DJT Declares Antifa a Terrorist Organization... Winning Continues!

[japetus]

I just don’t watch the news much. It turns people into fanatics like yourself. It’s a big world out there outside of political drama

I feel as though you are being intellectually dishonest in saying that you do not know what antifa is, and I do not understand why.

 

[Findthetone1]

No, they're not, not as a whole.

There are disjointed cells of people who call themselves antifa and those cells are spread around different places, but there is no central leadership. There doesn't have to be. All there needs to be is the belief that today's right wing conservatism is fascist and should be fought against however possible. It's not complicated, just think about it for like 2 seconds.

Just because you personally want antifa to look as close to al-queda or isil as possible because that's what you're already familiar with doesn't mean that's how it works.

Do you KNOW this for a fact?

 

[DanTravis62]

Do you KNOW this for a fact?

No, he doesn't. Antifa has organizers, and are funded by NGOs. They literally have "chapters" they elect like the AFL-CIO.

He's just parroting the argument the media is making right now.

 

[The Blazing Saddle]

I feel as though you are being intellectually dishonest in saying that you do not know what antifa is, and I do not understand why.

I hope you realize this fucking loser is one of the biggest liars on this forum. He is the know it all about everything when he/she wants to be. Just wants another circle argument. This is what losers with no real life do. I remember someone else just like that.

 

[TheGreatGreen]

Do you KNOW this for a fact?

No, he doesn't. Antifa has organizers, and are funded by NGOs. They literally have "chapters" they elect like the AFL-CIO.

He's just parroting the argument the media is making right now.

Pay attention to what I'm saying. I'm not saying antifa doesn't have groups of people who are organized and violent. I already said there are antifa cells.

I'm saying there is no "Mr Antifa." There is no centralized leadership. There doesn't have to be. Anybody can just decide to fart up a group out of thin air and call it "the Bumblefuck Nowhere branch of Antifa" and it would be just as legit as any other "chapter." Because there is no centralized leadership.

This detail is important for a guy like Trump because it means he can just call anybody an antifa terrorist and there will be nobody to say otherwise, because there is no centralized antifa authority to contradict him.

 

[DanTravis62]

Pay attention to what I'm saying. I'm not saying antifa doesn't have groups of people who are organized and violent. I already said there are antifa cells.

I'm saying there is no "Mr Antifa." There is no centralized leadership. There doesn't have to be.

Well, yeah, just like there's no "Mr Neo Nazi" but no one seems to have a problem designating them as terrorists, and as a violent group do they?

Odd how when it's Ruby Ridge or whatever we have no issues whatsoever in identifying a literal family in the woods as violent extremists, but when it's masked goons sacking cities like Alaric the Visigoth suddenly we might as well not identify them as terrorists because they are decentralized

 

[RGX_Custom]

They are Bolshevik trannies. Started a civil war in Germany after WW1 that has been memory holed. One reason why the NAZIs gained power was because German Bolsheviks were going around terrorizing Germany post WW1 and the reaction was fascism which served to protect small and medium sized businesses who were being targeted by them.
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So in other words you are saying the Nazis were the good guys?

 

[The Blazing Saddle]

Well, yeah, just like there's no "Mr Neo Nazi" but no one seems to have a problem designating them as terrorists, and as a violent group do they?

Odd how when it's Ruby Ridge or whatever we have no issues whatsoever in identifying a literal family in the woods as violent extremists, but when it's masked goons sacking cities like Alaric the Visigoth suddenly we might as well not identify them as terrorists because they are decentralized

They are not considered terrorists to shitlibs because they are fighting for their “cause/ideology”.

 

[TheGreatGreen]

Well, yeah, just like there's no "Mr Neo Nazi" but no one seems to have a problem designating them as terrorists, and as a violent group do they?

Odd how when it's Ruby Ridge or whatever we have no issues whatsoever in identifying a literal family in the woods as violent extremists, but when it's masked goons sacking cities like Alaric the Visigoth suddenly we might as well not identify them as terrorists because they are decentralized

Kinda, yeah. Just like how "neo nazi-ism" does not represent a single monolithic group of people, but rather there are groups or chapters of neo nazis who call themselves some other specific name who are rightly labeled as terrorist groups because they use terrorism as a means to achieve their goals.

Look I'm not defending the group of people who burned down Seattle. Label that group a terrorist organization and put them all in jail. However I think to just call them "antifa" is to miss the mark.

I'm saying the distinction is important between the broader, decentralized "antifa" designation and specific groups under that umbrella who claim to embody those beliefs.

 

[Findthetone1]

Pay attention to what I'm saying. I'm not saying antifa doesn't have groups of people who are organized and violent. I already said there are antifa cells.

I'm saying there is no "Mr Antifa." There is no centralized leadership. There doesn't have to be. Anybody can just decide to fart up a group out of thin air and call it "the Bumblefuck Nowhere branch of Antifa" and it would be just as legit as any other "chapter." Because there is no centralized leadership.

This detail is important for a guy like Trump because it means he can just call anybody an antifa terrorist and there will be nobody to say otherwise, because there is no centralized antifa authority to contradict him.

Because there is no singular leader, they are null and void and therefore NOT and organization or dangerous? Is this your belief?

 

[The Blazing Saddle]

Kinda, yeah. Just like how "neo nazi-ism" does not represent a single monolithic group of people, but rather there are groups or chapters of neo nazis who call themselves some other specific name who are rightly labeled as terrorist groups because they use terrorism as a means to achieve their goals.

Look I'm not defending the group of people who burned down Seattle. Label that group a terrorist organization and put them all in jail. However I think to just call them "antifa" is to miss the mark.

I'm saying the distinction is important between the broader, decentralized "antifa" designation and specific groups under that umbrella who claim to embody those beliefs.

If Joe Biden/Kamala did it, you would praise it. Fucking liar.

 

[TheGreatGreen]

Because there is no singular leader, they are null and void and therefore NOT and organization or dangerous? Is this your belief?

No, that is not my belief.

 

[DanTravis62]

They are not considered terrorists to shitlibs because they are fighting for their “cause/ideology”.

It's funny

Liberals first instinct is ALWAYS to defend their radicals and extremists

And right wingers first instinct is ALWAYS to punch right

Kinda, yeah. Just like how "neo nazi-ism" does not represent a single monolithic group of people, but rather there are groups of neo nazis who call themselves some other name who are rightly labeled as terrorist groups.

Look I'm not defending the group of people who burned down Seattle. Label that group a terrorist organization and put them all in jail.

I'm just saying the distinction is important between the broader, decentralized "antifa" designation and specific groups under that umbrella who claim to embody those beliefs.

You mean like decentralized antifa groups so nebulous and obfuscated that they have their own website, wikipedia entry, and twitter page, like Rose City Antifa?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_City_Antifa

https://rosecityantifa.org/


Listen, I understand the argument you are making. It just looks really disingenuous because I experience the "fight against fascism" locally on a daily basis, and many of these Antifa groups are so brazen that they are completely open in the public about what they do.

It seems like you're making the argument "cant identify antifa because they wear masks, and like, how could you prove it" when these groups literally recruit on my local craigslist

 

[TheGreatGreen]

If Joe Biden/Kamala did it, you would praise it. Fucking liar.

You're saying that if Joe Biden and Kalama Harris personally tried to burn down Seattle, I would have liked it? lol

I mean it would have been funny to see Kamala waddling around town throwing molotov cocktails in her pant-suit though, yeah.

 

[japetus]

Perhaps I will make a broad and sweeping statement.

It isn't hard ID black bloc. I have seen them rolling around for 20 years. If you can't, educate yourself.

 

[The Blazing Saddle]

You're saying that if Joe Biden and Kalama Harris personally tried to burn down Seattle, I would have liked it? lol

I mean it would have been funny to see Kamala waddling around town throwing molotov cocktails in her pant-suit though, yeah.

No dipshit, the cunt would have just bailed out everone who did. I said if those two idiots would have declared Antifa a terrorists group, you would have praised it, period.

 

[TheGreatGreen]

You mean like decentralized antifa groups so nebulous and obfuscated that they have their own website, wikipedia entry, and twitter page, like Rose City Antifa?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_City_Antifa

https://rosecityantifa.org/


Listen, I understand the argument you are making. It just looks really disingenuous because I experience the "fight against fascism" locally on a daily basis, and many of these Antifa groups are so brazen that they are completely open in the public about what they do.

It seems like you're making the argument "cant identify antifa because they wear masks, and like, how could you prove it" when these groups literally recruit on my local craigslist

That "group" might be highly organized, but "antifa" as a whole is not.

The real meat of my argument is that it's too broad for Trump just to say "antifa is a terrorist organization" because antifa not an organization and that lack of clarity would give him too much freedom to just call people antifa and throw them in jail. "Politician I don't like said something I don't like? Obviously that means they're a RADICAL LEFT ANTIFA. Throw them in jail!" That is a huge problem.

Now if he was to classify "the Rose City Antifa chapter" as a terrorist organization after they did terrorism, then yeah that's totally fair, because it's concrete and specific.

 

[Findthetone1]

No, that is not my belief.

What is?

 

[japetus]

The real meat of my argument is that it's too broad for Trump just to say "antifa is a terrorist organization"

It's funny, I have a place that I am an admin, not here, that has a lot of people. I saw the black and red flags flying. All the sudden, people are erasing shit. Well, why so nervous? It's just an idea right?

 

[DanTravis62]

Perhaps I will make a broad and sweeping statement.

It isn't hard ID black bloc. I have seen them rolling around for 20 years. If you can't, educate yourself.

Yeah this seems like a really disingenuous argument, to say that it's impossible to ID them, especially if you've seen it IRL

They aren't exactly cloak and dagger with their recruiting at the local colleges and concerts, and they aren't exactly quiet about their activity - they even brag about the crimes they commit on their personal social media. I've seen it, and I'm sure you've seen similar, too.

That "group" might be highly organized, but "antifa" as a whole is not.

The real meat of my argument is that it's too broad for Trump just to say "antifa is a terrorist organization" because antifa not an organization and that lack of clarity would give him too much freedom to just call people antifa and throw them in jail. "Politician I don't like said something I don't like? Obviously that means they're a RADICAL LEFT ANTIFA. Throw them in jail!" That is a huge problem.

Now if he was to classify "the Rose City Antifa chapter" as a terrorist organization after they did terrorism, then yeah that's totally fair, because it's concrete and specific.

like how we constantly convict regular people of neo nazi domestic terror all the time right now?

This really seems like you're just trying to provide cover for an obviously evil, violent group, and that's why you're getting so much pushback

It's funny, I have a place that I am an admin, not here, that has a lot of people. I saw the black and red flags flying. All the sudden, people are erasing shit. Well, why so nervous? It's just an idea right?

Crazy how that works, right?