4x12 recommendations for Bogner + Metal

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Posted this elsewhere so I'll just copy/paste.

Just got the Rev 2 and I am now shopping cabs. Looking for something clear that doesn't fart out but also something that sounds crushing. I suppose I prefer dark over bright but something in the middle maybe?

Post YouTube links if you have any. I can't seem to find many great Cab shootout videos but out of the ones I did find this Orange cab with V30 X Scumback H75 sounds amazing:

https://youtu.be/62RSmn2ICGs

I had a VHT Deliverance and I really liked it a lot but it was almost too tight and directional.

I played through an Uberkab but actually liked the VHT better if I recall.

I've played stock Orange 2x12 and it was way too bright and fizzy (although again the orange in that clip sounds great)

I've played Avatar and Peavey and with the right speakers they're ok but I'm looking for something amazing here to put an end to this search (at least for a while. I don't mind used and don't want to spend over $1,000. $600-$750 usd would be ideal BUT willing to pay more if it's worth it.

I've been thinking about Diezel and Engl or maybe something like a Port City or Emperor if I can find one at a fair price but idk how they sound.

I'm getting a lot of people recommending Mesa Stiletto Cab on ss.org
 
Uberschall and uberkab are Like peanut-butter and jelly.
There's always other options, and sometimes they may seem better at first, but you always come back to the 2 because they are just meant to be
 
Mesa Traditional (smaller) 4x12 with Mesa V30s. Or a Bogner 4x12. I don't like G12T-75s. But people seem to like the Uberkab. Otherwise, I'd just go with a standard Bogner 4x12 with V30s.
 
Love my front-loaded Uberkab with my Twin Jet... Massive Brutalness...
 
RedPlated":34zzs21x said:
Love my front-loaded Uberkab with my Twin Jet... Massive Brutalness...
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Have you ever compared this to the Rear Loaded? If so, what are the differences?

I had a FL VHT D412 and while it sounded really awesome it was almost too tight and was very directional.

As, I stated in the OP I liked the VHT better than the Uberkab. If I remember correctly it was because the Uber had a little top end fizz.

I'd still love an Uber but do not want to make the wrong move here. If the V30 Uber or FL Uber has less of that high end I may go that route. Is a very appealing cab.

Otherwise the Mesa Trad seems to be a good option with alot of recommendations. So many cabs to choose from and they all sound different.

I really love the sound of that Orange cab in the link I posted but I am guessing it is the Scumbacks because I played a stock Orange 2x12 and did not like it at all. Was very bright and way too fizzy for my taste.
 
Had a Bogner V30 cab and a Rivera KT412 at the same time. Rivera sounded just a bit better, both are great cabs. Got the Rivera used at a GC for 350. I believe they are both built at the same place in Cali, both have the batting on the inside back panel. Just another option for you.
 
Do you really even need a 4x12?

Think about it, if you're not playing massive arena shows, you don't need a 4x12. This "bigger is better" mentality for cabinets is a terrible misconception. How high do you even crank the volume output on your head?

A 2x12 will suffice for any shows that you'll be playing. Better yet, if you're the only guitarist in a band, do two 2x12s panned around on either side of the stage for stereo stage volume. It will be far easier to transport, so you won't be breaking your back. Also, using two 2x12 cabs gives you more ability and more options to mess with tone (since you can change up the speakers in either 2x12 on either side and have two cabs that sound different).
 
Rezamatix":v8rwcnj1 said:
Emperor Guillotine":v8rwcnj1 said:
Do you really even need a 4x12?

Think about it, if you're not playing massive arena shows, you don't need a 4x12. This "bigger is better" mentality for cabinets is a terrible misconception. How high do you even crank the volume output on your head?

A 2x12 will suffice for any shows that you'll be playing. Better yet, if you're the only guitarist in a band, do two 2x12s panned around on either side of the stage for stereo stage volume. It will be far easier to transport, so you won't be breaking your back. Also, using two 2x12 cabs gives you more ability and more options to mess with tone (since you can change up the speakers in either 2x12 on either side and have two cabs that sound different).
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NO NO NO. DO NOT TAKE THIS ADVICE>!

Play a 4x12. its easier to move than two 2x12's. Its not shooting volume at your ears. They don't have the low end of 4x12's, why play a FUCKING UBERSCHALL and take away all that thump??

Get some beam blockers and put them in a 4x12. it will be awesome.
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Exactly!!!
 
Metal1977":1ar1pxbs said:
Rezamatix":1ar1pxbs said:
Emperor Guillotine":1ar1pxbs said:
Do you really even need a 4x12?

Think about it, if you're not playing massive arena shows, you don't need a 4x12. This "bigger is better" mentality for cabinets is a terrible misconception. How high do you even crank the volume output on your head?

A 2x12 will suffice for any shows that you'll be playing. Better yet, if you're the only guitarist in a band, do two 2x12s panned around on either side of the stage for stereo stage volume. It will be far easier to transport, so you won't be breaking your back. Also, using two 2x12 cabs gives you more ability and more options to mess with tone (since you can change up the speakers in either 2x12 on either side and have two cabs that sound different).
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NO NO NO. DO NOT TAKE THIS ADVICE>!

Play a 4x12. its easier to move than two 2x12's. Its not shooting volume at your ears. They don't have the low end of 4x12's, why play a FUCKING UBERSCHALL and take away all that thump??

Get some beam blockers and put them in a 4x12. it will be awesome.
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Exactly!!!
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Agreed. I don't care about "you only mic one speaker" or "you only play shows at a low volume anyway" mentality. A 4X12 is a much more 'full' sound at low volume than most 2x12s, and really a good 2X12 is almost as heavy as a 4X12 anyway. Any bar gig I play nowadays is NOT at a low volume, I have a loud drummer. 2X12s are almost as expensive as 4X12s...there's really no justification to NOT get a 4X12 IMO. If you get a stereo cab you have the option of running only one side of the 4X12 if you want.

And, if you ever do play an arena, better bring 4 4X12s and a nice power amp to re amp that signal. Gonna need some serious speaker mass! :rock:
 
I've never heard of a beam blocker. They seem cool from what I'm reading, which VHT cab has this? I had a D412 and it sounded great but it was just too tight and too directional.

My imagination tells me a Rear Loaded D412 with a small port would be a dream but who knows if that would work the way I'm thinking.

I didn't have any problems at all with any highs with the D cab and if I remember correctly it was the Uberkab that had the fizzy highs I didn't like.

Maybe an Uberkab with beam blockers would be ideal? With the little knowledge I have on this topic that makes sense.
 
I'd go down the list and find what I could in my price range

Mill Acoustic Afterburner (2 or 4x12.. They're just that damn good)
Bogner rear loaded 4x12
Diamond 4x12 (side by side with a Afterburner, I personally prefer these)
Emperor 4x12
Vader 4x12
Mesa traditional (steer clear of the oversized cabs, they "honk" with the uber)
Orange HP 4x12
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i used to have a twin jet. bought a new uberkab just for that amp. it sounded good. i sold the TJ though, could never really bond with it. still have the front loaded uberkab, but i swapped the T75s with some V30s i had so now its all V30s. Sounds killer, VERY punchy. i use it with my BE/JJ/eVh stealth and my bogner stuff sounds great through it as well. still waiting on my Rev Blue Uber to come back from Trace at voodoo to see what that sounds like. can't wait. :rawk:
 
hatrick00":1cyz8r0k said:
i used to have a twin jet. bought a new uberkab just for that amp. it sounded good. i sold the TJ though, could never really bond with it. still have the front loaded uberkab, but i swapped the T75s with some V30s i had so now its all V30s. Sounds killer, VERY punchy. i use it with my BE/JJ/eVh stealth and my bogner stuff sounds great through it as well. still waiting on my Rev Blue Uber to come back from Trace at voodoo to see what that sounds like. can't wait. :rawk:
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That's a pretty serious set up.

With that JJ though, what else do you need? :rock:
 
prsplayer86":2mbxbstc said:
I'd go down the list and find what I could in my price range

Mill Acoustic Afterburner (2 or 4x12.. They're just that damn good)
Bogner rear loaded 4x12
Diamond 4x12 (side by side with a Afterburner, I personally prefer these)
Emperor 4x12
Vader 4x12
Mesa traditional (steer clear of the oversized cabs, they "honk" with the uber)
Orange HP 4x12
V
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Yeah it's a hard decision. I've been looking at a couple Bogners and also a Vader but I see lots of mixed feedback about the Vaders.

Really want to try a Mesa Trad though too.
 
Rezamatix":kzpfdg6k said:
Emperor Guillotine":kzpfdg6k said:
Do you really even need a 4x12?

Think about it, if you're not playing massive arena shows, you don't need a 4x12. This "bigger is better" mentality for cabinets is a terrible misconception. How high do you even crank the volume output on your head?

A 2x12 will suffice for any shows that you'll be playing. Better yet, if you're the only guitarist in a band, do two 2x12s panned around on either side of the stage for stereo stage volume. It will be far easier to transport, so you won't be breaking your back. Also, using two 2x12 cabs gives you more ability and more options to mess with tone (since you can change up the speakers in either 2x12 on either side and have two cabs that sound different).
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NO NO NO. DO NOT TAKE THIS ADVICE>!

Play a 4x12. its easier to move than two 2x12's. Its not shooting volume at your ears. They don't have the low end of 4x12's, why play a FUCKING UBERSCHALL and take away all that thump??

Get some beam blockers and put them in a 4x12. it will be awesome.
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Clearly you have never played any high-end boutique custom 2x12 cabs like Port City, HESU, Zilla, etc. They have FAR more low-end thump and dimension than a lesser production 4x12 from some of the common companies that you would see at a music instrument shop like your local Guitar Center. I had a custom Port City OS vertical 2x12 that blew away the best Mesa OS Recto 4x12 in terms of low-end thump and dimension to the sound after A/B-ing the cabs. Plus, being vertical, it wasn't shooting the sound at your ankles. And "shooting volume at your ears" is a terrible statement. Clearly you have never played a 2x12 because they shoot the volume at your ankles unless they are elevated or unless they are vertical. Either way, you want the sound in your ears so that you can hear yourself on stage.

The only reason you would disagree with my proposed technique of using two 2x12 cabs panned around stage for a true stereo sound in order to sound bigger and better than a 4x12 is because:
1.) you've never seen it or tried it yourself
2.) you're an old-fashioned player stuck in his ways

maddnotez":kzpfdg6k said:
Yeah it's a hard decision. I've been looking at a couple Bogners and also a Vader but I see lots of mixed feedback about the Vaders.
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Vaders are killer cabs. Majority of negative feedback comes from those who actually haven't played one.
 
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