I’ll have to watch the clips again. I wasn’t paying attention at all actually to the cabs used now that I think about it lol
Which version 25w GB’s do you have? At least with the pulsonic pre-rola ones I had and iirc Chinese made 25w GB’s I find they had this inherent mid hump that to me sounded kinda nasal/congested, a bit bloated like the sound Metallica got on RTL in some ways if that makes sense. Raceher4U described them as sounding like they have a cold and I get what he means there. They did get along with some amps well though and I guess if I played a scooped amp with them they could work with that fine, but just much prefer the grindier midrange of the 20w versions and also much tighter and faster. Maybe your slant cab and whatever inherent voicing it has just works well with them, can’t say
Listening to the clips there again on your thread with the amp and what I think I hear is a nasal mid hump in the 25’s, more narrow sound. The Bogner H75 cab sounds to me there more punchy, tight, robust, wider without that smeared mid hump. At least in the clip I like the Bogner cab a lot more there. More aggressive
I admittedly didn’t pay attention in the past to whether the many different GB loaded cabs I’ve played in the past were Chinese or UK versions and not sure how different they sound from each other. I’d just say you’d have to compare 20 and 25w versions. You might describe it or hear it differently then me, but I think would at least see where I’m coming from
Sounds like it’s for whatever reason working very well in your setup. Is your cab an Ubercab or regular Bogner 412? Fwiw, I’m not crazy about most of those speakers mentioned, although I like the T3210 version G12-65’s. I agree fully on T-75’s, but the first vented version ‘80’s T-75 sounds to me more like a higher powered Greenback. Similar-ish ballpark to the T3120 G12-65’s I like
Go with your experience. If they are working for you and you are liking them, that is what matters. Random people’s opinions are just that ime. My experience is only with pre rola H30’s, anniversay h30’s, redbacks and wgs reaper ( h30 copy). For me they all had that same tone.
You're saying that H mags have a very scooped midrange, then say you have to mix probably the most recorded H magnet Celestion ever (V30) to add mids to another H magnet speaker?
I had them in a Friedman 412/15, and could not pull them out fast enough. I replaced them with the OG Marshall Vintage speakers and was much happier with that cab after.
No I said H speaker. The ones I tried (very few) they all sounded very scooped to me. If you like them and they sound good to you, cool.You're saying that H mags have a very scooped midrange, then say you have to mix probably the most recorded H magnet Celestion ever (V30) to add mids to another H magnet speaker?
To my ears the G12H-75, the V30, the OG G12H-30 75hz, the Heritage G12H30 75hz, and the 70th Anniversary G12H30 all sound so close in general EQ terms it's nuts how much I love some, love/hate some, and just flat out can't stand some.
The OG G12H30 75hz and the Heritage version of that same speaker are possibly to probably my favorite Celestions ever. Definitely tied with the G12H30 55hz, and slightly edging out the G12-65 55hz. Yes they have bigger and tighter bottom end, yes they have more brilliant highs, but man that woody midrange grind they have is just wicked. They get really vocal for leads when pushed, but retain the punch and cut needed for rhythm.
The Creamback 75 retains much of that tone, but there is a notched kinda nasel quality to every clip of them I have heard that has turned me totally off from buying them to try out.
I've had 3 different makes of V30. Bogner V30's, Mesa V30's, and early '90s Marshall Vintage speakers. The Bogner and Mesa were my love/hate relationship. I loved them clean, and into midgain and some high gain tones. But when pushed hard they get sloppy in the lows, and piercing in the upper mids and treble. However I have nothing but love for the early Marshall V30's. They were somehow brighter and tighter, but not harsh/piercing. The transition to breakup was also much smoother. I think it's because of all the V30's I owned they had by a large margin the lightest edge doping. I mean barely any.
I loath for anything but clean tones the Anniversary G12H30. Cold, piercing, just blech to my taste.
The redback is pretty scooped so I could see why it gets lost, it's similar midrange-wise to the T75 but has no grit so it just disappears. I didn't like my pair at all (8-ohm) so I sold them to a guy locally that wanted some smooth speakers.
I had a 2x12 with a V30/H75 combo when the creambacks were released and it was pretty great, it was an 8 ohm mesa v30 but with all the videos recently I'm not sure that makes that much of a difference lol.
