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JDs Couch said:
That's great for those who can afford it. But you have 25 to 30 million Americans with no health care. And you have about 300,000 medical bankruptcies per year.
Wouldn't a Christian want to take care of his brothers and sisters?
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It's a great question. I am uninsured myself but it would be unchristian of me to make it compulsory for my brother to provide me the means to have medical care. That's obliging him to something he may not want to do.
 
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VonBonfire said:
It's a great question. I am uninsured myself but it would be unchristian of me to make it compulsory for my brother to provide me the means to have medical care. That's obliging him to something he may not want to do.
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It's unChristian for the Government to look after those less fortunate huh... like the widow, or the beggar...

You're on drugs. Go read your Bible some more.
 
VonBonfire said:
It's a great question. I am uninsured myself but it would be unchristian of me to make it compulsory for my brother to provide me the means to have medical care. That's obliging him to something he may not want to do.
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Universal health care aligns closely with Christian values, especially those based on compassion, justice, and caring for the vulnerable.

1. Caring for the sick
Jesus frequently healed the sick without payment or conditions. Christians are called to do the same.
Example: “I was sick and you looked after me.” – Matthew 25:36

2. Love your neighbor
The command to love your neighbor as yourself implies concern for their well-being, including health.
Example: “Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others.” – Philippians 2:4

3. Protecting the poor and vulnerable
Jesus and the prophets emphasized helping the poor and those on the margins of society.
Example: “Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves… defend the rights of the poor and needy.” – Proverbs 31:8-9

4. Justice and equity
Biblical justice includes fairness and lifting up the oppressed. Universal health care helps ensure no one is excluded because of poverty.
Example: “Woe to those who make unjust laws… to deprive the poor of their rights.” – Isaiah 10:1-2

Some Christians argue that health care should be a matter of individual responsibility, not government provision. However, many Christian teachings emphasize collective care and community support. The early church in the Book of Acts shared possessions and made sure everyone had what they needed.

Views differ among Christians. Some conservatives and libertarians oppose government-managed systems, preferring charity or market-based approaches. Others see government as a moral tool to ensure justice and protect the vulnerable, referencing passages like Romans 13, which describes governing authorities as servants of the public good.

In summary, while Christians have different political views, the ethical principles of Christianity—such as compassion, healing, justice, and care for the poor—strongly support the idea of universal health care.
 
Thumbpicker said:
We are a leader in medical innovations here too. Moron. Including in pharmaceuticals.
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AI overview:

The United States is generally considered the world leader in medical innovation. This is supported by the high number of new drug and medical device approvals, the presence of leading biotechnology and medical device companies, and the number of Nobel laureates in medicine and chemistry from the U.S.


So basically, we push more pills than you do.
 
VonBonfire said:
AI overview:

The United States is generally considered the world leader in medical innovation. This is supported by the high number of new drug and medical device approvals, the presence of leading biotechnology and medical device companies, and the number of Nobel laureates in medicine and chemistry from the U.S.


So basically, we push more pills than you do.
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JDs Couch said:
Universal health care aligns closely with Christian values, especially those based on compassion, justice, and caring for the vulnerable.

1. Caring for the sick
Jesus frequently healed the sick without payment or conditions. Christians are called to do the same.
Example: “I was sick and you looked after me.” – Matthew 25:36

2. Love your neighbor
The command to love your neighbor as yourself implies concern for their well-being, including health.
Example: “Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others.” – Philippians 2:4

3. Protecting the poor and vulnerable
Jesus and the prophets emphasized helping the poor and those on the margins of society.
Example: “Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves… defend the rights of the poor and needy.” – Proverbs 31:8-9

4. Justice and equity
Biblical justice includes fairness and lifting up the oppressed. Universal health care helps ensure no one is excluded because of poverty.
Example: “Woe to those who make unjust laws… to deprive the poor of their rights.” – Isaiah 10:1-2

Some Christians argue that health care should be a matter of individual responsibility, not government provision. However, many Christian teachings emphasize collective care and community support. The early church in the Book of Acts shared possessions and made sure everyone had what they needed.

Views differ among Christians. Some conservatives and libertarians oppose government-managed systems, preferring charity or market-based approaches. Others see government as a moral tool to ensure justice and protect the vulnerable, referencing passages like Romans 13, which describes governing authorities as servants of the public good.

In summary, while Christians have different political views, the ethical principles of Christianity—such as compassion, healing, justice, and care for the poor—strongly support the idea of universal health care.
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2 Corinthians 9:7

Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.
 
VonBonfire said:
2 Corinthians 9:7

Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.
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I cheerfully pay my taxes to the government who looks after it. We aren't semi-nomadic goatherders these days. Like people in the US who can't afford to go to the doctor. Piss poor third world country where they are brainwashed that things are better when they can't even afford to go to the doctor.
 
Thumbpicker said:
I cheerfully pay my taxes to the government who looks after it. We aren't semi-nomadic goatherders these days.
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Other people don't, that was the point of the verse. You must have idle hands and want to argue tonight but it's not to be since I am gonna hit the hay. Have a good night and also @JDs Couch catch you tomorrow. I hope.
 
Don't worry Elon Musk, Trump, Biden, Bezos and Zuckerburg can afford it though... but you might die from a lack of checkups because you are in a low socioeconomic group because of the vast wealth inequality. That's ok - make them even richer.
 
VonBonfire said:
It's a great question. I am uninsured myself but it would be unchristian of me to make it compulsory for my brother to provide me the means to have medical care. That's obliging him to something he may not want to do.
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You should not be uninsured. You live in the richest and most prosperous country in the world and you deserve basic health care without the threat of financial ruin.
 
SatanicPanic said:
You should not be uninsured. You live in the richest and most prosperous country in the world and you deserve basic health care without the threat of financial ruin.
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Nobody "deserves" like that in my worldview. Google says deserve is defined as "do something or have or show qualities worthy of (reward or punishment)."

Being born isn't doing something. Being American isn't a quality that is worthy of reward in and of itself.
 
VonBonfire said:
Nobody "deserves" like that in my worldview. Google says deserve is defined as "do something or have or show qualities worthy of (reward or punishment)."

Being born isn't doing something. Being American isn't a quality that is worthy of reward in and of itself.
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Thankfully, the rest of the world disagrees with you and sees health care as a basic human right.
 
Phoney the cuck wants a free sex change, he believes that is a human right. Eh? :ROFLMAO:
 
VonBonfire said:
It's cause it attracts well to do renaissance men wannabe sportstmen. Kinda like golf. Who doesn't want to be fly fishing on a beautiful creek, stream, or river someplace and eating delicious fish afterwards? I don't think I could get into the vest and stupid hat.though. We used to have a neighbor who'd be brushing his teeth and fiddling with all his fishing gadgets wearing a tan super long billed cap wasting time on his fancy boat more than he spent fishing. He was a nce guy though, and it was amusing but he was kind of a wannabe sportsmen. We called him majestic cause he screwed up and shot a doe with only a buck tag and kept saying it was "so majestic" trying to explain his mistake, lol
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The "wannabe" meets strict Minnesota fishing laws:
He had been bragging for days, the business executive heading to Mn with his boat and gear for a long weekend of fishing. Mission completed, he was heading back with his catch and was stopped by a conservation officer and found to have over his limit. They confiscated his catch, gear, boat and pickup. The days before easy cash access, he had to find a way home (Indiana) to get enough cash to go back and pay his way out of it and get his property back.
Not sure how it is in other states but Conservation Officers here have more power than any other type of law enforcement...they can show up at your door and demand to look in your freezer or fridge without a warrant and you have to oblige, no other option.
 
Thumbpicker said:
Don't worry Elon Musk, Trump, Biden, Bezos and Zuckerburg can afford it though... but you might die from a lack of checkups because you are in a low socioeconomic group because of the vast wealth inequality. That's ok - make them even richer.
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The main reason for this is that free enterprise is not illegal, and you get the bad with the good.
 
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