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[Ventura]

Aren't Sovtek LPS the same as the GL-ECC83/12AX7 ??

Just a question.

Nice to see ya postin' here ya bugger

Mo

I like the 12ax7lps better.

Ya, I know a number of people who prefer the Sovtek over the Gold Lion - but like I said, would appear to me they're all just the same glass with different badges on them. Therefore, the same.

 

[just42dave]

very close in structure

 

[Ventura]

very close in structure

So not the same.

Sovtek and GL are both Russian made for these specific tubes.
I've looked at both and they look identical right down to the weld within the bottle.
Same colored wire/leads, glass tint, everything.

 

[1meanplexi]

Although I think your OP had good intentions.....I have to admit that while reading it, I thought I was looking in a blender and had to figure out what was thrown in there .

 

[just42dave]

very close in structure

So not the same.

Sovtek and GL are both Russian made for these specific tubes.
I've looked at both and they look identical right down to the weld within the bottle.
Same colored wire/leads, glass tint, everything.

20.00 diiference in tube price lol one has spiral filament

 

[thickwood]

I tried out the genalex ecc83 short plate in my roommates Fender blues jr. and cant get it back from him !
Its a warm tube with tremendous round midrange an very smooth highs.
His ovation elec piezo acoustic works like it should now he says.
His LP Jr guitar with a vintage Rat Pedal had him so happy , he was into jammin that thing like it was a whole new sound.

I thought it to mellow on the high for me, i like more soaring highs on the slide that the genalex had.
The long plate genalex is has more highs and the Sovtek 12ax7lps has a little more highs still.
But the sovtek is a awesome phase inverter that improves as you gain your amp up it seems.

Im going to put the tungsol gold back in the OD channel for reference when those Jadis 12ax7b arrive for the rebel 30 head !
I did notice the genalex short plate didnt compress much like other tubes as the gain went up,maybe thats why it took the rat pedal so well.

Jadis 12ax7 have no reviews i can find, i just hope there good, the seller has a new 5751 made for the hifi folks and im watching those !
Shipping takes a little time and if a typhoon shows up dont hold your breath huh !

 

[Ventura]

Tung Sols need to be wary of cathode follower positions (bit bright too)
5751 is great to add some headroom and tame the gain (I stuck one of these in my V3 TwinJet, sounds awesome now)
ECC83 Gold Lion sound delicious, even though they're priced ridiculously.
LPS are nice, but I've always got a weeee bit of hiss with them.
Ei Yugo in the PI slot and LPS in the PI slot - money.
GL-ECC83 in V1 - money.

YMMV.

 

[thickwood]

Ventura your right on all counts.
Any of those tungsol or EH or new sencor spiral element 12ax7 tube should fail in cathode follower positions.
I give those 1 week in a PI sockett,ive seen to many forum members tell the same story .

My gold lion 12ax7 tubes are in my amps, all of them.
The GL have a great natural tube like sound with a even EQ thats hits you big in all registers unlike another good tube and thats a ruby select 12ax7ac7 and 12ax7ac5 as these are real good but have a more soilid state sound to me, but a sweetness in the highs with single coils !

WHICH GUITAR AMPS HAVE CATHODE FOLLOWER PRE AMP CIRCUITS would be a great list to generate in RT for us not to burn tubes up .IMOP

 

[ke2]

Oh, don't think I wasn't scratching my head reading through that. It reminded me of reading a review of my CD that was written in Swedish and converted to English using one of those online converters.

I'm not trying to scold anyone either. I'm just saying Uli Roth or Akira Takasaki might have trouble typing the best English grammar posts on a forum but they have things to say I may dig deep into to try and learn.

I don't think I used an online converter when I translated the review
But I probably did it in a hurry, because I wanted you to be able to see it as fast as I could type it
I think I get by in English, but it is my 2nd language, and sometimes it shows

 

[thickwood]

It takes practice when i cant see what the words i type until the letters begin to appear,i have a update that somehow slowed down everything.
Ive got it working again and its improved some.

The 2 tubes are a mystrey to reviewers and could not find anyone who has tried them, so i wrote it as a mystrey of deduction on who is making what tube for who and hopefully i made a interesting purchase of the Jadis and genalex short plate 12ax7 .
It takes careful writing to lead a person to your deduction.

I failed to do it correctly, besides it takes patients to read and i should have been more strait forward for sure.

Anyway the genalex short plate $20.00 tube has a very warm great tube like tone thats recessed in the highs great for a strident high strung amp.
Over driven its a bar chord dream, rock & roll chords and single note attack is sweeter than any tube if ever had, but i misssd the highs for my style or taste.
Solved that question on what that tube can do,i need another for my laney vc-30 the highs are very strident and i dont use but consider it a stage power amp cranked to 6-7 then its great like a AC-30 and smooths out awesome !
My roomy walters Blues Jr. has the genalex and i cant take it from him, he is luving that organic tube sound and was raving it never was sounding this good , somehow he was doing chords with his vintage rat pedal lol .

I still await the Jadis labled Psvane tube,Psvane has only 2 designs for 12ax7 tubes for sale -the Mk 1 and Mk 2 and there high end audio tubes with no reviews for guitar amp folks, but the audiphile crowd luvs these with terms like dimension with a big sound staging and dead quiet da da spatial you get it !
Those Jadis were only $20.99 a pair on sale now and Jadis labled 5751 are for sale cheap too,$22.99 per pair i think.
Sept 18-25th is shipping estimate for arrival, if there promising i will get the 5751 tubes too.

I thought EH tubes were a high pitched tube but i put a EH gold ax7 in my rebel 30 and it sounded like a tungsol ?
Nothing like my standard EH as i remember them.
Weird because its been just collecting dust,i just assumed wrongly it was the same ole shrill tube in my amp ,others i remember seem to have been.

I cant find anybody who has tried the full music 12ax7 at $32.50 a tube or $65.00 per pair but that high quality tube is another design also.
I was hoping others may have tried those so i cant be tempted , i do luv the tube tone and only live once so im talking myself into trying those too !!!
I should ask the seller if these tubes are ok in cathode follower designs to pass it along to the Marchall & Orange guys and others too.

 

[just42dave]

bogner

 

[thickwood]

I would keep the Fryette and all the NOS tubes if i were you.
Good bunch of amps there dave , and i believe you prefere single coils.
Have you tried lace singles ?
Are you gassing for a bogner too ?

 

[thickwood]

I have a couple 5751 and the jan phillips is real good.
So for a comparison i ordered the 5751 pair PSvane made for Jadis .
I told myself another pair of 5751 is great idea,well see at $25.00 a pair and well below NOS price !

Still await the jadis 12ax7 pair that are in route !

 

[Ventura]

You're coming along nicely, thickwood

 

[thickwood]

Those Jadis 12ax7 arrived and there different and has double layered mica at the bottom and the top mica has another mica 3/16" above it for support.
It has a good bit of attack clean and breaks up well but i thought it lost its composure in simple chords to early for me.
So i went from a emenince wizard speaker to a 2-10" ledgend 1258 pair for a improved defined chording but the breakup kinda smeared the the notes and were lost still.

So the OD on the rebel 30 needed a tube switch and i put in a NOS mullard and a little hiss was now there but the improvement was great.
So the Jadis got stomped for OD sound, the mullard got thick and mean but the notes held up well and theres not many tubes i can say this about.
The EH 12ax7 Gold is another surprize,that tube has the big notes that come out and it smoked the Tungsol gold because the TS had more grit and breaks up into badazz distortion past my usable realm of single coil mean 90 and gibson p94 pickups.

The genalex 12ax7 is a very good quality sounding tube and sounds great !
I was surprized the Jadis 12ax7 breakup on the higher registers and bends had real attitude for real , great for a lead only channel i think.
When i hear the right tube i will know it now i believe !

 

[C1-ocaster]

The guys posts are difficult to read yes, but if we end up learning about a new 12ax7 that is worthwhile, I'll wade through and see if there is anything to it.

We don't have to be so hard on the guy. English may not be his first language or he may be an amazing guitarist that didn't spend enough time on grammar. Regardless, I didn't come here to read a term paper, I came to talk gear and unless this is a horrible Spam job, I'm going to look into these.

I agree with your sentiment.
This is not English grammur skool.

But, it certainly does help to wryte in a koheesive mannor, because, if you're trying to help and edumakate peepole on sumting like
toobz than it hellps to right it so sheeple kan understaind.

True, the OP may have some important news, but spending more time deciphering the writing than thinking about what he's trying to say makes it difficult to follow.
It's not about spelling or grammar, just at leest right it soh it mayks cents.


OP: Thanks for all of your experimenting and info.
I do I apologize for my other comment as it was a bit harshly stated.
I don't apologize and stand by my opinion that writing for comprehension is important.
It helps the reader to understand the message and adds credibility to the writer.

 

[just42dave]

I have a pair of seimen 12ax7 and about 20 Ei tubes for sale if anyone is interested
12ax7c 8th gen are money and I have 100 of them PM ME