Purchased the 78/79 package from IK multimedia, UPDATE 7/4/25

[chumbucket]

Ok my audio setting just popped up after I clicked on my desktop IK Axe I/O one icon. The only audio buffer speed lower was 256 so I clicked it and wow it made a big difference??? I tried to type in a lower setting below 256 and it would not let me. But I can probably live with 256 for now.

Is there a way to directly access the audio setting screen from ToneX SE my display doesn't showing anything, I just assumed it popped up when I clicked the AXE I/O one icon on my desktop

What's the audio interface in your PC like? Just bouncing ideas, but I was wondering if you could use your PC sound card for output and the Axe I/O for input and get it even lower. My Presonus will let me choose as low as 8 but it glitches at every setting until I hit 128. Lower latency is key for digital guitar playing enjoyment IMO.

 

[harddriver]

What's the audio interface in your PC like? Just bouncing ideas, but I was wondering if you could use your PC sound card for output and the Axe I/O for input and get it even lower. My Presonus will let me choose as low as 8 but it glitches at every setting until I hit 128. Lower latency is key for digital guitar playing enjoyment IMO.

I looked around, I thinks it's the stock audiotek that was on most PC's, The AXE one has defaulted over the audio tek right now by the looks of things. I don't see anywhere obvious that would allow me to lower it anymore in my PC sound control in my settings sections.

The 256 setting made a huge improvement for now, I'm just happy this thing is finally working. I'll nose around some more another time and see if there is a way to get it lower than 256.

Thank you for all your help!

 

[chumbucket]

I looked around, I thinks it's the stock audiotek that was on most PC's, The AXE one has defaulted over the audio tek right now by the looks of things.

No biggie if it won't let you change to it in the audio settings. 256 is good.

 

[harddriver]

No biggie if it won't let you change to it in the audio settings. 256 is good.

I think that's the lowest available with the AXE I/O One interface. I still see if there anywhere else I can lower it later and see if that improves the immediacy even more.

 

[harddriver]

What's the audio interface in your PC like? Just bouncing ideas, but I was wondering if you could use your PC sound card for output and the Axe I/O for input and get it even lower. My Presonus will let me choose as low as 8 but it glitches at every setting until I hit 128. Lower latency is key for digital guitar playing enjoyment IMO.

Is your presonus the interface you are using for your computer? I think I'm stuck with whatever IK built into this Axe I/O One.

 

[Shask]

I think that's the lowest available with the AXE I/O One interface. I still see if there anywhere else I can lower it later and see if that improves the immediacy even more.

I run my Axe I/O at 64, and I can select it down to 32. You should be able to lower it. I always have my interface on before I open ToneX, and that screen shown above always pops up when I first open it. There might be something else connecting to it and selecting 256 before you get to it. You might try to select your default Windows device, and then switch it back to the ASIO Axe I/O device to see if that tricks it to change the settings.

 

[Shask]

Alrighty Gents.... I clicked on the ToneX SE today and nothing happened immediately, so I got busy with something else, I came back and there it was displayed like it loaded but it said it was not authorized and to log onto IK Product Manager. So I closed ToneX SE and logged onto my IK Product Manager and then opened ToneX SE and it seem to load correctly this time, so I plugged in my interface into the USB and set up the parameters on the ToneX SE pulldown window for the connection/interface and Walla I got some audio guitar sounds thru the default JCM800 model on ToneX SE and that one was kinda blah but it worked......

I still did not see my 78/ 79 models anywhere so I read up on reloading/recover purchases clicked it and it downloaded for a bit and walla.....my 78/79 showed up in my directory on the left hand side and I have been jamming through all the 78/79 models for the last two hours. I have a couple of favorites so far, the Set to Explode Bright 78V and Feeling Loved Bright 78 V, turning on the delay post and plate reverb is a nice touch.

As this is my first digital guitar/ amp experience I do feel somewhat disconnected as a player and the interaction between me , the amp and speaker cabs is not there but the audio is quite good and quite representative on how my 68 Ed spec sounds variaced the same with the same signal chains. I'm still learning my way around on it but so far it's pretty fun for the $200 bucks I spent. I don't know if I could play out with a setup like this or not but I have to say the models sound and respond like my 68 amp variaced and cranked.

Hopefully this helps Mentoneman and otheres getting his to function correctly.....

Hey Mentoneman the other models were pretty generic sounding compared to the 78/79 models sound quality, so you might not want to take that into consideration.

For me this definitely does not replace what I have with my amps but it's a cool toy for the investment. So do you need to be logged on to you IK product manager every time before you open your ToneX SE???? It seemed like it needed to synch with the IK product manager realtime from the internet connection for some reason?????

I have Klipsch THX monitors and they sound pretty good but I wonder if different actual studio quality monitor speakers would sound better???

Either way all of the different models on 78/79 package are cool and the sound quality does represent a cranked, variaced 68 plexi through Marshall 4x12 cabs with celestion 20 and 25 watt speakers, the pinched harmonics do fly off the fretboard, plexi clankiness and the harmonic overtones from the plexi models are pleasing and quite correct sounding.

Hey JohnnyGTR, like I said it's a different experience but I think if your download goes better than mine you might find it pretty fun to jam on for $200 buck all in investment. Hopefully everything works tomorrow and the next day like it did today.

Thanks for all the insights and suggestions, they were all appreciated. Like I said I'm not sure exactly what seemed to get this working so I explained everything I did if it helps someone else in the same process that is having difficulties.

Glad to hear it finally worked! Sounds like your internet was just slow to pull everything through. It does take some time the first time you load it all up for it to download all of the things you own. Once it is all there it runs smoother.

Yeah, the feel will be different because it is like playing the recording of an amp, not an actual amp in the room.

 

[Shask]

I looked around, I thinks it's the stock audiotek that was on most PC's, The AXE one has defaulted over the audio tek right now by the looks of things. I don't see anywhere obvious that would allow me to lower it anymore in my PC sound control in my settings sections.

The 256 setting made a huge improvement for now, I'm just happy this thing is finally working. I'll nose around some more another time and see if there is a way to get it lower than 256.

Thank you for all your help!

The Axe I/O Series has its own program for the interface so you wont use Windows sound settings. Either in the tray at the bottom right, or just in your installed programs, you should have the Axe I/O Interface Manager program. You can also change settings in there, like the output of the different I/O, ground lift buttons, etc...

 

[chumbucket]

Is your presonus the interface you are using for your computer? I think I'm stuck with whatever IK built into this Axe I/O One.

Yeah my Presonus is an external half rack unit connected via USB-C.

Click on the control panel button in the upper right of your audio settings box and it should launch your Windows audio device control panel. See if you can alter the buffer settings there even further.

 

[harddriver]

The Axe I/O Series has its own program for the interface so you wont use Windows sound settings. Either in the tray at the bottom right, or just in your installed programs, you should have the Axe I/O Interface Manager program. You can also change settings in there, like the output of the different I/O, ground lift buttons, etc...

When I click on my Axe I/O One icon it doesn't seem to opening independently for some reason even run as administrator so I only had the selections that ToneX SE provided while the interface was connected to TonexSE. I'll see what's up with the Interface control program tomorrow.

 

[Shask]

When I click on my Axe I/O One icon it doesn't seem to opening independently for some reason even run as administrator so I only had the selections that ToneX SE provided while the interface was connected to TonexSE. I'll see what's up with the Interface control program tomorrow.

It doesn't just open when you click on it in the system tray. It should open a little menu where your mouse is, and then you have to select open the interface manager from the menu.

 

[Greazygeo]

I looked around, I thinks it's the stock audiotek that was on most PC's, The AXE one has defaulted over the audio tek right now by the looks of things. I don't see anywhere obvious that would allow me to lower it anymore in my PC sound control in my settings sections.

The 256 setting made a huge improvement for now, I'm just happy this thing is finally working. I'll nose around some more another time and see if there is a way to get it lower than 256.

Thank you for all your help!

I run mine at 32 using either the Blackstar Polar 2 or Apogee Element. You interface may only be able to do 256. It should be adjustable in the tonex software somewhere, I don’t run windows butnut should be there somewhere.

 

[tjnx]

When I click on my Axe I/O One icon it doesn't seem to opening independently for some reason even run as administrator so I only had the selections that ToneX SE provided while the interface was connected to TonexSE. I'll see what's up with the Interface control program tomorrow.

you may need to right click it to bring up the menu to open it. some of my audio apps in the system tray work that way

 

[chumbucket]

I finally got around to trying some other IRs with the 78/79 amp captures and I'm quite pleased with the results. I'm not really chasing Eddie tones anyway and just wanted a cool sounding high gain Marshall. I tried some Ownhammer and York Greenback IRs and ended up with a fuller range tone that really works a lot better for me. YMMV.

You wanna know what's really stupid about the Tonex pedals? The big box pedal isn't full duplex when using it as an audio interface so, if you want to stream some backing tracks from your PC, you can't play along to them. There's a switch in the editor software to toggle back and forth between your guitar or your PC, but not both at the same time!
But the little Tonex One pedal which costs less than half of the big one, does full duplex no problem?

 

[harddriver]

The Axe I/O Series has its own program for the interface so you wont use Windows sound settings. Either in the tray at the bottom right, or just in your installed programs, you should have the Axe I/O Interface Manager program. You can also change settings in there, like the output of the different I/O, ground lift buttons, etc...

I run mine at 32 using either the Blackstar Polar 2 or Apogee Element. You interface may only be able to do 256. It should be adjustable in the tonex software somewhere, I don’t run windows butnut should be there somewhere.

you may need to right click it to bring up the menu to open it. some of my audio apps in the system tray work that way

I plugged in the interface a while ago and then opened the Axe I/O One control panel program as administrator and it did not load up and showed no display. Looks like my Axe I/O one control panel isn't booting up correctly by itself. Somehow the interface connected through to Tonex SE yesterday and was functional but the lowest buffer rate available in the control window that displayed on ToneX SE was 256 and according to Shask via the control panel in that program it can run much lower than 256 buffer speed which would improve the feel even more. My Axe I/O One software for the control panel in the hardware section of product manager did show authorized when I downloaded it.

So I will uninstall it and re-upload it and maybe that will take care of any issues.

 

[harddriver]

I finally got around to trying some other IRs with the 78/79 amp captures and I'm quite pleased with the results. I'm not really chasing Eddie tones anyway and just wanted a cool sounding high gain Marshall. I tried some Ownhammer and York Greenback IRs and ended up with a fuller range tone that really works a lot better for me. YMMV.

You wanna know what's really stupid about the Tonex pedals? The big box pedal isn't full duplex when using it as an audio interface so, if you want to stream some backing tracks from your PC, you can't play along to them. There's a switch in the editor software to toggle back and forth between your guitar or your PC, but not both at the same time!
But the little Tonex One pedal which costs less than half of the big one, does full duplex no problem?

So far I am really impressed with these 78/ 79 modeling. There are notable differences between each 78 capture and the 79 capture in how the amp is distorting and brighter or darker with different 4x12 cabinets and speakers. Since I play my 68 Ed spec Marshall alot, I can confirm that these captures do indeed sound about as exact I've heard something digital reproduce like my variaced, cranked, 68 with Ed's entire signal chain in it,1979 MXR Flanger >NOS Script Phase 90> EP3 Echoplexes. These 78/79 captures were of an NOS MXR flanger, Phase 90 and EP echoplex in front of Jims 68 amp at all times in the signal chain so keep that in mind. The captures also reproduce the harmonic content and qualities and there is also that hiss that you get when cranking a NMV 68 amp up like that with that specific signal chain in front of the amp. I'll also note that you can also adjust the gain, volume and all the tone controls on the virtual amp on the screen. The 78/79 captures also has the ability to add Delay Pre or Post on the amp and add the Plate Reverb Post or Last in line with which you are able to dial in the amounts you personally want.

I'll probably like the 78/79 package even more once I can get the buffer speed below 256. All in all this 78/79 package has surprised me as to how good they sound and how they feel, it still isn't like standing infron of a cranked 100 watter and 4x12 but once you get past that it's eyeopening of how these subtle dynamics have been captured by IK multimedia and Jim Gaustad. I would have to say this digital representation is as close to playting through Ed's rig as one can get without building the entire rig yourself $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. This 78/79 package was good enough that I played for over two hours through it yesterday and didn't think or feel it sucked.

My message to Johnnygtr is since your amps aren't available to you, for the investment of $200 bucks I think you would have alot of fun playing this since you are a big Ed fan like myself.

My message to Mentoneman is I think the Premium capture packages may be of alot better quality than the standard free ones because that Boosted JCM800 on ToneX SE was not that good while the 78/79 sounds really good.

If I have anymore software issues I may badmouth that some more but the tones don't suck.

I also want to thank Shask, Chumbucket, Greazygeo and everyone else for all the suggestions and help working through the issues with my first foray into digital amps!

 

[chumbucket]

So far I am really impressed with these 78/ 79 modeling. There are notable differences between each 78 capture and the 79 capture in how the amp is distorting and brighter or darker with different 4x12 cabinets and speakers. Since I play my 68 Ed spec Marshall alot, I can confirm that these captures do indeed sound about as exact I've heard something digital reproduce like my variaced, cranked, 68 with Ed's entire signal chain in it,1979 MXR Flanger >NOS Script Phase 90> EP3 Echoplexes. These 78/79 captures were of an NOS MXR flanger, Phase 90 and EP echoplex in front of Jims 68 amp at all times in the signal chain so keep that in mind. The captures also reproduce the harmonic content and qualities and there is also that hiss that you get when cranking a NMV 68 amp up like that with that specific signal chain in front of the amp. I'll also note that you can also adjust the gain, volume and all the tone controls on the virtual amp on the screen. The 78/79 captures also has the ability to add Delay Pre or Post on the amp and add the Plate Reverb Post or Last in line with which you are able to dial in the amounts you personally want.

I'll probably like the 78/79 package even more once I can get the buffer speed below 256. All in all this 78/79 package has surprised me as to how good they sound and how they feel, it still isn't like standing infron of a cranked 100 watter and 4x12 but once you get past that it's eyeopening of how these subtle dynamics have been captured by IK multimedia and Jim Gaustad. I would have to say this digital representation is as close to playting through Ed's rig as one can get without building the entire rig yourself $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. This 78/79 package was good enough that I played for over two hours through it yesterday and didn't think of feel it sucked.

My message to Johnnygtr is since your amps aren't available to you, for the investment of $200 bucks I think you would have alot of fun playing this since you are a big Ed fan like myself.

My message to Mentoneman is I think the Premium capture packages may be of alot better quality than the standard free ones because that Boosted JCM800 on ToneX SE was not that good while the 78/79 sounds really good.

If I have anymore software issues I may badmouth that some more but the tones don't suck.

I want also want to thank Shask, Chumbucket, Greazygeo and everyone else for all the suggestions and help working through the issues with my first foray into digital amps!

Good to hear that you're digging it (otherwise I may have felt a bit guilty!).

I would have paid a little extra to get some raw amp captures so that I could route the signal out to a power amp and 4x12. I'm really liking the York Kerry Wright Greenback IRs with the 78/79 pack -

https://www.yorkaudio.co/product-page/kw-412-m25-sh

 

[harddriver]

Good to hear that you're digging it (otherwise I may have felt a bit guilty!).

I would have paid a little extra to get some raw amp captures so that I could route the signal out to a power amp and 4x12. I'm really liking the York Kerry Wright Greenback IRs with the 78/79 pack -

https://www.yorkaudio.co/product-page/kw-412-m25-sh

I am digging it! If I can get the buffer rate lower I will dig it more

To the contrary I think your descriptions on how it sounds was quite correct and I agree with you guys after hearing it in person on my computer. Maybe down the road they will do just amp captures but then maybe it won't have what you like about it as much either, that sound is product of the complete signal chain into that amp setup.

I have always been a digital amp modeling critic to say the least so I went into this ready to call it either way for $200 bucks since I'm not a digital guy whatsoever. These 78/79 digital anything was the first product that I thought sounded like a good 68/69 plexi amp whether or not it did the Ed stuff is irrelevant. For getting that variaced cranked tone of a great plexi on your computer this IK stuff is impressive. It kept my interest all afternoon and I had fun jamming through it and was not easily persuaded to say it sucked and walk away.

How that translates to a live speakers setup I do not know but I would imagine it has to be close to Kemper or Fractal but I have no experience with any of those.

I'm not disappointed with the 78/79 package tones, it performs and sounds as they do in the clips. If the software downloads had gone smoother I would have a more glowing review of the product. The Dime package interests me as well but I need to get all these other issues ironed out first like the Axe I/O One controller software working like it should.

 

[RaceU4her]

i run at 32 when tracking then go to 2056 when im mixing with all my plugins

 

[Greazygeo]

I have 5-6 of the factory captures that I play thru. The factory cab irs don’t sound very good for some reason. Switching to some of the irs from other places I bought make a huge difference.