a big question. Loop/-10&+4dB Levels/Boosts

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Hey all, kind of a long post here, so if you want to skip the TL;DR i've underlined the cliffs notes for you lol.

In planning out the next addition to my pedalboard, I know a 'necessity' is a boost pedal. I'm trying to decide between a Vexter SHO and an Empress ParaEQ. I like the straight up simplicity and volume you get out of the SHO, but just the same I like the insane flexibility and ability to really sculpt tone with the ParaEQ. They're both great great products - that aside, where they both will really serve me best is in my amp's FX loop(s) - there's both a Serial and a Parallel loop at my disposal on my Einstein.

I was running both my Timefactor (I/Os @ Line) and Carbon Copy in my Serial loop for a while. Even though the Carbon Copy is strictly an instrument level device, the delays/echoes sounded great enough at the time. But there was one glaring problem - on one patch that i use a lot on my Timefactor, there was this weird 'clipping' that would happen during high-intensity passages. It was almost a popping, followed by a limiting effect on the delay repeats from the 'factor. If it werent for this, I'd probably still have the CC still in the Serial Loop. Just recently, i put the CC out front and now with the Timefactor being the only effect in the loop, it's like I'm rediscovering it; the depth and fidelity of the effect is so much better now that the I/Os are 100% leveled properly for the Serial Loop. Prior to fixing my signal chain, the Timefactor was essentially choked out/neutered! Reverse and TapeEcho models was comparably useless - their repeats were very muted, the Ducking model wasn't working correctly, there were some patches that were much louder than the others... it is crazy how the mismatched levels totally robbed the unit of functionality!

I'm afraid that introducing either the SHO or the ParaEQ the way I need will only reiterate the mismatch issue. Is there something I'm overlooking that will enable me to use either one in my Serial Loop - i can see the ParaEQ possibly having a level switch just like the Eventide units, or are they straight-up 'instrument level only' effects? Will the sheer volume available thru either allow me to dial through the -10dB/+4dB difference? If i understand this correctly, is the only way to get the output on guitar fx up to snuff a DI, or else i'll suffer the decreased fidelity/tone?

Honestly, because I only need a volume boost, I'm leaning towards getting the Vexter SHO @ $160ish. this is all hypothetically speaking.

THANKS DUDES
 
I´m not a specialist when it comes to effect units
but the levels SHOULD HAVE nothing to do with
the quality of the effects.
 
Hey Mr Nixon.

If all you require is a volume boost surely Master 2 on the Einstein will give you that?

I recently went through my unused pedals and experimented with a Vexter Box of Rock. Not in either loop, to my ears boosters and drive pedals should always go through the input of the amp. BOR has a clean boost on it which is very similar to SHO. To be honest, whilst it did add some grit, it didn't improve the tone to the point where its on my pedal board.

In fact, since getting Einstein, I can't say I have used a single drive or boost effect. Its made them all redundant.

Tone from Einstein is that good that at a recent charity multi-band event, the drummer of the headline act even made a point of telling me how great he thought my tone was!! :lol: :LOL:

Now what does that tell you?? :rock:
 
Peter Diezel":216lanfj said:
I´m not a specialist when it comes to effect units
but the levels SHOULD HAVE nothing to do with
the quality of the effects.


well when the levels aren't matched between line and instrument, the effect isnt getting the right signal going in or out. keep in mind, the effects were still great, its just that the sound quality was suffering from the mismatching. believe me, go and try it. my timefactor now sounds 100% virginal thanks to the levels being properly matched for your excellent fx loop! :thumbsup:
 
MrNixon":1h95kifh said:
Peter Diezel":1h95kifh said:
I´m not a specialist when it comes to effect units
but the levels SHOULD HAVE nothing to do with
the quality of the effects.


well when the levels aren't matched between line and instrument, the effect isnt getting the right signal going in or out. keep in mind, the effects were still great, its just that the sound quality was suffering from the mismatching. believe me, go and try it. my timefactor now sounds 100% virginal thanks to the levels being properly matched for your excellent fx loop! :thumbsup:
The TF is the only effect that is of great enough quality to plunk in a the 'ultimate of loops'... That being, the Diezel loop :D

Glad you got it sorted :thumbsup:
 
its sorted now, only because the Timefactor is the only effect in the loop, i have the rest of my pedals out front (including a Pitchfator :rock: ). The dilemma i face is what happens when I get my Boost pedal (most likely going to be the Empress ParaEQ). The unit is instrument level only, and the Eventide units are smart enough to have switchable output levels (Between inst. and line) so should i offset the Timefactor's I/Os? i'm probably going to put the Empress post Timefactor, so i would have the Input set to Line, the Output set to Instrument? Or should i set both the Timefactor's I/Os to Instrument?

With the Timefactor alone in the Serial Loop & playing around with the switchable outs right now, I notice that on a subtle setting like TapeEcho, having the I/Os set to Line, more nuances on the repeats are more audible. Set to Instrument, I lose a little bit. Listening close on one patch i made, two TapeEcho repeats far in the back that i could hear with the I/Os@Line get lost when its set to straight up instrument!

can someone with a Timefactor and any random stompbox (if you have a Carbon Copy or something) please fiddle around with it in the Serial Loop and report back please? let me know if you find the same results?

recap: prior to Timefactor solo in the Serial Loop i had this going on:

Serial Send > Carbon Copy > Input @ Instrument on Timefactor > Output @ Line to Serial Return on Einstein

Yielded various flaws, leading me to solo the Timefactor. Now with I/Os both at Line, get a little more fidelity.

if noone will volunteer a little of their time and let me know, then the case is closed and put in the Cold Cases file, and I'll just have to post an update when i get the ParaEQ.... .... after that, the only question is.... Powdercoat Blue or... UNFINISHED?!?!?!?!?!??!
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any particular reason why you'd suggest that over the Empress?
 
racerevlon":2h2ldjuv said:
Get an Ebtech Line Level Shifter.

Doesn't work... Robbed the life out of my Mesa.

I would like to try a ceriatone kleinulator...
 
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