Alcohol deaths up 70%

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I more or less agree but I don't think it's stupidity (Or "Addiction"), I think it's a combination of personality, lack of opportunity or desirable choices, life experiences and so on. My younger sister died from a fentanyl OD and in many ways she never had an easy time with things.
It's addiction man. When you can't function without a bottle, when you could actually die from not drinking, that's not personality type or lack of opportunities. It's called being an alcoholic, or junkie.
 
It's addiction man. When you can't function without a bottle, when you could actually die from not drinking, that's not personality type or lack of opportunities. It's called being an alcoholic, or junkie.
I'm not saying that people can't become physically or psychologically dependent on a substance, have a dysfunctional life and so on. I am saying that I don't believe that some people have a "disease" or condition that makes them incapable of not using or using in moderation. I'm saying that there are other reasons that lead people to have a pathological relationship with drugs, and it's not the drugs themselves. I will say though that fentanyl is incredibly dangerous, and is more likely to kill than most other drugs. But what makes a person decide to risk it? It's the person that doesn't really care if they die or their life is so miserable anyways that it's worth the risk.
 
Neither did my brother. Or my niece for that matter. Still, you either adapt and overcome or fall. Survival of the fittest and all that.
I'm guessing you didn't have an easy time either, and you pulled through, made good decisions and built a life. And that's commendable. But I still think that if you were given the same mix of life and personality, you'd have succumbed in the same way. And that goes for anyone. So people shouldn't judge.
 
It does become a disease. My best friend drunk a 5th of Bacardi gold every day and a half gallon on his days off. Did it for years. He’s good now and dry. The day he went into detox he blew a .27 or something crazy. And he was acting perfectly sober. Crazy. They had to put him in a coma to dry him out.
 
I'm guessing you didn't have an easy time either, and you pulled through, made good decisions and built a life. And that's commendable. But I still think that if you were given the same mix of life and personality, you'd have succumbed in the same way. And that goes for anyone. So people shouldn't judge.
Dude, I am not going to go into detail, but I will relay one little bit. When my first wife left me it fucked me up. I smacked out for about 6 months. Straight didn't give a fuck anymore. There are very few drugs, hard or soft, I haven't done. And the working title of my last band while we were in the rehearsal stage was 30 pack. That's what we drank every rehearsal. We were a 3 piece. So yeah, I have had shit thrown at me like everyone else. If I would have killed myself with smack it would have been my own fault. I'm not claiming to be superior to anyone, I'm just saying everyone is responsible for their own bullshit. And as long as none of it affects me directly I couldn't give a shit less ( better @Thumbpicker ? )
 
It is not.
At least you are honest. Probably need to lack sympathy to deal with the loss of your bro. I can't imagine losing my brother I would be praying for his soul every night. I actually have prayed for your workers that were shot on that job site. I forget the details you mentioned and I don't know their names but I like to remember the dead in my prayers so they came up on my list.
 
At least you are honest. Probably need to lack sympathy to deal with the loss of your bro. I can't imagine losing my brother I would be praying for his soul every night. I actually have prayed for your workers that were shot on that job site. I forget the details you mentioned and I don't know their names but I like to remember the dead in my prayers so they came up on my list.
Appreciated brother, but I can't pretend that I think it does anything. I'm happy that you have something that fills you with hope, makes you happy and all that. I mean that sincerely. But I won't pretend that I think it's grounded in reality brother.
 
Appreciated brother, but I can't pretend that I think it does anything. I'm happy that you have something that fills you with hope, makes you happy and all that. I mean that sincerely. But I won't pretend that I think it's grounded in reality brother.
You can neither prove nor disprove it does anything. It's something taken on faith. And truthfully, praying for others does more than not praying for others regardless of how you weigh it, because at least you are doing something for them. Not everyone has the bucks to lift someone out of the mud or fix society but prayers are something anyone can fall back on. A way forward when there is no other way.

I was talking to another forum member a while back about prayer. He said "I tried that and it didn't do anything for me". I have heard this many times. I'm not sure what people expect in prayer. It's often work when you just don't feel like working. It's a rule. The pearly gates aren't going to swing wide just cause someone folds their hands and bows their head. If it's for self gain, for self improvement, then it is for nothing because it is something ego driven and pride filled. If they were to have received that heavenly visitation it could cause that amateur to become spiritual prideful so divine visions are not the norm, even for the most dedicated and prayerful saint.
 
You can neither prove nor disprove it does anything. It's something taken on faith. And truthfully, praying for others does more than not praying for others regardless of how you weigh it, because at least you are doing something for them. Not everyone has the bucks to lift someone out of the mud or fix society but prayers are something anyone can fall back on. A way forward when there is no other way.

I was talking to another forum member a while back about prayer. He said "I tried that and it didn't do anything for me". I have heard this many times. I'm not sure what people expect in prayer. It's often work when you just don't feel like working. It's a rule. The pearly gates aren't going to swing wide just cause someone folds their hands and bows their head. If it's for self gain, for self improvement, then it is for nothing because it is something ego driven and pride filled. If they were to have received that heavenly visitation it could cause that amateur to become spiritual prideful so divine visions are not the norm, even for the most dedicated and prayerful saint.
I know how prayer works. Or is supposed to. I was raised Lutheran and forced to go to a Lutheran school until 8th grade.
 
Dude, I am not going to go into detail, but I will relay one little bit. When my first wife left me it fucked me up. I smacked out for about 6 months. Straight didn't give a fuck anymore. There are very few drugs, hard or soft, I haven't done. And the working title of my last band while we were in the rehearsal stage was 30 pack. That's what we drank every rehearsal. We were a 3 piece. So yeah, I have had shit thrown at me like everyone else. If I would have killed myself with smack it would have been my own fault. I'm not claiming to be superior to anyone, I'm just saying everyone is responsible for their own bullshit. And as long as none of it affects me directly I couldn't give a shit less ( better @Thumbpicker ? )
Yes but you don't need to say "less" at the end lol

Actually you are confusing "Couldn't give a shit"... and "couldn't care less" ?
 
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It does become a disease. My best friend drunk a 5th of Bacardi gold every day and a half gallon on his days off. Did it for years. He’s good now and dry. The day he went into detox he blew a .27 or something crazy. And he was acting perfectly sober. Crazy. They had to put him in a coma to dry him out.
In 1982 i got out of the Military. I couldn't think right, act right, sleep right. All i knew how to do was drink.
My roomate & i were both in seprate bands. Both guitar players.
We ran around everyday loaded with a pint of 151 Bacardi in our back pockets. Even at work.
By 1996 i was drinking a handle of rum a night, had as much booze / pot / coke / pills as i wanted.
If i went to a bar id drink 2 beers and 2 shots for the first hour then go to singles to "feel right".
Had 2 monthly checks and a weekly check while holding a job and i was dying.
I could not function as a healthy human.
I quit in 2001 [not willingly].
I decided to try living for a change but it didn't happen overnite.
I like who i am today.
Sobriety date : 7 / 7 /2001.
The booze & dope is free now and keeps getting stronger.
Not missing it. That roomate is dead. Its weird looking up your friends from the 80's and most are gone.

 
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Nope. Just see no value in spending my time, energy or money to keep people alive who are too stupid or lazy to do it for themselves.
^^^^
He's right you know.
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People just can't accept they are going to die of something or other. They live in a delusion they are going to live forever. Sure you can avoid some causes of death but I'm 100% sure another one will pop up and get you.
 

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