Cameron modded Marshall

Bram576 said:
I think Dave Friedman is pretty reputable and servicing the amp did the job.

If you think that has no low end because you’re judging it on an iPhone speaker. I just got nothing for you man, sorry.
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If you say the amp has guts and balls in the room and it’s not a recording issue I believe you. Congrats on the amp :thumbsup:
 
interesting, that is more hair and a different gain structure than i could get with my mig. the low end is right where most of my clips are isolated from mixes though, which just isnt gonna thrill in the room guys
 
RaceU4her said:
interesting, that is more hair and a different gain structure than i could get with my mig. the low end is right where most of my clips are isolated from mixes though, which just isnt gonna thrill in the room guys
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Yep, that's the crux here

Lots of people are used to iPhone recordings which have an insane amount of compression to simulate the low end you hear in the room

Popular YouTube guys like Ola and Fluff combine close mics with high end ribbon and condenser mics to make a "hifi" representation of this "in the room sound" which has created one expectation of what things sound like

That sound is a completely different sound than the actual sound that is on tape in all the recordings everyone tries to emulate.

Even shit like Pantera or Master of Puppets sounds unbelievably thin to people nowadays if you listen to a single rhythm guitar track.

Part of the magic of creating super low end heavy metal rhythm tracks is multi tracking tons of times. Because the low end isn't additive, it's exponentially additive.

That's why shit that sounds "huge" on records is rather disappointing by itself, and why certain tones are "impossible" to recreate.

People like amp chaser chase the EVH tone but they aren't chasing the studio gear that actually creates the sound theyre hearing. They don't understand that you start out with a "thin" sound and then it melds with the mix/bass to become the "big" sound you hear in the final product
 
DanTravis62 said:
Yep, that's the crux here

Lots of people are used to iPhone recordings which have an insane amount of compression to simulate the low end you hear in the room

Popular YouTube guys like Ola and Fluff combine close mics with high end ribbon and condenser mics to make a "hifi" representation of this "in the room sound" which has created one expectation of what things sound like

That sound is a completely different sound than the actual sound that is on tape in all the recordings everyone tries to emulate.

Even shit like Pantera or Master of Puppets sounds unbelievably thin to people nowadays if you listen to a single rhythm guitar track.

Part of the magic of creating super low end heavy metal rhythm tracks is multi tracking tons of times. Because the low end isn't additive, it's exponentially additive.

That's why shit that sounds "huge" on records is rather disappointing by itself, and why certain tones are "impossible" to recreate.

People like amp chaser chase the EVH tone but they aren't chasing the studio gear that actually creates the sound theyre hearing. They don't understand that you start out with a "thin" sound and then it melds with the mix/bass to become the "big" sound you hear in the final product
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All of this yep.

Guitar players are awful at deciphering what a bass guitar is doing in a recording vs an electric guitar. Add that with everyone trying to judge on an iPhone… here we are. I mean for most amp references at this point I can pull up a video from draven, on my iPhone can’t tell really what’s going on, then take it to my car stereo and I can tell EXACTLY how the amp is going to sound for me. You just don’t get an accurate frequency representation out of a phone, and saying otherwise is bull shit. Because it literally has a frequency range that it cuts off on the low end and the high end. I mean guys on YouTube literally use plug-ins now that focus on the low end peak of an iPhone so their audience doesn’t bitch lol.

hell it took me forever to figure stuff out. Playing in bands, several pro recordings, etc. you crank up that low end a ton, with a bass player, and a kick drum your band is going to sound like a big fart. Do the right amount in each area, sounds huge, and clear.

I remember Dave otero getting shit a while back by a bunch of people on YouTube about a mix he did, saying it’s so thin and blah blah blah. Then you go out to a car listen to that and it’s so much low end it’s like a constant gut punch lol. Same guys giving him shit are in the nail the mix stuff and other YouTube channels questioning why they can’t get their mixes loud and clear, why does it sound like there’s a blanket over their guitar, or why do they sound so wooly. Swear you just can’t win.
 
DanTravis62 said:
Yep, that's the crux here

Lots of people are used to iPhone recordings which have an insane amount of compression to simulate the low end you hear in the room

Popular YouTube guys like Ola and Fluff combine close mics with high end ribbon and condenser mics to make a "hifi" representation of this "in the room sound" which has created one expectation of what things sound like

That sound is a completely different sound than the actual sound that is on tape in all the recordings everyone tries to emulate.

Even shit like Pantera or Master of Puppets sounds unbelievably thin to people nowadays if you listen to a single rhythm guitar track.

Part of the magic of creating super low end heavy metal rhythm tracks is multi tracking tons of times. Because the low end isn't additive, it's exponentially additive.

That's why shit that sounds "huge" on records is rather disappointing by itself, and why certain tones are "impossible" to recreate.

People like amp chaser chase the EVH tone but they aren't chasing the studio gear that actually creates the sound theyre hearing. They don't understand that you start out with a "thin" sound and then it melds with the mix/bass to become the "big" sound you hear in the final product
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Remember 20 + years ago when KSE “Rose of Sharon” became an overnight holy grail tone to chase because of how “huge” it seemed compared to the old classic tones? Meh, it’s not bad I guess but I never got the obsession. Probably because tones that are overly thick don’t work for my playing.
 
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Also, here’s this because I know I’m going to get asked lol. Not a ton of goop.
 
Bram576 said:
All of this yep.

Guitar players are awful at deciphering what a bass guitar is doing in a recording vs an electric guitar. Add that with everyone trying to judge on an iPhone… here we are. I mean for most amp references at this point I can pull up a video from draven, on my iPhone can’t tell really what’s going on, then take it to my car stereo and I can tell EXACTLY how the amp is going to sound for me. You just don’t get an accurate frequency representation out of a phone, and saying otherwise is bull shit. Because it literally has a frequency range that it cuts off on the low end and the high end. I mean guys on YouTube literally use plug-ins now that focus on the low end peak of an iPhone so their audience doesn’t bitch lol.

hell it took me forever to figure stuff out. Playing in bands, several pro recordings, etc. you crank up that low end a ton, with a bass player, and a kick drum your band is going to sound like a big fart. Do the right amount in each area, sounds huge, and clear.

I remember Dave otero getting shit a while back by a bunch of people on YouTube about a mix he did, saying it’s so thin and blah blah blah. Then you go out to a car listen to that and it’s so much low end it’s like a constant gut punch lol. Same guys giving him shit are in the nail the mix stuff and other YouTube channels questioning why they can’t get their mixes loud and clear, why does it sound like there’s a blanket over their guitar, or why do they sound so wooly. Swear you just can’t win.
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It's the difference in knowledge from non-overlapping magisteria - even PLAYING the guitar and knowing tone in the room is wildly different from tones on records

I get the same thing, all the time i.e. "this tone sounds thin"

I could certainly make my recordings sound huge in the iPhone/YouTube way if I wanted to, but I'm way more concerned with how things sound on a record - and that's a wildly different thing

It's just a side effect of the endless battle: tones that work for selling amps versus tones that work for making music
thegame said:
Remember 20 + years ago when KSE “Rose of Sharon” became an overnight holy grail tone to chase because of how “huge” it seemed compared to the old classic tones? Meh, it’s not bad I guess but I never got the obsession. Probably because tones that are overly thick don’t work for my playing.
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I fucking hate that sound and band lol I'm the wrong person to ask

Sounds like mallcore to me
 
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I concur with the woofy bottom & buzz.
Your PCB standoffs are missing their nutts. Total sign of sloppy work.
Dont even know why cuz most solder connections are "tack welded" on top.
 
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Kapo_Polenton said:
Concur with a lot of the others, that does not sound that great at all. Too bass heavy which sounds like whatever tweaks were made in the preamp, someone forgot to ditch the excess bass that came with it. It is bass heavy and buzzy. Bees in a can with a fat ass.
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Fat amps need love too. I don’t discriminate.
 
That tone is literally polar opposite of bass heavy and woofy? As the guys who actually record have all said, that’s gonna sound killer in a mix. I’d like to hear it with passives as I’m sure mark tuned it around
 
RaceU4her said:
That tone is literally polar opposite of bass heavy and woofy? As the guys who actually record have all said, that’s gonna sound killer in a mix. I’d like to hear it with passives as I’m sure mark tuned it around
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At the beginning, when it is double-tracked, it sounds slightly thin but later the lows are mush and over distorted.
 
RaceU4her said:
That tone is literally polar opposite of bass heavy and woofy? As the guys who actually record have all said, that’s gonna sound killer in a mix. I’d like to hear it with passives as I’m sure mark tuned it around
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yeah, the same tones were used. Just double tracked lmao.

I understand every time I get a bees in a can comment it’s by guys who don’t listen to actual metal and should probably just stay on the gear page. But that’s okay. I understand why you usually only post full mixes here, because guys don’t know any different.
 
Bram576 said:
Are you listening on an iPhone
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I like it. It's one of your best Clips so far. But i'm always listening with my AKG K271 MK2 Headphones. Also: People forget that it's just 1 Snapshot.
Could you Dial the Pick-Attack out a little if you wanted to?
 
Bram576 said:
yeah, the same tones were used. Just double tracked lmao.

I understand every time I get a bees in a can comment it’s by guys who don’t listen to actual metal and should probably just stay on the gear page. But that’s okay. I understand why you usually only post full mixes here, because guys don’t know any different.
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I can’t speak for others but it does come off thin sounding and then morphs to more low end others stated. I asked whether the tone recorded reflected the in the room sound or if it was something on my end as to why it sounded the way it does.

No need to badmouth a collective group on RT just because they don’t have a recording studio to listen to YouTube compressed audio. I suck ass at recording amplifiers but many will prefer an iPhone recorded amp over studio sessions because they’re just more experienced on hearing voicings that way.

In fair statement you shared the clip with us - which is great - but that invites open discussion.
 
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