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I'm a caster snob; I think cabs sound better without them :LOL:
Yeah, and I think my amps sound better when I take them out of the flight cases and plug them in. The casters are just there to get it to the stage. Then, you take all 16 off, stack the cabs, hook the amps together, and argue with the sound engineer about stage volume. Every fucking gig.
 
And that same dude is an expert on washers, all high end Suhr products, and can barely play the guitar. That's my biggest gripe....the internet has created instant experts. We all started somewhere, but WTF how is it that the clowns there that are the biggest gear "experts" are the shittiest most inexperienced players ??? Prime example - search TGP in the amps section for thread started by DiPa re Wizard MCII and how butt hurt he was that Rick wouldn't take a phone call to discuss amps.. guy goes on a rant about how he will not give Wizard a dime and doesn't approve of his business practices, only to end up getting one off the used market and suddenly they are fantastic. 40 - 50 pages deep now. You'll see my responses up front including the one that got me banned previously calling him out for being an attention whoooore. Fair enough the guy did end up posting a clip of him playing the amp, the clip only supports exactly what I'm saying. Spend your money on whatever you want, but don't confuse the ability to spend with the ability to play. Dude goes all passive aggressive on anybody that calls him out too, but I got reported :ROFLMAO:

What page is DiPas clip on? I've been looking for a while for it. I saw Henson's (his stuff is always good)
 
pages 27 and 28. You can literally hear the tan pants.
THANK YOU

Its always like pulling teeth hearing these "Tone Connoisseurs" actually play the fucking guitar.


I wonder why.

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Dipa totally plays "la grange" at the county fair in his khakis
 
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The "snob" part is about how you act, not what you have. It's fine to have great gear but it's not fine to refuse to acknowledge that anything less expensive or rare could be just as good, which it often can be in the right hands.
This 100%. Sam Braintheory may be a gear connoisseur, but he’s the furthest thing away from being a gear ”snob.”
He’ll gladly acknowledge if a cheaper piece of gear can hang with his unicorns. In fact, he seeks them out.
 
Absolutely.

Those "grab and go" afficianados don't understand that a tiny terror or blues Jr or deluxe or whatever 15 watt 1x12 is going to be completely drowned the fuck out by any competent metal or punk drummer on planet earth.

I've played with drummers that drowned out a hot rod deluxe ffs

Those types don't seem to understand that not every gig is the county fair, with everything neatly miced and coming through the monitors.
Haha it’s always certain; in any band I’ve ever been in that my hearing loss is tied to my drummers far more than my amps…stage volume is always determined by the drummer.
My last band; our drummer is a huge metal fan so his kit is a cage/double kick 12 cymbal thing with its own zip code…lol…he dragged me out to a metal show locally with a Canadian band Threat Signal…GREAT show…cool guys and Matt heard a super cool drum ‘riff’ so he then incorporated it into like EVERY cover tune we did for a few months haha.
 
This 100%. Sam Braintheory may be a gear connoisseur, but he’s the furthest thing away from being a gear ”snob.”
He’ll gladly acknowledge if a cheaper piece of gear can hang with his unicorns. In fact, he seeks them out.
Exactly. This gear obsession we have, some don’t feel there are obvious differences between certain rigs, tubes, guitars, types of wood or finish used on guitars…for all of you that don’t hear differences we’re happy for you. No need to try out other things; you are set. The rest of us DO hear differences in all those things and ENJOY the tone chase that we are on. Doesn’t make either point of view right or wrong; it is what it is.
Those of you that love your JJs, be happy that you do. Me? I’m happy as hell that I have a shit ton of far better sounding (IMO) EL34s and 12ax7s to last me until the end of my days.
 
Not speaking about the specific person you quote, but IME, majority of people that invest the time and money into finding and buying the unicorns are the people most vocal on forums, such as this, about why their unicorns are the best. Rarely, if ever, are cheaper gear given the acknowledgement you describe above. Simply because, if something 1/4 of the price is a reasonable comparison then they and their unicorn will be less revered.

All those new Mark3 owners that paid $2k+ will surely tout how there's no way a Mark 5 can compare. Or those C+ owners that paid $6k, surely the "cheaper" Mark3 can't even come close.

Hell, we see this from Wizard owners all the time.

I do agree though with one of the comments above that having expensive gear doesn't equate to snobbery. Snobbery is the act of sticking your nose up at those that don't conform to your belief. Expensive/inexpensive, doesn't matter it's the act of simply refusing to acknowledge that someone with a differing opinion could also be right.

I definitely never shut up about how my Larry is the best and is right for me, but I can certainly understand how it might not be right for everyone.

And honestly, if someone can actually play and is a gear snob/constantly talks about how their choices are the best, more power to them. Maybe it IS best for THEM.

I just think it's hilarious when people like the TGP guy @velcro fly was talking about go on and on about their tone search, and honestly have very little business talking about differences in tone for high end amps.

Also, I probably know more people who do the opposite of what you're talking about - I had a dude on the Facebook HMAP page tell me he could cop any of my recorded Larry tones with his boss katana. ?
 
This 100%. Sam Braintheory may be a gear connoisseur, but he’s the furthest thing away from being a gear ”snob.”
He’ll gladly acknowledge if a cheaper piece of gear can hang with his unicorns. In fact, he seeks them out.

I think that's the best way to be, and how I try and look at gear too. A lot of guys would be amazed at how much their world can open up once they stop limiting themselves in terms of what they will and won't plug into.

Like for example, I own a Dual Recto Multi Watt, an EVH EL34 100w, and an ENGL 570 preamp + Mesa Triaxis + VHT 2/90/2. Love em. Not the rarest most expensive gear ever but it's generally acknowledged to be top-shelf, professional-grade gear that's desirable and will sit next to any other high gain rigs in the world just fine, etc.

Well, a couple weekends ago I picked up a Peavey Transtube Supreme 100 head for $170. Literally a mid-90's silver stripe Peavey Bandit in head format (confirmed by Peavey tech support) for 10% of the price or even less than what some of the above amps go for. And guess what... that amp with an EQ in the loop can be dialed to sound, without exaggeration, every bit as good for some tones as any of the above mentioned tube amps, and for WAY less money. It's even got its own thing going that can be better in some ways for some sounds than my much more expensive tube amps, like for example some tones are way better with the infinite-tightness of a solid-state amp that tube amps have a much harder time getting.

On another point, a few years back, I was lucky enough to play a Dumble ODS with its matching vertical 2x12 for about a half-hour or so at Gruhn's Guitars in Nashville with something like a 64 Strat. basically the average TGP forumite's eternal desert island dream rig. I could appreciate the rarity of the situation and I could hear the kinds of sounds the rig was geared towards getting, but I personally didn't like it at all. The guitar felt good but no matter how I dialed the amp, it just wasn't for me by any measure. And I know I mentioned a bunch of super high gain heads above but don't think I was sitting there doing Ola-style chugging through the Dumble and complaining that it didn't chug good lol. I tried to dial it in and play the guitar to the rig's strengths. It just wasn't for me by any stretch. I've vastly preferred tones I've gotten out of far cheaper rigs, even for similar kinds of vintage creamy lead thing it does.

Basically, money =/= tone, and rarity =/= tone. No reason to be snobby about any of it, all that does is gatekeep people from real, actual information they can use to make music that benefits everybody.
 
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If I ever post another video of me playing Death and Amon Amarth riffs on TGP, I'm gonna put on a pair of khakis and boat shoes!

If you do AA, do some of their badass old shit like "Legend of a Banished Man" or "Versus the World."
 
Not speaking about the specific person you quote, but IME, majority of people that invest the time and money into finding and buying the unicorns are the people most vocal on forums, such as this, about why their unicorns are the best. Rarely, if ever, are cheaper gear given the acknowledgement you describe above. Simply because, if something 1/4 of the price is a reasonable comparison then they and their unicorn will be less revered.

All those new Mark3 owners that paid $2k+ will surely tout how there's no way a Mark 5 can compare. Or those C+ owners that paid $6k, surely the "cheaper" Mark3 can't even come close.

Hell, we see this from Wizard owners all the time.

I do agree though with one of the comments above that having expensive gear doesn't equate to snobbery. Snobbery is the act of sticking your nose up at those that don't conform to your belief. Expensive/inexpensive, doesn't matter it's the act of simply refusing to acknowledge that someone with a differing opinion could also be right.
I'm all about cheap and good deals and love it when inexpensive stuff blows out cork sniffer products....I rarely buy brand new items, the SLO 30 I just got is the exception and only because i got a screaming deal, less than I could find one used. Sheeeeit I own and sing the praises of the least expensive Wizard you can get ( I know, Worlds Tallest Midget hahah) and admittedly besides the fact the MC25 just plain works part of my reluctance to get a 50 / 100 watter is the price. Bottom line though is I've found few amps that do what the Wizards do, the SLO30 gets closest on the low watt platform. When it comes to bolt on neck guitars I'll take my sub $1000 Partsacasters all day long vs tying up $3k or whatever in a Suhr or an Anderson (I've had a few Andersons).... Is the finish going to be as nice as those? not even remotely close, but there's no question after a correct setup they will play and sound as good. I really wish Charvel necks weren't so skinny because I would love to have one you can get used for under $800. You get what you can afford and are comfortable with, I'm personally not comfortable having $5k tied up in an amp or a guitar and know for a fact that I could make a properly setup $500 Mexico built Telecaster work just fine. I've been at this a long time and I'm fortunate to have what I have now, but know I could get it done with less and for less.
 
If I ever post another video of me playing Death and Amon Amarth riffs on TGP, I'm gonna put on a pair of khakis and boat shoes!
If you got a pair of enormous bolt-on's you could get like 500k YouTube followers in that outfit too :ROFLMAO: I got banned from TGP two weeks ago for starting that thread too, one more infraction and I'm perma-banned according to them.
 
If you do AA, do some of their badass old shit like "Legend of a Banished Man" or "Versus the World."

I'm not as well versed on AA as I am with Death. I'll check out those tracks. I just put up a quick clip of that new Back into the Oar song intro riff as I was figuring it out.
 
Not speaking about the specific person you quote, but IME, majority of people that invest the time and money into finding and buying the unicorns are the people most vocal on forums, such as this, about why their unicorns are the best. Rarely, if ever, are cheaper gear given the acknowledgement you describe above. Simply because, if something 1/4 of the price is a reasonable comparison then they and their unicorn will be less revered.

All those new Mark3 owners that paid $2k+ will surely tout how there's no way a Mark 5 can compare. Or those C+ owners that paid $6k, surely the "cheaper" Mark3 can't even come close.

Hell, we see this from Wizard owners all the time.

I do agree though with one of the comments above that having expensive gear doesn't equate to snobbery. Snobbery is the act of sticking your nose up at those that don't conform to your belief. Expensive/inexpensive, doesn't matter it's the act of simply refusing to acknowledge that someone with a differing opinion could also be right.
I am a MK III $2k+ SELLER and I will tell you it blows away the MK V for metal tones :)
 
I've owned a fucking lot of amps. And a lot of unicorns. I've let a lot of them go because they just weren't right for the things I want to play. There are a lot of pieces of gear that really punch above their weight and hang in there with some boutique builds. Some boutique things are unique and there aren't good clones or imitations and that's part of what drives the price. And...some high end stuff just isn't that good. I've had a lot of amps that are highly sought after that I was not that impressed by, or, alternatively, did something that heavily overlapped with other items that were way cheaper or even did it better. I like to try a lot of stuff to have an informed opinion. Bottom line, if you can play, you can play, and you'll sound good through fried dog shit. Everything else is just preferences.

It's good to be well-informed and not just buy shit for the sake of flexing. If someone has experience with a piece of gear and can give me a well-rounded opinion, especially about how that stacks up to something else, it goes a long way for me. That's part of why I hang out on this forum with you crazy bastards.
 
I think that's the best way to be, and how I try and look at gear too. A lot of guys would be amazed at how much their world can open up once they stop limiting themselves in terms of what they will and won't plug into.

Like for example, I own a Dual Recto Multi Watt, an EVH EL34 100w, and an ENGL 570 preamp + Mesa Triaxis + VHT 2/90/2. Love em. Not the rarest most expensive gear ever but it's generally acknowledged to be top-shelf, professional-grade gear that's desirable and will sit next to any other high gain rigs in the world just fine, etc.

Well, a couple weekends ago I picked up a Peavey Transtube Supreme 100 head for $170. Literally a mid-90's silver stripe Peavey Bandit in head format (confirmed by Peavey tech support) for 10% of the price or even less than what some of the above amps go for. And guess what... that amp with an EQ in the loop can be dialed to sound, without exaggeration, every bit as good as any of the above mentioned tube amps for WAY less money. It's even got its own thing going that can be better in some ways for some sounds than my much more expensive tube amps, like for example some tones are way better with the infinite-tightness of a solid-state amp that tube amps have a much harder time getting.

On another point, I was lucky enough to play a Dumble ODS with its matching vertical 2x12 for about a half-hour or so at Gruhn's Guitars in Nashville a few years back with something like a 64 Strat. basically the eternal TGP forumite's desert island dream rig. I could appreciate the rarity of the situation and I could hear the kinds of sounds the rig was geared towards getting, but I personally didn't like it at all. The guitar felt good but no matter how I dialed the amp, it just wasn't for me by any measure. And I know I mentioned a bunch of super high gain heads above but don't think I was sitting there doing Ola-style chugging through the Dumble and complaining that it didn't chug good lol. I tried to dial it in and play the guitar to the rig's strengths. It just wasn't for me by any stretch. I've vastly preferred tones I've gotten out of far cheaper rigs, even for similar kinds of vintage creamy lead thing it does.

Basically, money =/= tone, and rarity =/= tone. No reason to be snobby about any of it, all that does is gatekeep people from real, actual information they can use to make music that benefits everybody.
The peavey trans tube supreme, is a nice amp. Used to have the same model you describe and it always served me well, wish I would have held onto it.
 
The peavey trans tube supreme, is a nice amp. Used to have the same model you describe and it always served me well, wish I would have held onto it.

Yeah I'm really getting a lot out of it. I bought it because I've always remembered my old Bandit 1x12 pretty fondly, but really never liked the 1x12 open back combo format. I got a ton of use out of it when I was learning to play though. Practice, gigs, everything. I've always wished Peavey made a head out of it.

Well, turns out they did! It just wasn't called a Bandit. Took me like 20+ years to realize that lol but once I found out, I went online and found one locally for sale and picked it up. Turns out it is as good as I remember and when it's plugged into a closed back cab I like, it's great!
 
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