4 x g12h30 vs 2 v30s & 2 greenbacks in x pattern, opinions?

[mooncobra]

anyone played these and your thoughts on them? I dig the g12h30s with just about everything I have played. I have a ss100 and love it, and have read that this amp loves v30s. most friedman cabs are the v30 and greenback x pattern, right?

right now my cab has 4 g12h30s and they sound great. I just saw a modern avatar 4 x 12 come up locally with the greenback v30 x pattern. anyone own or play with both?? thoughts?

I dig punchy, articulate and well defined tones.

 

[sg guy]

-by G12H30's, are you talking about the "ANNIE'S" ? if so I can see where they would be a good fit for any amp with a dark voicing or has smooth gain or any amp that you wanna add bite to, didn't like them at all with a Marshall-
-G12H 30-55hz-my favorite speaker, get one in 8ohms and it will dominate the mix-(and I mean that in the best possible way-(4x12-two 16 ohm Marshall V-30's on the bottom, one 8ohm, 55hz, greenback on the top along side one empty hole)-this was the best combo for my FRIEDMAN JJ-(yes, i did try it with two-75hz-16ohm greenback's on top aka Friedman, the V-30's over powered the 2-75hz-16ohm-greenbacks on top in a "B" cab, there are people getting better results with an "A" cab, or 3-greenbacks & one V-30,

 

[mooncobra]

-by G12H30's, are you talking about the "ANNIE'S" ? if so I can see where they would be a good fit for any amp with a dark voicing or has smooth gain or any amp that you wanna add bite to, didn't like them at all with a Marshall-
-G12H 30-55hz-my favorite speaker, get one in 8ohms and it will dominate the mix-(and I mean that in the best possible way-(4x12-two 16 ohm Marshall V-30's on the bottom, one 8ohm, 55hz, greenback on the top along side one empty hole)-this was the best combo for my FRIEDMAN JJ-(yes, i did try it with two-75hz-16ohm greenback's on top aka Friedman, the V-30's over powered the 2-75hz-16ohm-greenbacks on top in a "B" cab, there are people getting better results with an "A" cab, or 3-greenbacks & one V-30,

3 greenbacks and one vintage 30?? wow, never heard of that one, interesting.

 

[mooncobra]

-by G12H30's, are you talking about the "ANNIE'S" ? if so I can see where they would be a good fit for any amp with a dark voicing or has smooth gain or any amp that you wanna add bite to, didn't like them at all with a Marshall-
-G12H 30-55hz-my favorite speaker, get one in 8ohms and it will dominate the mix-(and I mean that in the best possible way-(4x12-two 16 ohm Marshall V-30's on the bottom, one 8ohm, 55hz, greenback on the top along side one empty hole)-this was the best combo for my FRIEDMAN JJ-(yes, i did try it with two-75hz-16ohm greenback's on top aka Friedman, the V-30's over powered the 2-75hz-16ohm-greenbacks on top in a "B" cab, there are people getting better results with an "A" cab, or 3-greenbacks & one V-30,

yes, the g12h30 70th anniv. models.

 

[fusedbrain]

anyone played these and your thoughts on them? I dig the g12h30s with just about everything I have played. I have a ss100 and love it, and have read that this amp loves v30s. most friedman cabs are the v30 and greenback x pattern, right?

right now my cab has 4 g12h30s and they sound great. I just saw a modern avatar 4 x 12 come up locally with the greenback v30 x pattern. anyone own or play with both?? thoughts?

I dig punchy, articulate and well defined tones.

The Friedman cabs have the 2 greenbacks on the top and the 2 V30's on the bottom. Not X pattern.
I have that setup in an EVH 4x12 and it sounds great.
That Avatar cab would be a great compliment to your cab with the 4x G12H30's, and should sound stellar with the SS100.
If you don't like it, I'm sure you could move it easily.

 

[CrazyNutz]

i did try it with two-75hz-16ohm greenback's on top aka Friedman, the V-30's over powered the 2-75hz-16ohm-greenbacks on top in a "B" cab, there are people getting better results with an "A" cab, or 3-greenbacks & one V-30,

That is really odd. I've used the the GB's on top, and V30's on bottom in four cabs so far (two straights, and two slants), I never felt like the v30's dominated.

 

[metalmaniac93]

i did try it with two-75hz-16ohm greenback's on top aka Friedman, the V-30's over powered the 2-75hz-16ohm-greenbacks on top in a "B" cab, there are people getting better results with an "A" cab, or 3-greenbacks & one V-30,

That is really odd. I've used the the GB's on top, and V30's on bottom in four cabs so far (two straights, and two slants), I never felt like the v30's dominated.

Same here in a Friedman cab. Great sounding combo as is the 70th Anny G12H30s and V30s in an X Pattern.

 

[Mr. Willy]

i did try it with two-75hz-16ohm greenback's on top aka Friedman, the V-30's over powered the 2-75hz-16ohm-greenbacks on top in a "B" cab, there are people getting better results with an "A" cab, or 3-greenbacks & one V-30,

That is really odd. I've used the the GB's on top, and V30's on bottom in four cabs so far (two straights, and two slants), I never felt like the v30's dominated.

Same here in a Friedman cab. Great sounding combo as is the 70th Anny G12H30s and V30s in an X Pattern.

This is such a weird thing. I've got 2 RI Greenbacks and 2 V30s (not X pattern) in my Bogner cab. I don't notice the V30s overpowering the Greenbacks at all. But, several years ago I ran an all V30 cab and an all Greenback cab (both 4x12s) with a Dual Recto, and the V30 cab buried the Greenback cab. Maybe when you have the 2 Greenbacks on top you don't notice the db difference as much because the Greenbacks are closer to your ears or something. Consequently, I dig the Greenback/V30 combo a la Friedman cabs a lot.

 

[CrazyNutz]

i did try it with two-75hz-16ohm greenback's on top aka Friedman, the V-30's over powered the 2-75hz-16ohm-greenbacks on top in a "B" cab, there are people getting better results with an "A" cab, or 3-greenbacks & one V-30,

That is really odd. I've used the the GB's on top, and V30's on bottom in four cabs so far (two straights, and two slants), I never felt like the v30's dominated.

Same here in a Friedman cab. Great sounding combo as is the 70th Anny G12H30s and V30s in an X Pattern.

This is such a weird thing. I've got 2 RI Greenbacks and 2 V30s (not X pattern) in my Bogner cab. I don't notice the V30s overpowering the Greenbacks at all. But, several years ago I ran an all V30 cab and an all Greenback cab (both 4x12s) with a Dual Recto, and the V30 cab buried the Greenback cab. Maybe when you have the 2 Greenbacks on top you don't notice the db difference as much because the Greenbacks are closer to your ears or something. Consequently, I dig the Greenback/V30 combo a la Friedman cabs a lot.

Were the two cabs the same (besides the speakers)?

In live situations, I've moved the mic from a bottom v30 to a top GB, and had no drop in perceived volume.

 

[Kidkramer71]

I have a marshall 1960a with 2 heritage and 2 v30's in an x pattern and a trace Elliot angled with to v30's on bottom and 2 greenbacks on top.
I prefer the sound of the v30 greenback combo ,
But the heritage v30 combo cuts better in a live mix.

 

[Mr. Willy]

i did try it with two-75hz-16ohm greenback's on top aka Friedman, the V-30's over powered the 2-75hz-16ohm-greenbacks on top in a "B" cab, there are people getting better results with an "A" cab, or 3-greenbacks & one V-30,

That is really odd. I've used the the GB's on top, and V30's on bottom in four cabs so far (two straights, and two slants), I never felt like the v30's dominated.

Same here in a Friedman cab. Great sounding combo as is the 70th Anny G12H30s and V30s in an X Pattern.

This is such a weird thing. I've got 2 RI Greenbacks and 2 V30s (not X pattern) in my Bogner cab. I don't notice the V30s overpowering the Greenbacks at all. But, several years ago I ran an all V30 cab and an all Greenback cab (both 4x12s) with a Dual Recto, and the V30 cab buried the Greenback cab. Maybe when you have the 2 Greenbacks on top you don't notice the db difference as much because the Greenbacks are closer to your ears or something. Consequently, I dig the Greenback/V30 combo a la Friedman cabs a lot.

Were the two cabs the same (besides the speakers)?

In live situations, I've moved the mic from a bottom v30 to a top GB, and had no drop in perceived volume.

Greenback cab was Bogner. V30 cab was a beat up Marshall basket weave.

 

[sg guy]

-yup- in this mix, I hear 60%, V-30's,... & 40% Greenback-

-V-30's-(with the same ohm rating)-are louder & more prominent, in this mix, with the non-proprietary V-30's, being even more prominent-(the Freq sheet's that Scott Splawn & other's did, it show's that every version of V-30, to be not only different-(I believe there were 5 versions when the frequency response & mapping was done)-but also, with a progressively harsher mid-spike.
-The beauty & secret sauce of the V-30 + GREENBACK mix, is there individual, but very complimentary voicing's, the V-30's firm & tight low end & extended highs is perfect for what a typical low wattage, 75hz, mid-heavy, mid voiced-GREENBACK-lacks,

-The dreaded V-30's MID-SPIKE, gets blended & diluted with the GREENBACK's strength, a mid/mid-high melting distortion that just gets meaner & nastier-(the good nasty,... like the preachers daughter)-the more you push, the more she wants & loves it,...And!! she not only tells you, she rewards you with a scream that defined Rock & Roll,

-so, what kind of tone do you want ?
-a V-30 tone, with the Grit & attitude of greenback?
-a GREENBACK tone, but with the muscular roar & BIG BALLS of a V-30?

 

[CrazyNutz]

Look's like I'm gonna have to get scientific, and break out the SPL meter.