4 channel JVM for metal?

[skoora]

Have no idea what model of Peters it was but played an older head (single row of controls with symbols for the mini toggles) and found it to have a very soft overdrive. Granted it was used at a GC and I don’t know what tubes were in it or if it had been modded but did not care for it at all. I’ve wanted to hear a Peters for a long time and still would like to hear others as there’s some good clips around, but this head was not a good how do you do. I find JVM’s fairly one dimensional. IMO, it can’t be dialed with any variety other than what level of saturation you want. Not a bad amp but doesn’t blow my skirt up either.

If you’re ever in a situation to buy something without needing the Peters to make it happen I agree with those who said a Kemper may do it for you

 

[JamesPeters]

Have no idea what model of Peters it was but played an older head (single row of controls with symbols for the mini toggles) and found it to have a very soft overdrive.

Probably the Halo, which is basically a clean amp which has overdrive if you crank it all the way up. (The basis of my clean channels for most of the dual and triple channel amps I've made over the years.) Most people haven't heard the most aggressive sounding amps I've made. So many people have made posts like this, saying "I tried a Peters but I don't know which one".

I've made lots of different designs ranging from clean to very aggressive modern high gain. Unless you know what model it was, you can't know where it might fit into my amp lineup history (17+ years at this point).

GNL for that matter wasn't intended to be the most aggressive design I made, even when I designed it. FSM was, at that time. Now it's Plasma Blade. It was made clear to DJ Rose before he bought it that GNL might not make him happy, and I strongly recommended he get Plasma Blade instead. As a secondary option, I passed along the contact info of someone who owns a Chimera amp (because he said he'd prefer a used Chimera). He bought the GNL anyway.

 

[Candiria]

Conquering Dystopia's guitars were recorded with Kemper profiles of a modded 5150 and modded JCM 800.

 

[skoora]

Have no idea what model of Peters it was but played an older head (single row of controls with symbols for the mini toggles) and found it to have a very soft overdrive.

Probably the Halo, which is basically a clean amp which has overdrive if you crank it all the way up. (The basis of my clean channels for most of the dual and triple channel amps I've made over the years.) Most people haven't heard the most aggressive sounding amps I've made. So many people have made posts like this, saying "I tried a Peters but I don't know which one".

I've made lots of different designs ranging from clean to very aggressive modern high gain. Unless you know what model it was, you can't know where it might fit into my amp lineup history (17+ years at this point).

GNL for that matter wasn't intended to be the most aggressive design I made, even when I designed it. FSM was, at that time. Now it's Plasma Blade. It was made clear to DJ Rose before he bought it that GNL might not make him happy, and I strongly recommended he get Plasma Blade instead. As a secondary option, I passed along the contact info of someone who owns a Chimera amp (because he said he'd prefer a used Chimera). He bought the GNL anyway.

This one definitely had gain controls for distortion as it did have a fair amount of saturation on tap. Just couldn’t get it to be tight or spanky at all. But as you said someone may have ordered one to be voiced that way. My soft and dark is someone’s smooth and warm etc etc.

 

[JamesPeters]

This one definitely had gain controls for distortion as it did have a fair amount of saturation on tap. Just couldn’t get it to be tight or spanky at all. But as you said someone may have ordered one to be voiced that way. My soft and dark is someone’s smooth and warm etc etc.

That also could've been the Polaris, Gryphon, etc., some other designs which don't have modern high gain.

This is why when someone finds a used amp and asks me "will I like it for modern high gain", the answer is usually no. I have designs for that, but they're not as common as all the others. Plus my latest design (Plasma Blade) is best for that.

 

[dxjxrose]

as i said "i wanted to try it"... i didnt come on here and attack the amp or say even a bad word about it. its just not for me.... i like tight with high gain. its ok im not sour and someday when i do have a couple grand plus to drop on an amp ill prob order what ever one Mr. Peters suggests. i scored this amp at a very good deal and figured id try it. ive only had a few amps i couldnt boost into the territory i like so why not give it a shot. again the amp is amazing at what it does just what it does isnt for me. once again thanx for giving us crazy tone seekers more options and making sucha great line of amps...

 

[JamesPeters]

i dont like tight with medium gain i like tight with high gain.

Its a gnl/halo does hard rock and trash metal awesome but wont get tight enough even with a boost

It's language such as this that I'm trying to clarify, since it was posted on a public forum.

GNL isn't "medium gain". It's high gain. It also gets plenty tight. Both these things were proven by the sound clips I posted (in which the amp's gain isn't even set as high as it can go). If you don't like the way it's voiced, that's understandable. It's not intended to be my most modern-sounding design. Plasma Blade is. Please consider the language you use to describe the amps, such that it doesn't spread misinformation. Thank you.

 

[dxjxrose]

and again my opinion is this CANNOT do tight MODERN metal the 2 clips you posted are far from modern metal. its a great prog metal tone but not what i would describe as a tight modern metal tone at all...... these are my opinions on the amp and its tone. and for the umteenth time im not knocking the amp at all it just isnt for ME!

 

[JamesPeters]

You might not think it's important to be careful with your language, but this kind of thing can follow me for years. It's not even important for my sales in this case because I don't make the GNL anymore. But someone who might want a used GNL can read what you're saying, and as well others can start parroting it. It's happened before. I even discontinued a design (Hydra) because of misconceptions being spread about it (in that case, sort of the opposite of this, since people kept thinking the Hydra was the most tight/aggressive design I made, and it wasn't). So I ask that you please consider others before stating your opinion as though it's objective fact. You're now adding "it's my opinion" plus the word "modern" and trying to downplay it, but read those 2 sentences I quoted in the last post. You will see what I mean. If you had stated your opinion such as you did in your last post, I probably wouldn't have said anything, since you qualified it well. But your previous posts weren't stated as clearly. Thanks again.

 

[Detroit1973]

I mean i am always learning new things sure but my technique for what i do is pretty good. Ive had a pretty good music career i feel.... I could be wrong but i dont believe so...

Which Bands have to played/toured with?

 

[shredhead7]

Are you looking for an amp for live or home? I do have a lot of amps, mostly Marshall flavors, but I have an Engl SE, had the powerball, also have a Mesa rig and had the 5150 before all of this. I love modern metal too, but when I record I go direct and use sims. It's just easier and more true to what I'm hearing from the people that I like.

If you want something for live at home use, personally, I would go with a Fireball or Powerball if your budget allows. Tight but really thick, not quite Mesa swallow the sun thick, but they sound double tracked for lack of a better word.

I do believe that Jeff went direct with Conquering though, which is why I, and others, have made the caveat of a Kemper or AXE.

Lastly, if you want to see how pretty much any amp sounds playing modern metal, scroll through Ola's Youtube channel (he even has a video on how he makes everything sound the same). That will give you two things, one, it really is "in the mix" and what is possible with each amp.

 

[Salos]

Think it's also worth mentioning trying to get an amp in a room to sound like a recorded mixed/mastered tone is often going to be an uphill battle.

 

[godgrinder]

Think it's also worth mentioning trying to get an amp in a room to sound like a recorded mixed/mastered tone is often going to be an uphill battle.

And people forgetting that bass players exists...

 

[Salos]

Think it's also worth mentioning trying to get an amp in a room to sound like a recorded mixed/mastered tone is often going to be an uphill battle.

And people forgetting that bass players exists...

Yeah good point too. A guitar track in a mix usually sounds different than it does solo'd.

 

[dxjxrose]

Think it's also worth mentioning trying to get an amp in a room to sound like a recorded mixed/mastered tone is often going to be an uphill battle.

And people forgetting that bass players exists...

Not my intentions live i always ask the sound guy to cut my lows... On recordings i drop the lows 200hz a below...