Amp and sustain

[EnGl]

Thank you guys , you are awesome .

As i mentioned before - I've got a HT5h and I'm unsatisfied with sustain , "on dry" my guitar sustains loooonger.
So I'm little confused about that ...
So "high end" amp have more sustain ?
Or in other way - Which amps have long sustain ? Marshall JCM 800 2203 or ENGL Fireball ( both new) will be ok ?

Those are cool amps for what they are, but may not have enough power to get a feedback loop going.

2203 has 100 watts right? what more do ya need!


i dispute the snobbery about lower priced guitars.

eddie, slash, page....put a shit guitar into their hands, they're going to get you something, and, 10 to getcha 1, it'll sound JUST like them.

1. its in your head.
2. its in your heart.
3. its in your mind.
4. its in your hands/body.

get all them to come together with some power, new strings, a decent pickup, and you'll be good to go.

prime recent example.....in all of Ola's vids, he sounds like himself....with ALL the different gear.

some people just have it, and some people just HAVE to overthink it. go play.

+1. Thanks man , you raise my spirit.

 

[guitarmike]

2203 has 100 watts right? what more do ya need!


i dispute the snobbery about lower priced guitars.

eddie, slash, page....put a shit guitar into their hands, they're going to get you something, and, 10 to getcha 1, it'll sound JUST like them.

1. its in your head.
2. its in your heart.
3. its in your mind.
4. its in your hands/body.

get all them to come together with some power, new strings, a decent pickup, and you'll be good to go.

prime recent example.....in all of Ola's vids, he sounds like himself....with ALL the different gear.

some people just have it, and some people just HAVE to overthink it. go play.

I agree with you that some people just have it, slash, eddie, page are prime examples. There are 2 groups of people that "have it," the ones gifted from God that can play with toothpicks and string and make music and there are those of use the put years of practice in to get "it" somewhat. Most of us are in the practice group and better equipment definitely makes a huge difference in how we play. I have been playing for 30+ years, most people that know me can hear if its me playing without seeing me, I have a style/sound of some sorts. Years of refining my equipment have helped develop that sound. Because I know how to set gear up to sound the way I like it, it will sound like me playing through most any amp/guitar combination.

Steering away from junky gear has kept me motivated and helped get what is in my head to my hands (good or bad). I could have done that with a $25 guitar but it is a lot easier with good gear.

 

[chunktone]

Thank you guys , you are awesome .

As i mentioned before - I've got a HT5h and I'm unsatisfied with sustain , "on dry" my guitar sustains loooonger.
So I'm little confused about that ...
So "high end" amp have more sustain ?
Or in other way - Which amps have long sustain ? Marshall JCM 800 2203 or ENGL Fireball ( both new) will be ok ?

Those are cool amps for what they are, but may not have enough power to get a feedback loop going.

2203 has 100 watts right? what more do ya need!


i dispute the snobbery about lower priced guitars.

eddie, slash, page....put a shit guitar into their hands, they're going to get you something, and, 10 to getcha 1, it'll sound JUST like them.

1. its in your head.
2. its in your heart.
3. its in your mind.
4. its in your hands/body.

get all them to come together with some power, new strings, a decent pickup, and you'll be good to go.

prime recent example.....in all of Ola's vids, he sounds like himself....with ALL the different gear.

some people just have it, and some people just HAVE to overthink it. go play.

I was refering to his mentioning the amp he actually has, a Blackstar HT5. This is a 5 watt amp, and I do think it may not have enough power to get the result he seems to be looking for.

 

[Anonymous]

Thank you guys , you are awesome .

As i mentioned before - I've got a HT5h and I'm unsatisfied with sustain , "on dry" my guitar sustains loooonger.
So I'm little confused about that ...
So "high end" amp have more sustain ?
Or in other way - Which amps have long sustain ? Marshall JCM 800 2203 or ENGL Fireball ( both new) will be ok ?

Those are cool amps for what they are, but may not have enough power to get a feedback loop going.

2203 has 100 watts right? what more do ya need!


i dispute the snobbery about lower priced guitars.

eddie, slash, page....put a shit guitar into their hands, they're going to get you something, and, 10 to getcha 1, it'll sound JUST like them.

1. its in your head.
2. its in your heart.
3. its in your mind.
4. its in your hands/body.

get all them to come together with some power, new strings, a decent pickup, and you'll be good to go.

prime recent example.....in all of Ola's vids, he sounds like himself....with ALL the different gear.

some people just have it, and some people just HAVE to overthink it. go play.

I was refering to his mentioning the amp he actually has, a Blackstar HT5. This is a 5 watt amp, and I do think it may not have enough power to get the result he seems to be looking for.

ah!
i thought you were referring to amps he mentioned. yeah, i dont see the ht5 getting him where he sounds like he wants to be.

part of "sustain" to my ears, is just plain, pure, amp power and moving air. he could probably get some non amp sustain with a ts9 low gain, level up, tone to taste though...

 

[Qweklain]

Generally speaking, neck-through will have better sustain than bolt-on or set-neck.

I'm sorry, but it has been proven ages ago that this is pure BS.

Not really, consider a bolt-on. A crappy made bolt-on is going to lose a lot of vibration transfer at the neck-joint which means less sustain. If you read all of my post you would have seen the #1 concern is build craftsmanship and the quality of components.

A well built bolt-on versus a well built neck-through in the sustain department will be negligible, but a crappy built bolt vs neck-through, I would put money that the neck-through will sustain more, regardless of how much, assuming the wood and component qualities are roughly the same in both.

 

[Anonymous]

judging by those gibson neck pics, i'd say any bolt on will sustain just about as good as any of those kind of shit ass glue jointed misfucks.

 

[::fred::]

Generally speaking, neck-through will have better sustain than bolt-on or set-neck.

I'm sorry, but it has been proven ages ago that this is pure BS.

Not really, consider a bolt-on. A crappy made bolt-on is going to lose a lot of vibration transfer at the neck-joint which means less sustain. If you read all of my post you would have seen the #1 concern is build craftsmanship and the quality of components.

A well built bolt-on versus a well built neck-through in the sustain department will be negligible, but a crappy built bolt vs neck-through, I would put money that the neck-through will sustain more, regardless of how much, assuming the wood and component qualities are roughly the same in both.

I'm sorry, I don't really care about crappy instruments and with having an employee who's also a part-time guitar technician at a guitar factory in China for a MAJOR worldwide brand, I have absolutely no interest in mass produced instruments, knowing just how they're made and what bullshit is used to market them. But, if you want to indulge yourself with some further thought on the matter, consider the following. It's a common misconception, especially when people start talking about the physics of a neck joint, that the vibration transfer solely depends on the type of the neck joint. Why do people forget about cross-material losses in transfer energy? You seem absolutely sure, that a tightened pure wood-to-wood connection with a smaller contact area is always inferior to a wood-to-glue-to-wood-x2 connection on a neck-thru. Really? And what about the supposedly detrimental effect of having 2 glued pieces resonating instead of 1? Are you absolutely positive the first combination is better? It is no way near obvious. In reality, the real world physics of this is so complex, that the results cannot be predicted. No luthier or manufacturer is going to shell out money for a research like this just for a particular piece of wood. Therefore, nobody really gives a damn crap. Good instruments are what they are - regardless of construction. If a luthier says he can build better neck throughs than bolt-ons - it only means what it means: he can't build good bolt-ons. And that's perfectly fine. But every time I hear a luthier saying he builds neck-thru's because the bolt-ons are inferior - I know one thing for sure: he has no clue to what the fuck he is talking about!

Actually, there is a very good experiment/article floating around on the Internet written as a scientific paper by an engineer who did a research on sustain as a result of the construction. I can't recall the specifics, but the ultimate conclusion was, that the bolt-on actually had better sustain.

Also, plenty of guys with never ending sustain (Vai, Gilmour, Satch, etc) play bolt-ons.

Last but not least, I've owned various guitars. I've always been partial to neck-thrus because of easier upper fret access (I play a lot on the bass strings >12 fret). When I was a kid, I too seemed to fall for the common neck-thru-has-better-sustain belief. However, I admit I never noticed sustain to be a function of a neck joint. Two of my last guitars actually contradicted the common belief. The meticulously crafted custom shop neck through ESP had noticeably less sustain and warmth than the bovine not-so-well made Hufschmid with bad frets and a warped neck.

 

[Qweklain]

Generally speaking, neck-through will have better sustain than bolt-on or set-neck.

I'm sorry, but it has been proven ages ago that this is pure BS.

Not really, consider a bolt-on. A crappy made bolt-on is going to lose a lot of vibration transfer at the neck-joint which means less sustain. If you read all of my post you would have seen the #1 concern is build craftsmanship and the quality of components.

A well built bolt-on versus a well built neck-through in the sustain department will be negligible, but a crappy built bolt vs neck-through, I would put money that the neck-through will sustain more, regardless of how much, assuming the wood and component qualities are roughly the same in both.

I'm sorry, I don't really care about crappy instruments and with having an employee who's also a part-time guitar technician at a guitar factory in China for a MAJOR worldwide brand, I have absolutely no interest in mass produced instruments, knowing just how they're made and what bullshit is used to market them... (etc.)

Actually, there is a very good experiment/article floating around on the Internet written as a scientific paper by an engineer who did a research on sustain as a result of the construction. I can't recall the specifics, but the ultimate conclusion was, that the bolt-on actually had better sustain.

Also, plenty of guys with never ending sustain (Vai, Gilmour, Satch, etc) play bolt-ons.

Last but not least, I've owned various guitars. I've always been partial to neck-thrus because of easier upper fret access (I play a lot on the bass strings >12 fret). When I was a kid, I too seemed to fall for the common neck-thru-has-better-sustain belief. However, I admit I never noticed sustain to be a function of a neck joint. Two of my last guitars actually contradicted the common belief. The meticulously crafted custom shop neck through ESP had noticeably less sustain and warmth than the bovine not-so-well made Hufschmid with bad frets and a warped neck.

Did I not say in both my posts that craftsmanship and quality parts are the absolutely bottom lone most important part? I also stated that mostly the sustain difference between them will be negligible, due to as I said multiple times, the construction of both of them. If all things were 100% to the very particle the same, the N-through would probably resonate more, but that is just physically not possible.

So as I said, quality is going to be what is the real factor of good sustain or not in a guitar. Also, sometimes, some guitars are just dead sounding, no matter what the builder(s), parts, or anything equates to. It is just something that happens sometimes. Some guitars got the mojo, and others do not, it is just another play in the cards. I, too, have had custom ESPs that were not that great, but I have also had others that were jaw-dropping awesome.


I am not sure if you are arguing with me or just telling a story and throwing your opinions mixed in.