Redefining Language

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I've already answered your original question about the definition of a mutant.
My question wasn't about the definition of a mutant. It’s whether it is scientifically proper to call intersex individuals “mutants” for the purpose of classifying biological sex. By definition “mutant” isn’t a category of biological sex, so it could be understood as meaning “no definable biological sex” in this context. But my contention is that isn’t scientifically accurate, at least in cases such as Turners and Kinefelters syndrome, which affect females and males, respectively.
 
My question wasn't about the definition of a mutant. It’s whether it is scientifically proper to call intersex individuals “mutants” for the purpose of classifying biological sex. By definition “mutant” isn’t a category of biological sex, so it could be understood as meaning “no definable biological sex” in this context. But my contention is that isn’t scientifically accurate, at least in cases such as Turners and Kinefelters syndrome, which affect females and males, respectively.
A mutant implies someone mutated to their current form and those who have been born with both sets of organs didn't mutate, the stork just delivered 'em that way.
 
Ay-ay-ay. Talk about going in circles. Let's just recap for those watching. This debate concerns A) whether "intersex" people (As defined in the excerpt you linked) should be allowed to compete in the Olympics and B), whether "mutant" is the accurate classification of biological sex for those more commonly understood to be intersex.

Regarding A), you argued that "mutants" should be barred from competing in the Olympics. You never justified this position or clarified what degree or type of mutation would preclude one from competing. Given that mutations may not produce detectable changes in the phenotype of an organism (The so-called mutant), and that chromosomal mutations such as Turner and Klinefelter syndromes affect females and males respectively, one gets the sense that your view is instead rooted in personal disgust about the intersex condition rather than the question of fairness to other athletes.

That brings us to B). While perhaps technically accurate, "mutant" is generally a pejorative term. But more importantly you still haven't defended it's application as a classification for biological sex. "Mutant" would also include conditions such as Down syndrome or Sickle cell anemia, neither of which relate to biological sex. It seems that instead of providing accessible references, you'd prefer to write walls of text babbling about nothing, feigning exasperation and intellectual superiority, and then throw in the occasional "neuroscience 2nd edition", which as it turns out doesn't even support what you're arguing.

So what now, more cat pics?

So, you obviously still didn't read it since it does, and I absolutely "clarified to which degree someone should compete". You stretch to the furthest fantasy straw grasping possible and attempt to put more words in my mouth followed by saying that I'm babbling about nothing? I thought you were playing mental gymnastics, but it turns out that you're just an idiot.

To recap for those watching; Anyone has the ability to read this thread. Just because you're upset for being called a mutant due to your condition doesn't mean that your fantasy bullshit suddenly becomes reality. "One gets the view" :ROFLMAO: Holy, you can't make this stuff up. What a fucking joke.
 
My question wasn't about the definition of a mutant. It’s whether it is scientifically proper to call intersex individuals “mutants” for the purpose of classifying biological sex. By definition “mutant” isn’t a category of biological sex, so it could be understood as meaning “no definable biological sex” in this context. But my contention is that isn’t scientifically accurate, at least in cases such as Turners and Kinefelters syndrome, which affect females and males, respectively.
Sounds like you're answering your own question, except that it's not "no definable biological sex", but rather having reproductive traits of both male and female.
In humans the term I learned was hermaphrodite and is a mutation because having reproductive organs or traits of both sexes isn't inherent in the species.
While "mutant" isn't an official classification of anything really; it's not inaccurate to say an organism with a mutation is a mutant.
The new more PC term is intersex, but the original definition doesn't really apply here.
Intersex as I learned it was originally used for organisms that either naturally (as a species, not an individual) have reproductive organs of both sexes and/or could naturally change sex. Certain species of frogs are a good example of this.
 
So you believe that mutations occur only after something is born? Am I reading this right?
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Sounds like you're answering your own question, except that it's not "no definable biological sex", but rather having reproductive traits of both male and female.
If one has traits of both male and female then the organism as a whole is not definable — are they male or female? If you're saying they are definable according to primary criteria such as the inclusion of a Y chromosome, then we wouldn't be having this debate.
 
So, you obviously still didn't read it since it does, and I absolutely "clarified to which degree someone should compete".
You said that one has to be 100% pure male or female to compete in their respective categories. What is your criteria and how would you test for that? What is even the purpose if the goal is fairness? Your insults and vagueness really don't help your case.
 
You said that one has to be 100% pure male or female to compete in their respective categories. What is your criteria and how would you test for that? What is even the purpose if the goal is fairness? Your insults and vagueness really don't help your case.
Case? :ROFLMAO: At this point I would be an idiot myself to continue going around in circles with you. You're more than welcome to go back an reread all of the things you either misunderstood or are purposefully misrepresenting having been said to suit your multi-page ranting over a correct term.
 
Case? :ROFLMAO: At this point I would be an idiot myself to continue going around in circles with you. You're more than welcome to go back an reread all of the things you either misunderstood or are purposefully misrepresenting having been said to suit your multi-page ranting over a correct term.

I don’t think he’s the one going in circles. He has asked the same question several times and received a different, vaguely relevant response each time.
 
If one has traits of both male and female then the organism as a whole is not definable — are they male or female? If you're saying they are definable according to primary criteria such as the inclusion of a Y chromosome, then we wouldn't be having this debate.
Dude, I can't learn this for you. It's not that difficult to grasp. It's easy to find material on the subject and educate yourself to have a basic understanding.

Why not? At what point are they a mutant?
Based on the ridiculousness of this question I think you're being purposefully obtuse.
 
I don’t think he’s the one going in circles. He has asked the same question several times and received a different, vaguely relevant response each time.

"He" received "his" answer the very first time.
Zero vagueness involved.
Thanks for your input.
 
well it seems hermaphrodites do exist;

In humans, true hermaphroditism is a rare disorder of sexual differentiation (DSD) that occurs when an individual has both ovarian and testicular tissue. The tissue may be separate or combined into an ovotestis. People with true hermaphroditism also have sex chromosomes that show male-female mosaicism, meaning they have both XY and XX chromosome pairs. True hermaphroditism is only about 5% of all DSD cases, but it's more common in Southern Africa.

TL, DR: if you have a Y, you're a guy.
 
well it seems hermaphrodites do exist;

In humans, true hermaphroditism is a rare disorder of sexual differentiation (DSD) that occurs when an individual has both ovarian and testicular tissue. The tissue may be separate or combined into an ovotestis. People with true hermaphroditism also have sex chromosomes that show male-female mosaicism, meaning they have both XY and XX chromosome pairs. True hermaphroditism is only about 5% of all DSD cases, but it's more common in Southern Africa.

TL, DR: if you have a Y, you're a guy.

So if you have XY but also a vagina, what restroom should you use?
 
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