200-Yard Shot

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harddriver said:
Can someone explain what law enforcement officials let the Turning Point USA people disassemble an active crime scene before anyone had a chance to secure it for forensics?

Activity that also what looks like people removing SD cards from certain cameras, breaking down the entire tent area immediately after the shooting, wouldn't that be the last thing you think of after one of your friends was just gunned down in cold blood...............from Local law enforcement to the FBI, purely WTF activities. They don't treat a street homicides with the lack of care that it seems they gave a political assassination.............:dunno::dunno::dunno::dunno:

Also can someone explain the lack of EMS services??? AKA an ambulance for such a large event? Usually EMS services are required for any large event LIKE CONCERTS and such just in case ONE person has any kind of emergency ???????????

All of these glaring shortfalls and inconsistent details that the MSM does not really seem to asking???????????????
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As each day passes more questions and even more doubt as to what the real story is.

It really is starting to look like a well organised and concerted effort by more than one or two parties.

Yes, Kirk was influential but this level of cover up seems a bit much for him so there must be so much of this story we'll never get the truth for.

Who do we suspect so far? I've got 3 entities in mind but not for public consumption on this board.
 
harddriver said:
Can someone explain what law enforcement officials let the Turning Point USA people disassemble an active crime scene before anyone had a chance to secure it for forensics?

Activity that also what looks like people removing SD cards from certain cameras, breaking down the entire tent area immediately after the shooting, wouldn't that be the last thing you think of after one of your friends was just gunned down in cold blood...............from Local law enforcement to the FBI, purely WTF activities. They don't treat a street homicides with the lack of care that it seems they gave a political assassination.............:dunno::dunno::dunno::dunno:
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I read that it was law enforcement who REQUESTED them to retrieve the SD cards to hand over for the investigation. That video content isn't going to be released publicly. At least not until well after trial/sentencing. You need to understand that there are probably TONS of details that law enforcement knows that they are not releasing to the public/media. They are using that information for the investigation and trial. They aren't going to spill the beans until the investigation is closed.

harddriver said:
Also can someone explain the lack of EMS services??? AKA an ambulance for such a large event? Usually EMS services are required for any large event LIKE CONCERTS and such just in case ONE person has any kind of emergency ???????????

All of these glaring shortfalls and inconsistent details that the MSM does not really seem to asking???????????????
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Plenty of large events like this at schools around the country. I never once saw EMS on site or even police for that matter at my alma mater. Charlie Kirk wasn't a politician, government official, or figurehead that commanded special treatment from law enforcement.
 
FourT6and2 said:
I read that it was law enforcement who REQUESTED them to retrieve the SD cards to hand over for the investigation.



Plenty of large events like this at schools around the country. I never once saw EMS on site or even police for that matter at my alma mater. Charlie Kirk wasn't a politician, government official, or figurehead that commanded special treatment from law enforcement.
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Since when does law enforcement defer responsibilities like that? I'm talking about immediately after the shooting there doesn't seem to be law enforcement taking control of an active crime scene. These are just observations.
 
FourT6and2 said:
Plenty of large events like this at schools around the country. I never once saw EMS on site or even police for that matter at my alma mater. Charlie Kirk wasn't a politician, government official, or figurehead that commanded special treatment from law enforcement.
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Almost every public event that I have ever gone to, concerts, fairs, carnivals, festivals..........ALL have EMS support. More have then have not.
 
harddriver said:
Almost every public event that I have ever gone to, concerts, fairs, carnivals, festivals..........ALL have EMS support. More have then have not.
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When a town, city, or county hosts a large event, they will most likely have support infrastructure in place. For example, I recently went to an outdoor climbing competition hosted by The North Face. It was a deep-water free solo competition in San Francisco. Thousands of people there to watch competitors climb a floating wall. U.S. Coast Guard was there to patrol the waters to make sure no unauthorized boats endangered the athletes or spectators. There were divers in the water to make sure nobody drowned. SFPD was also there to patrol the crowds on land. And I do believe there was an ambulance somewhere close by just in case.

BUT... this was a PUBLIC event hosted on CITY PROPERTY.

A guest speaker on a college campus feels like a different animal—even at a public school. I wouldn't expect this type of event to have tons of emergency support infrastructure in place unless the guest requested it and paid for it or the school anticipated a large enough crowd to warrant it. This wasn't a 20,000-person concert stadium. This wasn't a government official. This wasn't a large festival or parade or fair or carnival. It was a relatively small public speaking event.

Either way, I don't think it's some huge conspiracy that more police weren't there or EMS wasn't there with freakin' stretchers and gurneys waiting like it's a war zone.
 
Floyd Eye said:
I'm a shotgun junkie. I grew up on quail and woodcock. These days it's mostly high capacity autos, courses and our own homegrown 3 gun shit.
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A bit OT: I read a lot of firearm tests in American Rifleman and am used to seeing 50-100 yard target results. Latest issue tested a reissue of S&W 357 mag "snubnose" with target results of....7 yards. I chuckled.
 
84superchamp said:
A bit OT: I read a lot of firearm tests in American Rifleman and am used to seeing 50-100 yard target results. Latest issue tested a reissue of S&W 357 mag "snubnose" with target results of....7 yards. I chuckled.
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7 yards, while not the maximum effective/lethal range of a snubnose 357/38, is about the outer limit at which that weapon would/should be considered as ideal. Longer big bore revolvers like 6-10" .357/44 and up are much more effective at "Hunting" distances. I've taken my fair share of whitetail out to 100 yards with an unscoped 8.5" .44 Magnum.

I usually close out training sessions with my carry handgun at 50-75-100 yards, but that's just to keep myself capable of making those shots in case I ever need to. 90% of my handgun training is 25 yards and under ( my compacts and subcompacts are zeroed at 15 yards) because almost 100% of legal self defense situations occur there. (Really most of them are under 3 yards, less than 3 seconds long and less than 3 shots fired. It's the rule of 3s)

50-100 yards is where most of my carbine training is. Quite a bit from 0-25 too though. Especially transition drills where you might start with a sidearm at bad breath distances and work your way out to 0 to 50 with a shotgun and/or 0 to 200 with a carbine. I probably should be working out to 300 yards, but my preference for standard 16" carbines is unmagnified reflex or prism sights. I am not a fan of LPVOs for close in work and realistically, since I am not military, LE or tasked with protecting or defending anyone other than myself and my own I spend most of my time working at distances I can justify in court. I do have scoped rifles and carbines for 300-500 yards, but that isn't a big part of my routine.
 
Floyd Eye said:
7 yards, while not the maximum effective/lethal range of a snubnose 357/38, is about the outer limit at which that weapon would/should be considered as ideal. Longer big bore revolvers like 6-10" .357/44 and up are much more effective at "Hunting" distances. I've taken my fair share of whitetail out to 100 yards with an unscoped 8.5" .44 Magnum.

I usually close out training sessions with my carry handgun at 50-75-100 yards, but that's just to keep myself capable of making those shots in case I ever need to. 90% of my handgun training is 25 yards and under ( my compacts and subcompacts are zeroed at 15 yards) because almost 100% of legal self defense situations occur there. (Really most of them are under 3 yards, less than 3 seconds long and less than 3 shots fired. It's the rule of 3s)

50-100 yards is where most of my carbine training is. Quite a bit from 0-25 too though. Especially transition drills where you might start with a sidearm at bad breath distances and work your way out to 0 to 50 with a shotgun and/or 0 to 200 with a carbine. I probably should be working out to 300 yards, but my preference for standard 16" carbines is unmagnified reflex or prism sights. I am not a fan of LPVOs for close in work and realistically, since I am not military, LE or tasked with protecting or defending anyone other than myself and my own I spend most of my time working at distances I can justify in court. I do have scoped rifles and carbines for 300-500 yards, but that isn't a big part of my routine.
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The rule of 3s, I've never seen it before but it instantly makes perfect sense.
 
harddriver said:
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Didn't watch the video. But just looking at the title, the bullet isn't missing.

Utah Code § 26-4-6 mandates autopsies in homicide cases.

The Utah Office of the Medical Examiner stated in court documents that a full forensic autopsy was performed by the state medical examiner's office within 24 hours of Kirk's death. Preliminary findings were released to support the murder charge against Robinson and they confirmed the cause as a "penetrating gunshot wound leading to exsanguination and cardiorespiratory failure, with the manner ruled homicide," and the bullet was recovered lodged in the neck with no exit wound.
 
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