TheBiggestJerk
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I suspect you’re also an angry drunk.That's one fallacy versus 30; you've got some ground to make up
DanTravis62
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I mean, okay? If you need to start a head canon about it to feel better, that's all good
I'd rather hear some examples of super cheap pickups you feel like can hang with the industry standards
SoooRad
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Fight! Fight! Fight!
Like anything, you can quickly get into diminishing returns. I like the tone:$ ratio of Duncans. I get a sound I like and am not breaking the bank. Even just living with their "basic" stuff like the JB, Custom, DD, 59. I know I'm going to be getting a good, familiar base sound.
I would like to try out some other shit if time allowed, Arcane, Jalen, ToneNerd. But I also don't have a guitar I would want to become that "mule" for lack of a better word.
Like anything, you can quickly get into diminishing returns. I like the tone:$ ratio of Duncans. I get a sound I like and am not breaking the bank. Even just living with their "basic" stuff like the JB, Custom, DD, 59. I know I'm going to be getting a good, familiar base sound.
I would like to try out some other shit if time allowed, Arcane, Jalen, ToneNerd. But I also don't have a guitar I would want to become that "mule" for lack of a better word.
TheBiggestJerk
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Come on man. You gotta argue for it and frankly I don’t accept it unless you do. Need something to measure… numbers.
DanTravis62
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That's why people ask for clips. It's literally thousands of little data point numbers that you collate with your ears.
marvcus
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When you think about it, it is quite amazing to think anyone can agree on anything when everyone’s perception and preferences of tone, timbre, touch sensitivity, amount of gain, inherent EQ intuition, speakers, amount of compression, bark, bite, sustain, thump, overall style, etc, are all different from each other.
We should all just have a Les Paul and a Marshall super lead and fight it out with our hands. Ha
We should all just have a Les Paul and a Marshall super lead and fight it out with our hands. Ha
NowYou'rePlayingWithPower
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So, you didn't study physics? Didn't you also claim in that one thread that you refuse to let people play your instruments due to your tens of thousands of $ invested, but your half dozen guitar collection is probably valued at around $1k in it's entirety? What about all of the behringer pedals? Are you just trying to justify your collection? It's okay to feel that something is good enough for you, but that doesn't make it equal or even the bare minimum to be considered a standard point to start with.
DanTravis62
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At least for me, that is literally the standard go-to rig, so I don't know if that's fair
Most RTers are old enough to where handling a super lead wouldn't be too big of an issue; but there are a lot of younger folks out there who have a really hard time containing and controlling a cranked real amp
TheBiggestJerk
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Nope! That’s subjective data,
Not objective data. Nobody has the same ears, for all I know you could be deaf or hearing impaired, and I may not hear the nuances. Plus every single pickup sounds different. Even the same models….
Real data is numbers .
DanTravis62
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It's one of those "Everyone else is a RUBE and i'm the SMART GUY because I don't feel comfortable spending that kind of coin for that particular piece of gear" things, I'm pretty sure
Everyone desperately needs to rationalize their specific flavor of consumption; and that swings BOTH ways. With both the 1000$ pickup guys/the C+ guys, and the Boss Katana is the best/"Behringers are all anyone needs and anything else is stupid" guys.
glpg80
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I can’t stand JB pickups and never really liked any of the custom options that rolled through over the years.
Even in blind tests posted over the decade I’ve picked JB’s out as the worst of all of them.
I tend to stick to SD and Dimarzio. My favourite dimarzio is a cheap Ibanez knockoff I rebuilt and repotted. It’s the one in my charvel.
I am really happy with my black winters from SD. I don’t mind spending money on pickups but I feel like it’s hard to warrant a certain level of quality vs cost due to my playing ability. Small businesses can’t push the quantity to keep the costs way down and I’d happily support a quality product if it solved many problems I needed.
Even in blind tests posted over the decade I’ve picked JB’s out as the worst of all of them.
I tend to stick to SD and Dimarzio. My favourite dimarzio is a cheap Ibanez knockoff I rebuilt and repotted. It’s the one in my charvel.
I am really happy with my black winters from SD. I don’t mind spending money on pickups but I feel like it’s hard to warrant a certain level of quality vs cost due to my playing ability. Small businesses can’t push the quantity to keep the costs way down and I’d happily support a quality product if it solved many problems I needed.
DanTravis62
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TheBiggestJerk
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Expound!
Argue it.
BeZo
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I can vouch for that. I did some science in my kazoo flipping days. The wood resonance absolutely effects the tone of the guitar. Bright pickups in a maple guitar will sound shrill, but will sound great in mahogany. Mid focused pickups in a mahogany guitar will sound honky, buy will sound great in maple. If you want the math, you can go on Wood Database and look at stats like density and cell structure by species and see the stats align with the general perception of the tone of those woods when used for instruments.
TheBiggestJerk
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Acoustic instruments and acoustic resonance. Not electrical/magnetic.
What’s the equation to covert wood grain to Gauss again?
NowYou'rePlayingWithPower
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Not trying to be elitist as I prefer variety over specific sought out tones.
There is definitely a place for everything.
Some those places just happens to be the garbage bin, for example.
glpg80
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I gave away a JB once on the forum. Add someone else’s possession to the list of places things sometimes belong.
DanTravis62
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And this is the crazy part. You can record yourself playing a guitar, right? It's what's called "clips" in common parlance. And then you can analyze the frequencies of the clip with these crazy tools called "frequency analyzers" that come free with every DAW known to man.
And believe it or not, people who have spent a lot of time doing recording can quickly parse these numbers just like someone would quickly do basic addition or subtraction in their head. I know, I know, it's crazy. But these are, in fact, numbers, just like you asked for.
There are limitations, certainly, especially the way frequencies change over time.
But when you are listening to a sound, you are literally collating and analyzing these numbers in realtime in your head, though they can certainly be represented as a static data set if you're autistic enough to require that.
I don't get along with them either. I like a bunch of other duncans, but the mid range spike of the JB just feels a bit unnatural to me - at least with my playing.
I get why other people like it. It just isn't for me at all
I'm certainly more the specific type, but I try not to shit on everyone else's ice cream - particularly when the ice cream is obviously good, just not my flavor
NowYou'rePlayingWithPower
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Outside of dealing with mass, why are skyscrapers and bridges made from specific shapes and material density?