A/B-Y Diezel VH4 with Herbert

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jonl":3mkvzu8l said:
Heritage Softail":3mkvzu8l said:
jonl":3mkvzu8l said:
MOOSEHEADS":3mkvzu8l said:
Radial engineering JX-2 works good for me. Has ground lift and polarity switch. It also has a boost if needed.

I was considering the twin city bones that Radial makes, its about $100 cheaper than the JX-2.
It also has a ground lift.
Does it switch the polarity when you change channels so you keep it correct thru the night?

I am not sure, thats a good question :rock:

I set it up with the two heads I want to run at the same time. Say a Marshall and a VH4. If they are canceling out, or out of phase I flip the switch to get them back in sync. Now if you want to run two heads but only one at a time switching between the two a phase issue does not come into effect. At least not in my lowsome rig.

When you stack two spliters it works the same way. I just get the first two heads in phase then set the third to match.

Just for the record.......two Diezels are better than one.......three Diezels will get you in some HEAVEN and HELLlacous trouble. :rawk:
It just doesn't matter if it is a VH4 a Herbert or a Hagen its all good. :thumbsup:
 
The S-Go-S has phase canceallation/inversion. Made in Germany. Solid housing. Attenuator.

C'mon, if yer gonna go full bore with the 2 Diezels, don't chintz out on the splitter.
 
Ventura":3t4zb8jw said:
The S-Go-S has phase canceallation/inversion. Made in Germany. Solid housing. Attenuator.

C'mon, if yer gonna go full bore with the 2 Diezels, don't chintz out on the splitter.


When I'm at home and just messing around I just use a 1/4" splitter lol. As long as the heads are running to two different cabs I don't get any hum. It's just something I do to mess around with


-Alex
 
Ventura":1nyvmmoc said:
The S-Go-S has phase canceallation/inversion. Made in Germany. Solid housing. Attenuator.

C'mon, if yer gonna go full bore with the 2 Diezels, don't chintz out on the splitter.

Whats the benefit of the S-Go-S over the radial twin city ABY?
 
jonl":ii6cca6m said:
Ventura":ii6cca6m said:
The S-Go-S has phase canceallation/inversion. Made in Germany. Solid housing. Attenuator.

C'mon, if yer gonna go full bore with the 2 Diezels, don't chintz out on the splitter.

Whats the benefit of the S-Go-S over the radial twin city ABY?
Check the component spec on the Lehle. Top drawer. Radial makes decent stuff, no BS. But not compared to Lehle.

bananaladonpcp":ii6cca6m said:
Ventura":ii6cca6m said:
The S-Go-S has phase canceallation/inversion. Made in Germany. Solid housing. Attenuator.

C'mon, if yer gonna go full bore with the 2 Diezels, don't chintz out on the splitter.


When I'm at home and just messing around I just use a 1/4" splitter lol. As long as the heads are running to two different cabs I don't get any hum. It's just something I do to mess around with


-Alex
Frickin REBEL m'man!!! (said in Dr. Evil speak) :lol: :LOL:
 
Ventura":24052cg5 said:
jonl":24052cg5 said:
Ventura":24052cg5 said:
The S-Go-S has phase canceallation/inversion. Made in Germany. Solid housing. Attenuator.

C'mon, if yer gonna go full bore with the 2 Diezels, don't chintz out on the splitter.

Whats the benefit of the S-Go-S over the radial twin city ABY?
Check the component spec on the Lehle. Top drawer. Radial makes decent stuff, no BS. But not compared to Lehle.

Will I here a difference running both together between the 2?
 
jonl":341gffwn said:
Ventura":341gffwn said:
jonl":341gffwn said:
Ventura":341gffwn said:
The S-Go-S has phase canceallation/inversion. Made in Germany. Solid housing. Attenuator.

C'mon, if yer gonna go full bore with the 2 Diezels, don't chintz out on the splitter.

Whats the benefit of the S-Go-S over the radial twin city ABY?
Check the component spec on the Lehle. Top drawer. Radial makes decent stuff, no BS. But not compared to Lehle.

Will I here a difference running both together between the 2?
Hard to say. I don't know your ears. I do know if a lifetime warranty, quietest spec, most reliable, bells and whistles to include all phasing/noise/inverting capacities, built in attenuation, is you're cup of beans..?? It's a one shot buy. Good for life, IMHO. But hey, YMMV.
 
I trust your judgement, I just don't know if my wallet does.
I am all for German engineering since I heard my first Diezel and serviced my first German boiler.
It may just be to rich for my blood, but if the radial bones twin city isn't the best choice maybe I should wait until I have the cash for the German beast you speak of.
 
Is the Little Dual by Lehle just as good?
Will it do the trick I am looking for?
 
Ventura":27u0pugz said:
S-Go-S is superior to the Lil' Lehle...

Looks like I am stuck with running one at a time for a few weeks then.
Those bitches are almost $400 :cry:
 
Hey jonl,

I have used the Lehle Dual mainly in studio and it is a great unit. Lehle make some of the best switchers out there. Very reliable, well-built, easy to set, program, operate and control. However, if you plan using it live to split the signal in front of a Herbert and another amp running at the same time, and if you will be going through the amps channels in the same song, you may get phase cancelations when switching to channel 2 of the Herbert. Yes, the Lehle has phase inversion button but you need to switch it manually which obviously would not be very convenient on stage. I have asked Lehle if they can mod the Dual so it inverts the phase from distance via MIDI but they replied it wouldn't be an easy job plus a change in the design would be needed etc. which they are not keen to do and it's understandable. Another thing worth considering is that I noticed the Dual changes the sound, just slightly, but you can hear it. The sound is not as focused as it is without it in the signal chain. I have spent some time listening to make sure I wasn't making it up in my head. Therefore I ordered the RJM's Y-Not with the YB- (as in "negative") mod after some research. The difference between the two is that while the Lehle is a splitter and a foot controller in one unit, the Y-Not needs a separate foot controller to send commands to it. It is an additional cost if you already don't have one (and of course if you would be using live or when playing in a band and need changing things on the fly), however, the Y-Not doesn't change the sound, is as reliable and easy to operate as is the Lehle but with the advantage that now you can invert the phase at output B via MIDI and save it for future use. So, say you would be using channel 2 on the Herbert in combination with another amp you would no longer need to bend and manually switch it as it's with the Lehle. The Y-Not is absolutely great piece ot equipment and I have had no problems whatsoever for the past couple of years since I have it. I have been using it both live and in the studio. No problems at all. And as I said the sound is preserved as if you have been plugged straight into the amps.

Please, don't get me wrong. The Dual is far from being a bad choice, just the opposite, however, I wanted to let you know that it may not be the perfect choice if you decide to run a more complex rig when playing live or rehearsing with a band.

Hope this helps.
 
cheftie":2i32rkr1 said:
Hey jonl,

I have used the Lehle Dual mainly in studio and it is a great unit. Lehle make some of the best switchers out there. Very reliable, well-built, easy to set, program, operate and control. However, if you plan using it live to split the signal in front of a Herbert and another amp running at the same time, and if you will be going through the amps channels in the same song, you may get phase cancelations when switching to channel 2 of the Herbert. Yes, the Lehle has phase inversion button but you need to switch it manually which obviously would not be very convenient on stage. I have asked Lehle if they can mod the Dual so it inverts the phase from distance via MIDI but they replied it wouldn't be an easy job plus a change in the design would be needed etc. which they are not keen to do and it's understandable. Another thing worth considering is that I noticed the Dual changes the sound, just slightly, but you can hear it. The sound is not as focused as it is without it in the signal chain. I have spent some time listening to make sure I wasn't making it up in my head. Therefore I ordered the RJM's Y-Not with the YB- (as in "negative") mod after some research. The difference between the two is that while the Lehle is a splitter and a foot controller in one unit, the Y-Not needs a separate foot controller to send commands to it. It is an additional cost if you already don't have one (and of course if you would be using live or when playing in a band and need changing things on the fly), however, the Y-Not doesn't change the sound, is as reliable and easy to operate as is the Lehle but with the advantage that now you can invert the phase at output B via MIDI and save it for future use. So, say you would be using channel 2 on the Herbert in combination with another amp you would no longer need to bend and manually switch it as it's with the Lehle. The Y-Not is absolutely great piece ot equipment and I have had no problems whatsoever for the past couple of years since I have it. I have been using it both live and in the studio. No problems at all. And as I said the sound is preserved as if you have been plugged straight into the amps.

Please, don't get me wrong. The Dual is far from being a bad choice, just the opposite, however, I wanted to let you know that it may not be the perfect choice if you decide to run a more complex rig when playing live or rehearsing with a band.

Hope this helps.


I run the herbert on channel 2+ and the VH4 on channel 3. I never switch channels, to get cleans I just role back the volume on my guitar or the volume pedal on my pedal board.
Will this phasing issue you speak of only happen when changing channels?
 
It happens when the Herbert is on channel 2+ plus another amp (in my case a Fryette Pittbull Ultralead) running at the same time. Whatever channel I dial on the Ultralead and combine it with channel 2+ on the Herbert I need to invert the phase on the output signal going to the Herbert so the amps are back in phase. If I use channel 3 on the Herbert everything is fine. It's only with channel 2+. That all of course depends on the design of the second amp and since I have not played a VH4 I could not say if you'd be getting phase cancelations with the combination you are running. Best would be if you can borrow the Dual and the Y-Not w/ the YB- mod to test and see which works better for you. If you have not run the amps in stereo so far you may have not noticed it because it does not occur when each amp sounds on its own. However, when in stereo and you are losing low end you need to check the phase. You will be hearing the sound from the amps coming separately to you from each side when they are out of phase as opposed to being somewhat centered and mixed together.
 
+1 on the Lehle. Perfect little pedal. Radial stuff works great as well.

I tried both the Radial and the Lehle. Prefer the Lehle, as I like things clean and simple.. The less knobs, switches and tweaky stuff, the better. :)
 
I went with the Radial Twin City, I got it for a good price!
It does what I need and with the drag control I have no tone loss.
As for the polarity talk on the Herbert, the polarity switch needs to be toggled back and forth between channel 2+ and 3 on the Herbert.
I don't have to worry about that as I never use channel 3.
 
PaulyPanacea":8a7buenu said:
Lehle is the way to go!!!
PAULY!!!!! Miss ya man, you're not ho'ing out on some other forum are ya?!?!!? :gethim:

Uncle Mo
 
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