Sunlight And Clouds Drive the Earth's Climate

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acceptance said:
NOT co2!

https://www.zerohedge.com/weather/s...drive-earths-climate-shocking-new-study-finds

“In our paper, we show, using the best available observations from the [Clouds and the Earth’s Radiant Energy System] platform, that the warming of the last 24 years was entirely caused by the observed decrease of Earth’s albedo and not by increasing greenhouse gas concentrations as claimed by the IPCC.”
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The article I linked near the bottom of my space thread, which was largely ignored or mocked, was mentioning some things about high clouds and dust affecting the twilight on Mars. Maybe not relevant to this topic, but I thought it was interesting.
 
I know yall want me to chime in, and I will when I have a chance to thoroughly read it.

But right off the bat, the headline is not looking good lol
 
Dan Gleesak said:
I know yall want me to chime in, and I will when I have a chance to thoroughly read it.

But right off the bat, the headline is not looking good lol
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Feel free to send the govt more money to tackle climate change. You wont though....
 
acceptance said:
“Shocking” ? ?!
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I have always stressed that CO2 isn’t important because it’s the largest factor in climate change, but because it’s the one that we can reduce.
CO2 shouldn’t be billed as “the driving factor” because it’s misleading.
 
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Man I’m gonna have to read this in the morning when I’m more awake. Once they got to moon temps it became a word salad to me. Lots of bold claims though
 
Isn't weird how they pump C02 into green houses?

Like you need it to grow food ...................

Soon, water and sunlight will cause global warming too.

Also, the ocean that covers most of our planet emits C02, ocean blankets?
 
Geo said:
Isn't weird how they pump C02 into green houses?

Like you need it to grow food ...................

Soon, water and sunlight will cause global warming too.

Also, the ocean that covers most of our planet emits C02, ocean blankets?
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Well if you’ve been following along, water vapor makes up like half of “greenhouse gasses” and studies such as the one acceptance posted are focusing on the sunlight’s effect on the earth, to build upon the already known Milankovitch cycles
 
Dan Gleesak said:
Well if you’ve been following along, water vapor makes up like half of “greenhouse gasses” and studies such as the one acceptance posted are focusing on the sunlight’s effect on the earth, to build upon the already known Milankovitch cycles
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Do you not realize that you just bunked the whole gobernment agenda on global warming?
 
Geo said:
It's the Devil's Lettuce again.
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It’s not cut and dry. There are things that retain heat and there are things that reflect heat. There are things that happen naturally and things humans do to contribute to the warming.
Greenhouse gases trap heat. Increased human activity creates greenhouse gases that trap heat. Warmer temps create more a water vapor. Water vapor in turn traps more heat.
Ice caps reflect heat. Warmer temps make ice caps smaller so less heat is reflected. Less reflected heat means more heat to be trapped. It’s a feedback loop.

Temps are rising faster than normal. The rise in the last couple hundred years has historically taken thousands of years.

There is not a single “fix”. Man made contributions are importance because if we can make them, we can stop them.
 
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Dan Gleesak said:
Greenhouse gases trap heat
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Not sure if you read yet but the study authors call this into question:

“CO2 is an invisible trace gas that does not interfere with sunlight. It’s believed to trap thermal radiation coming from the surface, but that’s a misconception because the absorption of longwave radiation by CO2 and heat-trapping are completely different physical processes. According to the 2nd law of thermodynamics, heat-trapping is impossible in an open system such as the atmosphere,” Nikolov said.
 
Temps rose as fast as the past 40 years around 1890-late 1930s. Then there was a reduction in global temps from then until the late 1970s. Now temps are (supposedly) rising again.
Industrial output/man made CO2 was of course way worse 1890s-1930s than the next dacades which saw huge increase in CO2 output, but those temps went down.

There's also the problem that measuring devices have changed radically over the past 50 years. And a lot of these sciencetards will compare data sets that were done with mercury thermometers 100 years ago to current satellite IR data. And if the old data set doesn't fit their narrative, they will just say 'oh, that reading was probably bad, so we need to do some science shit on it (IE noodly bullshit subjective math) to make it fit our narrative...of course when it does fit the narrative, then that data is all good. Or they will make up datasets from the past using subjective noodly math in order to compare. So many assumptions in these equations that they are as good as useless, it's here that they can inject whatever narrative they want (in the assumptive parts).

You have ice cores, which are used for this 'temps are rising faster than ever' bullshit, but the difference in temp differentiation is so small, that there is no way to accurately plot that to within a tenth of a degree as they claim using ice core samples.
 
acceptance said:
Not sure if you read yet but the study authors call this into question:

“CO2 is an invisible trace gas that does not interfere with sunlight. It’s believed to trap thermal radiation coming from the surface, but that’s a misconception because the absorption of longwave radiation by CO2 and heat-trapping are completely different physical processes. According to the 2nd law of thermodynamics, heat-trapping is impossible in an open system such as the atmosphere,” Nikolov said.
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It's so retarded.
If you had a greenhouse with a filter system on it, that removed CO2 down to our current atmospheric 400 ppm instead of the 1000-1500ppm greenhouses run at, do these people think that that temps inside that greenhouse would not be higher?
 
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