INAD: Rare’ish Randall content… another reason why Dave Friedman rules!

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So, I have wanted one of these since launch. A very polarizing aesthetic for sure but I love it. Looks like the hatches from Lost.

Not the highest Anthrax fan but I’ve always liked Scott’s tones. These are basically a modded Thrasher. Different mid voicing and has, as far as I recall, a TC style boost circuit in there somewhere like Scott used with his Marshalls.

I have been on the lookout for one for years that wasn’t ridiculously priced. I asked in a Randall FB group if anyone had actually tried one. Dave messages me (and texted me) and was like, “hey… I have one banging around at the shop”

Mission accomplished. Amp will be on its way soon!
 
Those actually sound pretty damn good! I almost bought one, but the cosmetics were actually a deal-breaker, for me, anyway. I know Scott used them for quite awhile, until the whole Fortin/Randall debacle, which of course he went to EVH. I believe he's still using the 100 watt EL34 EVH's anyway...
 
That’s fucking cool!
Yeah man I’m stoked. Have had a pretty good gear run the last few months.

KILLER!!!
This will be the first “new” amp I’ve gotten in ages that I have zero experience with. Looking forward to it.

Those actually sound pretty damn good! I almost bought one, but the cosmetics were actually a deal-breaker, for me, anyway. I know Scott used them for quite awhile, until the whole Fortin/Randall debacle, which of course he went to EVH. I believe he's still using the 100 watt EL34 EVH's anyway...
Yeah these for sure are a polarizing aesthetic. I like tacky shit so it’s right up my alley. Now I have to find a matching cab somewhere.
 
That’s awesome af man . I mean you basically got a version of a Larry as the story seems to go . Fucking cool
 
Nice! From demos at least that one did seem to be the best sounding version of all of the fortin Randall's but also not sold anywhere lol.
 
That’s awesome af man . I mean you basically got a version of a Larry as the story seems to go . Fucking cool
Ha! And without having to deal with the guy! Lol.

Man I really need to play a Larrynon person at some point.
Nice! From demos at least that one did seem to be the best sounding version of all of the fortin Randall's but also not sold anywhere lol.
Yeah for sure. And these were made when Mike and crew still had a hand in overseeing QC and production. There’s so little content out of these but today the amp has haunted me would be an understatement. I usually see them selling for more than they were new the last couple years. Dave made me a nice deal for sure.
 
I had one of the modules.. was essentially a jcm800 preamp with a bit more on tap. Sounded good. These Randalls fly under he radar. I think the Lynch hardwired model ( no modules, just 3 channel amp) with the i believe a clean - brahma - Judge circuits was a fantastic sounding amp. No many made.
 
I had one of the modules.. was essentially a jcm800 preamp with a bit more on tap. Sounded good. These Randalls fly under he radar. I think the Lynch hardwired model ( no modules, just 3 channel amp) with the i believe a clean - brahma - Judge circuits was a fantastic sounding amp. No many made.
Well fuck me… now I need to hunt that down!
 
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That’s awesome af man . I mean you basically got a version of a Larry as the story seems to go . Fucking cool
Since there seem to be some misconceptions going around here, I feel compelled to clarify something here again, so that no one confuses moldy lemons with fresh kiwis and so that no one goes to sleep with false hopes or illusions.

Something basic in advance:

Copying the circuit of another amp does not mean that you have copied this amp in its entirety and does not mean that this copy sounds like the original.

Why?

Even if you have re-engineered the circuit and rebuild it correctly along with all component's values, you still don't have the components of the original available.
In addition, with high-impedance circuits, it is immensely important how the components are positioned in relation to each other, their distances to each other and how the entire wiring runs in the amp, because in high-impedance circuits the current does not only flow in the components and cables.
High-impedance circuits, such as those found in tube amps are teeming with a multitude of electromagnetic fields emanating from the cables and components, all of which influence each other, so that if misdesigned, certain areas of the circuit may tend to oscillate, while other areas may attenuate each other.

This is btw. the reason why old Marshall amps of the same series and from the same year sometimes sound so different from each other. Because "Emma" had wired one amp in her own way, while "Kate" - sitting next to her at work - had wired the same amp model differently.

The difference in sound becomes even more noticeable when you compare earlier Marshall amps that still had their circuits on turret boards with the later models of the same type, where a PCB was used as the basis of the circuit.
Although it is basically the same circuit, the components are of other brands, the positions and distances of the components are different and the internal wiring is also different.

Now to 'copy an original Larry amp':

Nobody has the original Cornell Dublier 170 polypropylene tubular caps and will not get them anywhere, because their production was already stopped in 2010 and there is no stock of them anywhere. If it were different, then I would not have named the type of the cap so concrete here.
However, I still have stocks of them that are enough for at least 40 to 50 more Larry amp heads and I only use them in my DINO, Pure Metal Machine and Thor's Hammer models. Not in the British Purist, not in the Rock Wizard and not in my Wrecky models.

But these caps are one of the keys for the sound, tightness and behavior of the high gain channels of my first 3 mentioned amp models.

Nobody has my custom made transformers which play a very decisive role in the sound of a tube amp. Not only the OT, but also the PT, its behavior at higher volumes and depending on how hard you're picking the strings. Let's say determining the perfect sweet spot between stiffness and spongyness.
And even if someone is stupid enough to disassemble original Larry transformers to study the setup, count the turns and measure the different wire diameters to recreate them, then he still doesn't have the NOS steel from the 80s that I use in my transformers and that is also very crucial.

Go on and try Heyboer's, Mercury Magnetics', Hammond's or whatever transformers in your copy, built on the basis of a Larry circuit diagram - you will be bitterly disappointed.

I could give more examples of why copies of a Larry can never sound like an original Larry, but I prefer to use this time for the finer things in life.

Perhaps to conclude with an insightful story:

During my career, I had the favor of having a total of 8 different Dumble amps on my bench.
And I've had the opportunity to play many different Dumble clones.
Among them were some that sounded really good - but not a single one of these clones had the charm and character of an original Dumble.

No Two-Rock, Bludotone, Van Weelden, Fuchs, aso. had that certain something that was only with the original Dumble's.

I also know why that is. It's little things, details that cloners don't recognize or ignore as unimportant.
But just as that was Dumble's secret, it will remain my secret and just out of reverence for the genius Dumble, I would never offer a Dumble clone myself.

I answer any questions only by email or Facebook messenger, not here in the forum and the old-timers here know why.

Have a nice evening!
 
Since there seem to be some misconceptions going around here, I feel compelled to clarify something here again, so that no one confuses moldy lemons with fresh kiwis and so that no one goes to sleep with false hopes or illusions.

Something basic in advance:

Copying the circuit of another amp does not mean that you have copied this amp in its entirety and does not mean that this copy sounds like the original.

Why?

Even if you have re-engineered the circuit and rebuild it correctly along with all component's values, you still don't have the components of the original available.
In addition, with high-impedance circuits, it is immensely important how the components are positioned in relation to each other, their distances to each other and how the entire wiring runs in the amp, because in high-impedance circuits the current does not only flow in the components and cables.
High-impedance circuits, such as those found in tube amps are teeming with a multitude of electromagnetic fields emanating from the cables and components, all of which influence each other, so that if misdesigned, certain areas of the circuit may tend to oscillate, while other areas may attenuate each other.

This is btw. the reason why old Marshall amps of the same series and from the same year sometimes sound so different from each other. Because "Emma" had wired one amp in her own way, while "Kate" - sitting next to her at work - had wired the same amp model differently.

The difference in sound becomes even more noticeable when you compare earlier Marshall amps that still had their circuits on turret boards with the later models of the same type, where a PCB was used as the basis of the circuit.
Although it is basically the same circuit, the components are of other brands, the positions and distances of the components are different and the internal wiring is also different.

Now to 'copy an original Larry amp':

Nobody has the original Cornell Dublier 170 polypropylene tubular caps and will not get them anywhere, because their production was already stopped in 2010 and there is no stock of them anywhere. If it were different, then I would not have named the type of the cap so concrete here.
However, I still have stocks of them that are enough for at least 40 to 50 more Larry amp heads and I only use them in my DINO, Pure Metal Machine and Thor's Hammer models. Not in the British Purist, not in the Rock Wizard and not in my Wrecky models.

But these caps are one of the keys for the sound, tightness and behavior of the high gain channels of my first 3 mentioned amp models.

Nobody has my custom made transformers which play a very decisive role in the sound of a tube amp. Not only the OT, but also the PT, its behavior at higher volumes and depending on how hard you're picking the strings. Let's say determining the perfect sweet spot between stiffness and spongyness.
And even if someone is stupid enough to disassemble original Larry transformers to study the setup, count the turns and measure the different wire diameters to recreate them, then he still doesn't have the NOS steel from the 80s that I use in my transformers and that is also very crucial.

Go on and try Heyboer's, Mercury Magnetics', Hammond's or whatever transformers in your copy, built on the basis of a Larry circuit diagram - you will be bitterly disappointed.

I could give more examples of why copies of a Larry can never sound like an original Larry, but I prefer to use this time for the finer things in life.

Perhaps to conclude with an insightful story:

During my career, I had the favor of having a total of 8 different Dumble amps on my bench.
And I've had the opportunity to play many different Dumble clones.
Among them were some that sounded really good - but not a single one of these clones had the charm and character of an original Dumble.

No Two-Rock, Bludotone, Van Weelden, Fuchs, aso. had that certain something that was only with the original Dumble's.

I also know why that is. It's little things, details that cloners don't recognize or ignore as unimportant.
But just as that was Dumble's secret, it will remain my secret and just out of reverence for the genius Dumble, I would never offer a Dumble clone myself.

I answer any questions only by email or Facebook messenger, not here in the forum and the old-timers here know why.

Have a nice evening!
FFS! Was waiting for this long winded bullshit… like someone said “Beetlejuice” 3 times. I could give two fat fucks about a Larry clones viability.

I’ve never heard a single clip of the Dino or others that said the cost was worth the price of admission…or the decade it takes to still not get the amp after a deposit is made.

I hope you at least have that somewhere you can copy and paste it, or do you enjoy typing it out every time some says “Larry”?
 
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Why do you react so bitterly?

After all, I'm not to blame for the fact that Reza lost patience two months before his Pure Metal Machine was ready to ship and cancelled his order, destroying your hope of getting this amp to test 🤷‍♂️

You could have ordered your own amp in time, or bought Reza's contract. Now however it doesn't look so favorable, because the current waiting time for a Larry amp is now 5 years.

Nevertheless you should think about it in time, because in 2 years at the latest I will no longer accept any orders at all and will then only build and deliver the existing orders... because I still want to experience a lot in my life that I can't experience sitting here at my bench.

Then you only have the opportunity to discover a used Larry amp on Reverb every two years with a lot of luck, which you can then buy for about twice the new price if you are fast enough.

Otherwise you should be rather quiet if you have no idea about tube amplifier technology and the processes in tube amplifiers. However, this is only my personal and completely unauthoritative opinion.

Have a sweet afternoon 😘
 
Not a Scott Ian or anthrax fan per se but cool amp! I did have a slime green sig Ian cab from Randall that had 2 v30’s and 1 emi legend 15”….. killer cab….
 
Why do you react so bitterly?

After all, I'm not to blame for the fact that Reza lost patience two months before his Pure Metal Machine was ready to ship and cancelled his order, destroying your hope of getting this amp to test 🤷‍♂️

You could have ordered your own amp in time, or bought Reza's contract. Now however it doesn't look so favorable, because the current waiting time for a Larry amp is now 5 years.

Nevertheless you should think about it in time, because in 2 years at the latest I will no longer accept any orders at all and will then only build and deliver the existing orders... because I still want to experience a lot in my life that I can't experience sitting here at my bench.

Then you only have the opportunity to discover a used Larry amp on Reverb every two years with a lot of luck, which you can then buy for about twice the new price if you are fast enough.

Otherwise you should be rather quiet if you have no idea about tube amplifier technology and the processes in tube amplifiers. However, this is only my personal and completely unauthoritative opinion.

Have a sweet afternoon 😘
Not just Reza and honestly, you post that same diatribe anytime the word Larry is mentioned. What I do and don’t know about tube amp technology is not really your concern. Perhaps instead of taking the time to repeat the same story over and over again you should pick up a soldering iron and get some work completed?

Just a thought dear…

Maybe I’m not the bitter one?

It was called the Randall LB103. I've been wanting one for a while.
Yeah man , I’ve been looking since you mentioned it. Saw a half stack for $10k!
 
Perhaps instead of taking the time to repeat the same story over and over again you should pick up a soldering iron and get some work completed?

Do I hear your dad talking out of you right now? Back when you were still a schoolboy?

And how about taking care of your own garden instead of giving your neighbor instructions on how to water his flowers?
 
Do I hear your dad talking out of you right now? Back when you were still a schoolboy?

And how about taking care of your own garden instead of giving your neighbor instructions on how to water his flowers?
Actually my dad left my mom before I was born and now he’s dead. Maybe you can be my dad now.

Papa??

Also, you came into my thread. You’re welcome to see your way out.
 
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