TheGreatGreen
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Oh so you're one of those christians who goes straight hurling insults the minute their world view is questioned. Anybody who doesn't believe exactly like you "must" be on drugs or crazy, huh? Got it. Careful, your religious doubt is showing, otherwise you'd be able to have a civilized conversation.
Let me tell you something. To paraphrase a famous comedian, "There are thousands of religions and gods made up by humans. Out of all those thousands, I just happen to believe in one less than you do, so if you think about it, you're nearly as much of an atheist as I am."
Also you're throwing out so many tired and beaten-to-death logical fallacies I don't even know where to begin.
You just assume your specific god must exist because "things exist, so an intelligence had to make them." You're using the classic watchmaker argument. It's a terrible argument. For one, it doesn't argue for your specific god, only "a" prime creator. However it also demands another question to be asked. "Who made god?" which you cannot answer. It also, by the way, vastly simplifies the notion of complexity. It assumes that anything we don't understand MUST be sufficiently complex enough to be impossible to naturally occur. In other words, it must exist because "God did it." That's called the "god of the gaps" theory because it just blindly attributes the cause of all the gaps in our knowledge to god's influence, but its logical conclusion is that as we learn more and more about the universe, god's influence will shrink until it is no longer necessary for the universe to work. BTW, speaking of that, we already know how every element in the universe was created. Every element in the universe (except for hydrogen and some helium) was created inside stars, due to the process of fission, even all the atoms in your body. The Hydrogen and and some helium in the universe were created during the big bang. But I wouldn't know anything about that because according to you I must be just some uneducated drug addict, right?
You also say "people can't have a conscious without God, meaning people couldn't be 'good' without God, and so civilization couldn't exist without God." That is one of the oldest religious apologist arguments in the book. You then claim that no science can explain that. That's nonsense. "Science" or more specifically "psychology" can easily explain this. You have empathy. I have empathy. We both inherently know that hurting others causes pain and is wrong, so we don't do it. You don't need a god for that. Pretty simple, really.
Another famous figure who didn't believe in any religion was once asked "if you don't believe in God, then why don't you rape and murder all you want?" And his answer was "Well, I DO rape and murder as much as I want, and that amount is none. I don't want to rape or murder anybody. Most people don't need the threat of infinite punishment to dissuade them from committing constant atrocities." I think anybody who needs a god constantly supervising them, other wise they would rape and murder constantly is a seriously broken psychopath of a person. Every time you look at a hot woman on the street, do you honestly think "man I would definitely rape her right now if only I wouldn't get sent to hell later." I'd be willing to bet you probably don't think that. Or maybe you're a completely fucked up and broken person who does think that, I don't know. If that's the case then I'm glad there is a made-up story out there that will stop you from hurting people.
Moving onto you bringing up evolution... It's also obvious you also have zero idea how science currently understands evolution to work. It honestly sound like your understanding of evolution is limited to what some idiot teacher at a christian school taught you in a religious apologetics class.
"Evolution" doesn't mean "things always get 'better'." First of all "better" is a subjective word. It's a human construct. Evolution doesn't always make things smarter, faster, or stronger. Evolution is broadly understood to work in the following way: "things will tend to genetically mutate or subtly change over time and if those mutations make them more successfully able to reproduce in their environment, then those traits will take over the species. If two groups become separate and they evolve in different directions to the point they can no longer reproduce with each other, then now you have two different species. If a species is in balance with its environment, then any mutations or changes will likely be maladaptive and as such the species will probably stay as it is" That's evolution.
Evolution also happens in humans on VASTLY longer timescales than what you're talking about. Modern humans have existed in roughly their current state for the last hundred to several hundred thousand years. Your talk about "people becoming less evolved because of google maps and spell check" doesn't make sense. However, individuals can adapt to their environments. Adaptability is a factor in any organism's success, and people tend to be pretty good about it. And if you ask me, if a person can recognize that they can get something else to give them directions, meaning they don't have to waste energy thinking about that, well that seems like a decent adaptation so long as the environment stays stable (meaning they don't lose access to GPS). But if they do, they'll likely adapt back to doing what they did beforehand.
As for your last comment about me never having studied the bible... welp, wrong again, like most everything else in your post. I've spend most of my life studying the bible and other religions like it. I've come to the conclusion that the christian god as most people understand it is simply impossible. I don't mean "amazing" either. I mean "the existence of the christian god is paradoxical and cannot exist." Hell just look up the Epicurean Paradox or "the problem of evil" for the simplest logical exercise regarding that.
In other words, please continue on in ignorance if you want, but nobody with a brain is going to listen to you. At this point, nothing you said has been logical or educated enough to deserve respect. Say something intelligent and maybe we'll have something to discuss between us.
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