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[Bad Brain]

The 2A was clearly written in the context for citizens to stand WITH their government AGAINST revolution, internal or external. Again, no amount of Matrix-level weaponry would last 15 minutes against a coordinated and concerted Government strike. It’d be like trying to fight a nuke with a cigarette lighter, something more Americans need to wake up to.

I think you’ve been explained this before, but it’s just not true. America was formed in revolution after all. The unification of the people is regarding ideals and principles — not political bodies. And you’re right, clearly a bomb is a more powerful weapon. But incinerating a population is not the same as subjugating one. And subjugating a population is a heck of a lot more difficult if the population is armed.

 

[Bad Brain]

I should add the caveat that rulers have managed to subjugate the American population with propaganda and psychological manipulation, guns or not, so it’s kind of a moot point. But there is always a hope that people wake the fuck up one of these days.

 

[Floyd Eye]

I think you’ve been explained this before, but it’s just not true. America was formed in revolution after all. The unification of the people is regarding ideals and principles — not political bodies. And you’re right, clearly a bomb is a more powerful weapon. But incinerating a population is not the same as subjugating one. And subjugating a population is a heck of a lot more difficult if the population is armed.

And that's assuming the majority of the military would blindly obey their leaders when they're given an order to attack their own countrymen, family members, etc. Which is asinine.

It also discounts the original intent of the 2A which is that the citizenry should be as well armed as the government. There is a hell of a lot more of us than there are of them. The fact that our government ( and governments in general) have usurped power for so long that they have become these all powerful entities that can and will subjugate their citizenry is precisely what the framers intended to prevent.

During the American revolution the citizenry was better armed than the government. The idea that the arms held by citizens should be limited by government is exactly what the 2A was designed to prevent. And every time the military trots out the newest, technologically advanced weapons such as the new military rifles currently replacing the M4, which citizens are forbidden to own, we get further away from what the framers intended.

So in a sense Jdel is correct. We have fucked ourselves by ever entertaining the notion that we should "Prioritize keeping guns out of the hands of lunatics who would shoot up a school over our god given constitutional rights". So at this point we need a time machine to go back to 1938 and take out some traitorous cock suckers who used stopping the mafia as an excuse to forever and irrevocably damage our ability to insure we always live as free men and not subjects. What I can't figure out is why people who are subjects spend so much time trying to convince everyone how great it is to be subjugated.

 

[Bad Brain]

What I can't figure out is why people who are subjects spend so much time trying to convince everyone how great it is to be subjugated.

It’s the human psyche. I recognize there are legitimate reasons one could argue for the restraints imposed on individual freedoms, but humans generally naturally want to be free, so at some point there is a disconnect. I dunno though, maybe it makes people feel safe, even when they’re being abused? In the words of Etienne de la Botie, our servitude is voluntary.

 

[Thumbpicker]

We're not subjugated. I'm just not that interested in guns and nor are most people here. Unless you are killing someone there's not much point to them. That's what they were designed for. Other than that pointing them at a target and firing them repetitively to me is boring as hell. OK that one drifted slightly to the left... adjust my sights... ok that one is better. Hmmm nice grouping... Really? boring...

May as well sit down and conjugate some verbs... Motorcycles are more fun than guns - at least you get some adrenaline...

 

[Bad Brain]

We're not subjugated. I'm just not that interested in guns and nor are most people here. Unless you are killing someone there's not much point to them. That's what they were designed for. Other than that pointing them at a target and firing them repetitively to me is boring as hell. OK that one drifted slightly to the left... adjust my sights... ok that one is better. Hmmm nice grouping... Really? boring...

May as well sit down and conjugate some verbs... Motorcycles are more fun than guns - at least you get some adrenaline...

You're not subjugated but you're not allowed the means to defend yourself?

 

[Thumbpicker]

You're not subjugated but you're not allowed the means to defend yourself?

What do you call a knife or a cricket bat or a club or a mace or machette or whatever.

 

[JackBootedThug]

We're not subjugated. I'm just not that interested in guns and nor are most people here. Unless you are killing someone there's not much point to them. That's what they were designed for. Other than that pointing them at a target and firing them repetitively to me is boring as hell. OK that one drifted slightly to the left... adjust my sights... ok that one is better. Hmmm nice grouping... Really? boring...

May as well sit down and conjugate some verbs... Motorcycles are more fun than guns - at least you get some adrenaline...

Ohh you sweet summer child…. I get it, they’re not your thing. It’s cultural. It’s the same here. I never realized it until I went to fletc and over half of my class had never held a gun. Scary to me anyway.

 

[Bad Brain]

What do you call a knife or a cricket bat or a club or a mace or machette or whatever.

 

[jdel77]

And that's assuming the majority of the military would blindly obey their leaders when they're given an order to attack their own countrymen, family members, etc. Which is asinine.

Happens all the time in every country.
A minority of fat senators are prioritised over the proletariat.

It also discounts the original intent of the 2A which is that the citizenry should be as well armed as the government. There is a hell of a lot more of us than there are of them. The fact that our government ( and governments in general) have usurped power for so long that they have become these all powerful entities that can and will subjugate their citizenry is precisely what the framers intended to prevent.

During the American revolution the citizenry was better armed than the government. The idea that the arms held by citizens should be limited by government is exactly what the 2A was designed to prevent. And every time the military trots out the newest, technologically advanced weapons such as the new military rifles currently replacing the M4, which citizens are forbidden to own, we get further away from what the framers intended.

Bingo. Time to Amend your Amendment?

So in a sense Jdel is correct. We have fucked ourselves by ever entertaining the notion that we should "Prioritize keeping guns out of the hands of lunatics who would shoot up a school over our god given constitutional rights". So at this point we need a time machine to go back to 1938 and take out some traitorous cock suckers who used stopping the mafia as an excuse to forever and irrevocably damage our ability to insure we always live as free men and not subjects. What I can't figure out is why people who are subjects spend so much time trying to convince everyone how great it is to be subjugated.

That's what I'm saying - if the 2A was worth a hoot then as tech progressed and so did Government arms, that should have been made available to the general public.
Which is where the problem lies - I've never understood why the average pro-gun American is so keen to hang onto an Amendment which inherently disadvantages them. Your government has drones and missiles, and you're fighting for the right to retain comparitive pea shooters.

So why not allow citizens drones and missiles then? Can you imagine the carnage if a handful of nutcases got their hands on those?
> Precisely why the average Aussie isn't interested in having gun laws changed here.

 

[Floyd Eye]

- I've never understood why the average pro-gun American is so keen to hang onto an Amendment which inherently disadvantages them. Your government has drones and missiles, and you're fighting for the right to retain comparitive pea shooters.

So why not allow citizens drones and missiles then? Can you imagine the carnage if a handful of nutcases got their hands on those?
> Precisely why the average Aussie isn't interested in having gun laws changed here.

First, because it's what we have left and we are fighting continually to get back to where it started. Second and perhaps more importantly, I don't think many people envision using their guns to kill public officials or fight off the government. Democrat and progressive policies have largely left predators on the streets for decades now and if those pieces of shit have guns ( and they do) it's pretty fucked up for someone to try to take them away from law abiding citizens.

If every time some piece of shit murdered someone, robbed someone at gun point, raped someone, shot up a school, used drones or missiles to terrorize someone or commit a violent crime, they were summarily executed, like they should be, it wouldn't be an issue.

 

[Thumbpicker]

If every time some piece of shit murdered someone, robbed someone at gun point, raped someone, shot up a school, used drones or missiles to terrorize someone or commit a violent crime, they were summarily executed, like they should be, it wouldn't be an issue.

I agree with that with the complication that I don't trust your justice system to get the verdict right so you'd be executing a lot of innocent people as well.

 

[Floyd Eye]

I agree with that with the complication that I don't trust your justice system to get the verdict right so you'd be executing a lot of innocent people as well.

I suppose your justice system would get it right eh ?

Regardless of what the media tells you, it's pretty god damn rare for someone to be convicted of a murder they didn't commit. Way more often murderers go uncharged.

 

[Bad Brain]

By the way @jdel77 , Hamas doesn't have all that much more than AK's and looks to me like they're winning. In other words, sure — governments can level cities and blow up little children but they just coming off looking like real jerks, to quote Norm McDonald.

 

[Thumbpicker]

I suppose your justice system would get it right eh ?

Did I say that? Everyone knows that's the flaw of wholesale capital punishment anywhere it's implemented. FFS.... One of the main reasons we don't have it here is that though. Even if I'd like to see it brought back. I'd also like to see public floggings brought back for things like theft.

Regardless of what the media tells you, it's pretty god damn rare for someone to be convicted of a murder they didn't commit. Way more often murderers go uncharged.

Maybe - stuff the innocent ones eh...

 

[Floyd Eye]

Did I say that? Everyone knows that's the flaw of wholesale capital punishment anywhere it's implemented. FFS.... One of the main reasons we don't have it here is that though. Even if I'd like to see it brought back. I'd also like to see public floggings brought back for things like theft.

Maybe - stuff the innocent ones eh...

I’d settle for just quickly and unceremoniously executing the ones we know are guilty. Making prison extremely uncomfortable. You know, having dire consequences for being caught being a piece of shit.

 

[Bad Brain]

 

[MadAsAHatter]

 

[billsbigego]

I'd like to get into guns, but I'm at least smart enough to know I shouldn't have one. What would interest me the most is building and wrenching and swapping parts. The shooting targets aspect to me is kind of meh. I think archery would be more my style. But I can't really get into another hobby. I go full tard when I get into something, so I have to be careful.

 

[JackBootedThug]

I'd like to get into guns, but I'm at least smart enough to know I shouldn't have one. What would interest me the most is building and wrenching and swapping parts. The shooting targets aspect to me is kind of meh. I think archery would be more my style. But I can't really get into another hobby. I go full tard when I get into something, so I have to be careful.

Target shooting is a blast. Many different varieties. I enjoy the training from the more tactical side. Training is good because you revert to it naturally in a stressful situation. Training can save you. Training and conditioning can also put you in a bad spot as well. My family knows it’s not a good idea to scare me because I might do something dumb accidentally. The thing about guns is they can lead into many different areas. Building and modifying. Hunting and possibly archery. Skeet. Reloading…etc…hell even collecting. Like I said before it’s cultural. As a hillbilly from WV, I’m going to have a different view than someone from Boston, Chicago or LA….they are a part of our lives here. My grandparents raised me on roughly a $700/month income so hunting and gardening were pretty important for us. Fishing also. Modern day foraging…lol…just how it was. And you didn’t waste ammunition and you took care of your shit.