now that it's been abandoned our nation is falling to pieces and yet no one seems to grasp that. Everyone goes their own way. As the bible says "the people had no king and everyone did what was right in their own eyes" Judges 21:25. It was a time of great difficulty for the nation of Israel. It is a time of great difficulty here and yet no one wants to change course. I wonder if the disaster that awaits will change any minds? I doubt it. They were eating and drinking and marrying until the flood swept them all away, just as in the days of Noah.

Well I agree that our country is in a sad state of affairs. But I also think the idea of a "Christian nation" is probably a myth, even though the culture was largely informed by christianity, as with Western culture in general. And honestly I think that is probably better than what we have today, where everyone is caught up in team sport politics, as the state has replaced God for most. I am actually expecting disaster but will be surprised and pleased if it is averted. Unfortunately not as much eating drinking and marrying as I'd prefer.

 

[VonBonfire]

But I also think the idea of a "Christian nation" is probably a myth,

I would agree on that. It's thrown around too much for starters. Secondly, it's all mainly protestant variety which, since it is pure heresy, is the core problem behind the initial decline to begin with because one lie or distortion begets others. Once you've broken away from the original faith now you have two, three, four and more belief systems and so it starts to disintegrate. There are hundreds of denominations now. Choose your own christian adventure theology book.

But aside all that, even pagan nations had core tenets that were adhered to because people generally were worshipping the same gods,, even be they false ones. Christian nation? No. Zambia has christianity written into their constitution. We are a christian informed nation. I feel that is somewhat more accurate.

 

[Bad Brain]

Secondly, it's all mainly protestant variety which, since it is pure heresy, is the core problem behind the initial decline to begin with because one lie or distortion begets others. Once you've broken away from the original faith now you have two, three, four and more belief systems and so it starts to disintegrate. There are hundreds of denominations now. Choose your own christian adventure theology book.

So the Protestants view the central tenent as Christ as the son of god, salvation and so on. Is that not the same core in Orthodoxy? I believe Protestants might have major beefs about the nature of the church, some doctrinal differences and so on, but they still consider Orthodox and Roman Catholics christians, right? Why do Orthodox not see Protestants as some kind of wayward brothers at the very least? Heretics seems harsh.

 

[VonBonfire]

So the Protestants view the central tenent as Christ as the son of god, salvation and so on. Is that not the same core in Orthodoxy? I believe Protestants might have major beefs about the nature of the church, some doctrinal differences and so on, but they still consider Orthodox and Roman Catholics christians, right? Why do Orthodox not see Protestants as some kind of wayward brothers at the very least? Heretics seems harsh.

Yes, generally that is the core tenet but it deviates heavily after that. For example: protestants will use terms like "saved", which is past tense. I got saved now I can get back to doing whatever it is that I was doing before I was saved. That's kind of reprehensible because it is an ongoing process, something you are supposed to live out daily. It's not one and done. That's not even getting into liturgy, which only lutheranism (the first protestants) has retained a semblance of. Or the welch's grape juice in little plastic cups vs wine and a loaf of real bread, blessed using ritual methods, served on a gold spoon from a gold chalice....I'm just getting started.

Protestants attack orthodoxy on the grounds of idolatry because we reverence (not worship) icons, images of saints, martyrs, Christ, Virgin Mary aka Theotokos. Except that debate was settled like a thousand years ago with the iconoclasts. Your average protestant lacks an understanding of christian history where a lot of their supposed criticisms were addressed ages ago. Even Hank Hannegraff (sp?) the bible answer man converted to orthodoxy, that really exploded some heads.

Some protestants do not see the roman catholic church as christian. I just see them as heretical for a variety of reason I won't got into right yet.

We do see protestants as sort of wayward brothers. There is still some level of camaraderie in the same sense a USMC guy might have some camaraderie with a Army guy until there are a few USMC guys and a few Army guys in the same pub if you catch my drift.

Heresy is a harsh word, but that's what it is. Canon law says we aren't to pray with heretics.

I have to work in the morning I should probably shut up and go pass out, lol. I'll def check back on any of your further posts tomorrow. Great questions you do ask!

 

[VonBonfire]

I probably should've added that there are several heretical orthodox sects, the latest being the Ukranian orhtodox breakaway who are no longer in communiion with the russians and greeks all over political nonsense. Those types of heresies probably hold more disdain than protestant ones just because they are usually striking closer to home.

 

[311boogieman]

I believe in all those things except for the easter bunny. And I"m a contrarian so once you tell me not to pray for you now you gotta problem my man, lol

Not sure how you can't believe in witches at least. Plenty of people practice witchcraft and wicca so it seems kinda obvious to me that witches are real, at least in the sense they believe they are witches.

Fine. I don't believe in witchcraft and the ability to cast spells or any other such nonsense. I also do not believe that people can live past a normal human lifespan. But I do believe that religion has had a tremendous impact on who we are as a society and I can't image where we would be without it. Pure chaos. It just is not for me. But don't worry. I don't cheat, steal, or wish ill will on people and I don't need a book or a faith to tell me how to do things right within my life. Therefore, I do not need to be 'saved' or forgiven so that I can get into some kind of afterlife heaven or whatever. I tell friends not to pray for me because its not going to matter. But I respect the fact that all of these things are important to you and I respect your convictions because I believe that you believe.

 

[Floyd Eye]

I don't believe in gods, spirits, deities, ghosts, devils, Satan, witches, elves, Santa Clause, Easter Bunny, Dracula, vampires, or anything else metaphysical. I get that that probably does not make sense to a lot of you guys but hopefully you will still consider me a friend. But don't pray for me.

Not even Werewolf Jesus ? He only comes if it’s a full moon on Easter. ?

 

[Bad Brain]

I don't cheat, steal, or wish ill will on people and I don't need a book or a faith to tell me how to do things right within my life. Therefore, I do not need to be 'saved' or forgiven so that I can get into some kind of afterlife heaven or whatever.

In Christianity there are more stringent requirements to be considered good, such that everyone has fallen short. So according to Christians, your own standards are useless. These standards come from God and are thus not negotiable or questionable.

 

[311boogieman]

In Christianity there are more stringent requirements to be considered good, such that everyone has fallen short. So according to Christians, your own standards are useless. These standards come from God and are thus not negotiable or questionable.

Example?

 

[VonBonfire]

Example?

It says don't commit adultery but Lord Jesus said if you look upon a woman lustfully, as a sex object, you have already committed adultery in your heart. Jesus relaxed some of the Old Testament standards but upped the ante on others. If you have hated your brother it is as if you murdered him.

 

[Bad Brain]

Right on time.
Anyways, it’s been a fun walk down memory lane, yall are special I’ll give ya that. but I’m gonna go back to treating this section of the forum like a slutty ex that lets you do buttstuff when she’s drunk, and only check in on ya when I’m bored enough.
Cheers fuckbois

You have a habit of stirring up controversy, making absolute statements believing they are incontrovertible, ridiculing any opposition and then running away as “victim” when you get shown up.

 

[Dan Gleesak]

You have a habit of stirring up controversy, making absolute statements believing they are incontrovertible, ridiculing any opposition and then running away as “victim” when you get shown up.

You are one of the special ones I was referring to

 

[Bad Brain]

You are one of the special ones I was referring to

Why do you take it so personally? Who cares if someone doesn’t believe they landed on the moon or questions conventional Astronomy?

 

[Bad Brain]

You react like a devout religious person that has been offended… One that doesn’t really seem to have a deep faith in their beliefs that is…

 

[Dan Gleesak]

Why do you take it so personally? Who cares if someone doesn’t believe they landed on the moon or questions conventional Astronomy?

I don’t take it personally. You seem to though whenever I use not believing in the moon landing as an example of dimwit. Then it just devolves into you trying to prove me wrong, which you never do. Especially since it’s not me you are trying to prove wrong, it’s the entire scientific community that I enjoy learning about. That’s why I tell you to stay in your lane.

The key for me is bowing out before you “drag me down and beat me with experience” so to speak.

If you didn’t try and question everything I post, I reckon we wouldn’t talk very much.

 

[Bad Brain]

I don’t take it personally. You seem to though whenever I use not believing in the moon landing as an example of dimwit. Then it just devolves into you trying to prove me wrong, which you never do. Especially since it’s not me you are trying to prove wrong, it’s the entire scientific community that I enjoy learning about. That’s why I tell you to stay in your lane.

The key for me is bowing out before you “drag me down and beat me with experience” so to speak.

If you didn’t try and question everything I post, I reckon we wouldn’t talk very much.

You say you don't take it personally but you react strongly whenever I challenge your beliefs and then you do insults. I'm not out to prove you wrong, I just offer critiques for why I don't believe a lot of stuff you post. As for the "Whole scientific community" that really depends on the topic, as most dissident voices — especially those with impeccable credentials — are marginalized and suppressed. So when you don't hear those voices, you apparently assume that means "All the experts" agree, which is not the case. Even if all the experts did agree, that doesn't mean that they are right. History has show the incredible stupidity of those who live in insular academic echo chambers, where groupthink and conformity are more important than truth.

 

[Bad Brain]

The key for me is bowing out before you “drag me down and beat me with experience” so to speak.

Seems to me you bow out whenever I show how your thinking is wrong (Which isn't to say that I proved you wrong). For example, you recently asserted that the conventional solar models are "proved" correct because they yield accurate eclipse predictions. When I showed that eclipses can be predicted by other means, thereby showing I was right that the "story" doesn't matter, you distracted with insults and so on.

 

[Ben Waylin]

Seems to me you bow out whenever I show how your thinking is wrong (Which isn't to say that I proved you wrong). For example, you recently asserted that the conventional solar models are "proved" correct because they yield accurate eclipse predictions. When I showed that eclipses can be predicted by other means, thereby showing I was right that the "story" doesn't matter, you distracted with insults and so on.

 

[Dan Gleesak]

Seems to me you bow out whenever I show how your thinking is wrong (Which isn't to say that I proved you wrong). For example, you recently asserted that the conventional solar models are "proved" correct because they yield accurate eclipse predictions. When I showed that eclipses can be predicted by other means, thereby showing I was right that the "story" doesn't matter, you distracted with insults and so on.

Wrong again homie. Predictions of eclipses is just one of many thousands of things that prove “models” are correct. (Fuck I hate that phrase)

You in turn chose an isolated incident as a hairbrained “evidence” against it.

It’s just one of many logical fallacies that you get off on. Like ive told you before, save that shit for Reddit. Next time kindly put on your big boy pants before you engage with me.

 

[Dan Gleesak]

Still struggling with that word I see lol