20th XTC - 34's or 6L6?

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Preference? Why do I ask, you ask? :D :D :D

I just got a brand spanking new 6L6 version built and sent to me from Brad/Bogner. It was ordered last year, and with the holidays, NAMM, the cabinet guy and other delays, took a while to get done. Anyway, it showed up yesterday.

I had owned a 34 version before and 4 or 5 101B's, but all 34 set ups. When I ordered this one, I decided to go with 6L6 as that is what the amp was designed around and thought it may be a bit different than my other 34 based amps. I was sort of wanting a good 3 channel amp to cover a bunch of stuff that was a bit different from all my mods. Meanwhile, the new Diezel D-Moll showed up and rose quickly to the top of the heap. I had already made my mind up to sell this Bogner as soon as it got delivered. But, after about an hour of messing around with it and setting it up, I really found some things I like in this amp.

Channel 1 is sufficient. Channel 2 is still the money shot for the 20th to me, just like the 34. But, I hear some stuff with the 6L6 that was there with the 34's. With the gain maxed on Blue, it sits right there where one needs it. Channel 3 I think is where I was originally missing the 34's, but with a little knob twisting and switch flipping, it really comes alive. Not huge or massive metal tone by any means, but almost just right for my AIC/Metallica sort of requirements. Neither channel gets woofy or muddy with the 6L6 regardless of how you dial up the bottom end. I haven't opened it up yet, and assume it is filled across the board with Chinese 9's and JJ 6L6's.

I order this fucker loaded with every option. Plus, I upgraded to a Plexi shell with bronco tolex - not that girly girl comet crap. Anyway, I think it is going to hang around for a bit. Things might get interesting. I've always had something Bogner hanging around here and have been through quite a few Ubers, Shiva's, XTC's and a Fish. I must say the 20th 6L6 is a bit different and in a good way.

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Not sure.....but there is a Guy Richedie that knows a few things about Bogners.... :lol: :LOL:
I am sure he can help in this area.
 
Mine has the "girly comet crap"...and I like it! :gethim:

...real men use EL34's by the way!!! :lol: :LOL:


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rlord1974":3qiv5l5w said:
Is that a replacement head shell on an older 101B?


Yes, my 101B is a 2008. Just bought a brand new OS-2x12 from Bogner and wanted the curtains to match the carpet! :D
 
SLOgriff":e9kl6bmo said:
rlord1974":e9kl6bmo said:
Is that a replacement head shell on an older 101B?


Yes, my 101B is a 2008. Just bought a brand new OS-2x12 from Bogner and wanted the curtains to match the carpet! :D


oh boy.... :emofag: :grim: :emofag: :grim: :emofag: :grim:
 
something off beat going on here...
notice sir steve and sloG seem to have very similar amps at about the same time...think some outerspace time travel machine hokuspokus amp nymphomania, or is it some bad herbs lace from asteroids dust that am inhaling.
Notice sloG always has an amp in his passenger seat, trying to match the interior, well the new updated rack mountable hairdresser's lazerbox would be a better fit, try another car. (lives in caR ?) (matching curtains and all... i don't know....)
i don't know,, just wired vibes.. probably its my meds.... :confused:
 
pstar":1mk3ib47 said:
something off beat going on here...
notice sir steve and sloG seem to have very similar amps at about the same time...think some outerspace time travel machine hokuspokus amp nymphomania, or is it some bad herbs lace from asteroids dust that am inhaling.
Notice sloG always has an amp in his passenger seat, trying to match the interior, well the new updated rack mountable hairdresser's lazerbox would be a better fit, try another car. (lives in caR ?) (matching curtains and all... i don't know....)
i don't know,, just wired vibes.. probably its my meds.... :confused:


First off, apologies to steve_k for hijacking his NAD thread! Congrats!! ;)

That new picture of my 101B in my car seat was supposed to be my new "avatar" since I sold my SLO's and back to Bogner's again....but I cannot change my avatar pic to save my life and is stuck with the SLO.
 
SLOgriff":10txvuv7 said:
pstar":10txvuv7 said:
something off beat going on here...
notice sir steve and sloG seem to have very similar amps at about the same time...think some outerspace time travel machine hokuspokus amp nymphomania, or is it some bad herbs lace from asteroids dust that am inhaling.
Notice sloG always has an amp in his passenger seat, trying to match the interior, well the new updated rack mountable hairdresser's lazerbox would be a better fit, try another car. (lives in caR ?) (matching curtains and all... i don't know....)
i don't know,, just wired vibes.. probably its my meds.... :confused:


First off, apologies to steve_k for hijacking his NAD thread! Congrats!! ;)

That new picture of my 101B in my car seat was supposed to be my new "avatar" since I sold my SLO's and back to Bogner's again....but I cannot change my avatar pic to save my life and is stuck with the SLO.

Yes, back on track now that we have the fashion statement sorted out..... :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL:

34's or 6L6's - opinions/experience/preference :thumbsup:
 
34s hands down FTW.

And that's a big .

(I've got GL-KT77s in mine now and it's almost rude how damn good it sounds).

Happy for you thought, Bro!! The 20th is in a league of its own.
 
Ventura":391p232s said:
34s hands down FTW.

And that's a big .

(I've got GL-KT77s in mine now and it's almost rude how damn good it sounds).

Happy for you thought, Bro!! The 20th is in a league of its own.

IDK bro..... :D

Probably the 34's would be better on the Green channel. I wouldn't live there much anyway. Blue, I can't tell much difference (best I can remember). Blue is the honey hole on this amp though. A single channel of that would be a hell of an amp on its own. But, I am thinking 6L6's on the Red channel sound great. Probably lacks a bit of bottom end as compared to the 34's. But, best I remember, the 6L6's make the amp more open, less dark and much less compressed on the Red channel.

Back to you :lol: :LOL:
 
hhhmm, gl kt77's... maybe 6ca7's compromise between 34 &77, might be interesting in this app.
 
steve_k":jo5a0tcg said:
Ventura":jo5a0tcg said:
34s hands down FTW.

And that's a big .

(I've got GL-KT77s in mine now and it's almost rude how damn good it sounds).

Happy for you thought, Bro!! The 20th is in a league of its own.

IDK bro..... :D

Probably the 34's would be better on the Green channel. I wouldn't live there much anyway. Blue, I can't tell much difference (best I can remember). Blue is the honey hole on this amp though. A single channel of that would be a hell of an amp on its own. But, I am thinking 6L6's on the Red channel sound great. Probably lacks a bit of bottom end as compared to the 34's. But, best I remember, the 6L6's make the amp more open, less dark and much less compressed on the Red channel.

Back to you :lol: :LOL:

Usually 34s are known to be a bit worse for clean tones, while excelling at gainy tones. I'd think your clean channel is the best it can be right now with the 6L6s.
 
BTW, here's a pretty damn good comparison of 20th Ecstasy w/ 34 vs 6L6:







One of the few comparison demos where I can almost "feel" the difference. He did a good job showing the dynamics and response IMO.
 
steve_k":389wr3uy said:

That amp is fucking - :shocked:...Love the plexi headshell on it.

I'd go the Ventura way myself, with the GL 77's in that bad boy and split the difference.

Enjoy it Steve. :thumbsup:
 
In the high dollar amp department, I think it is going to be Diezel for the win..... :D

The Boggie is going back like Jack - in the box.
 
steve_k":mrr4dy8p said:
In the high dollar amp department, I think it is going to be Diezel for the win..... :D

The Boggie is going back like Jack - in the box.
Wait a sec man, you selling this thing after, what, a couple days of test driving it already?

I didn't even get to comment of my thoughts of 6L6 versus EL34 (which, if yer selling, are a moot point anyway).

What gives :dunno:
 
Ventura":2xpa8bfg said:
steve_k":2xpa8bfg said:
In the high dollar amp department, I think it is going to be Diezel for the win..... :D

The Boggie is going back like Jack - in the box.
Wait a sec man, you selling this thing after, what, a couple days of test driving it already?

I didn't even get to comment of my thoughts of 6L6 versus EL34 (which, if yer selling, are a moot point anyway).

What gives :dunno:

This is Steve we're talking about here. :lol: :LOL: D-Moll is another amp I'd love to take for a spin, but I just can't imagine it'd top the VH4.
 
glassjaw7":7kzm373p said:
Ventura":7kzm373p said:
steve_k":7kzm373p said:
In the high dollar amp department, I think it is going to be Diezel for the win..... :D

The Boggie is going back like Jack - in the box.
Wait a sec man, you selling this thing after, what, a couple days of test driving it already?

I didn't even get to comment of my thoughts of 6L6 versus EL34 (which, if yer selling, are a moot point anyway).

What gives :dunno:

This is Steve we're talking about here. :lol: :LOL: D-Moll is another amp I'd love to take for a spin, but I just can't imagine it'd top the VH4.
VH4 is a perfect amp.

Then again, was taking my 20thA-EL34 X for a spin this morning... I love that amp. But we all know this already.
 

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