Amp and sustain

[Death by Uberschall]

The epitome of sustain!!!

 

[Ventura]

The epitome of sustain!!!

DAMN IT!!

You beat me to it

 

[Death by Uberschall]

 

[Anonymous]

put you guitar on top of your amp.

with the volume about at 3...and even on a moderate gain setting, it should start feedback looping....sustaining the note...and it will bloom, and start to run over itself to where it almost sounds like a french horn or sax or somethin'..

tsss tsssss " - chip chipperson

sorry, couldnt resist.

 

[jcj]

I have to admit that this is one thing that's really cool about the CCV. I can get pretty much any note to bloom and sustain with relatively low gain. This definately not something you find in alot of amps. Normally you need gobs of gain and volume to do this. Agreed that it's a little different amp than the HT-5 though.

This^^^^

Yup....lower gain (for the CCV), super low volume

 

[steve_k]

My newest Jose Mod from Mark has been sustaining for about 13 hours. Guess I better pop into the cave and check on it in case it starts spitting caps out the back....

 

[Qweklain]

mmm , i ste my gain max to 7/10 , and it sounds ok.

So , when I'm gonna crank my volume upe i can recieve a bit more sustain ?

And what is CCV ?

Yes you will probably have a natural increase in sustain with increased volume, partially in due to the ability to reflect feedback. Also, generally as marginally increase volume, you will lower gain a bit as the power tubes start to break-up.

CCV is Mark Cameron's very popular (on this forum anyway) production amp. CCV is the high-gain version of the amp.

 

[CECamps]

It's worth noting that midrange response plays a pretty critical role in sustain. So much of the phenomenon of sustain is due to physicalities outside of the electronic circuit--specifically sympathetic vibrations. The resonance resulting from speaker output commingled with the instrument is pretty complex.

 

[HerbieBoogie]

The epitome of sustain!!!

you beat me to it. i was so excited too. good call sir!

 

[EnGl]

Ok , i get that. Thank you

So, which amp have "the best" sustain ? I mean all the current production. And of course - available in most shops.

And about guitar :
Longer scale can also affect sustain ?
25.5 should have longer sustain because string rings on longer sector. Am i right ?
And other thing :
I'm found out that E power chord rings loonger than G barre chord - that is a normal situation ? It sound right to me because ;
E power Chord - Longer sector ringing
G Barre Chord - Shorter sector ringing

Can you verify ?

 

[EnGl]

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[Qweklain]

When it comes to the sustain of a guitar, there are so many variable it is impossible to give a definitive answer on that. The quality of woods, construction of the guitar, pickups, fret material, and the list going on. Generally speaking, neck-through will have better sustain than bolt-on or set-neck. Also, yes, a longer scale can affect sustain as well. All of that general information though is nothing if the guitar is built with shoddy wood and bad craftsmanship.

 

[EnGl]

When it comes to the sustain of a guitar, there are so many variable it is impossible to give a definitive answer on that. The quality of woods, construction of the guitar, pickups, fret material, and the list going on. Generally speaking, neck-through will have better sustain than bolt-on or set-neck. Also, yes, a longer scale can affect sustain as well. All of that general information though is nothing if the guitar is built with shoddy wood and bad craftsmanship.

Yes , but how I can recognize a bad quality wood ?

I don't have long sustain on barre chords , on single notes is ok .

 

[::fred::]

Generally speaking, neck-through will have better sustain than bolt-on or set-neck.

I'm sorry, but it has been proven ages ago that this is pure BS.

 

[guitarmike]

Yes , but how I can recognize a bad quality wood ?

I don't have long sustain on barre chords , on single notes is ok .

So, which amp have "the best" sustain ? I mean all the current production. And of course - available in most shops.

Most new guitars prices under $500 have lower quality components leading to less sustain.

Barre chords will sustain less than single notes, there is less pressure and "human contact density" on the barred notes than a single note.

In general, the amps you hear that sound great and sustain forever are a combination of:
being played/recorded at high volume
cost over $1,000
custom or modded amps

If you want an amp that sustains for days, contact any of the guys here on Rig-Talk that build and mod amps.

 

[TeleBlaster]

To muddy the waters a little more, I've been in contact with Nik about a new amp he's working on that is super clean... I was inquiring about a black face clone and he suggested this new amp that sustains clean, the SSS. (Steel String Singer)

 

[sled]

But why ? How it can be possible ?
Can someone explain me it in scientific way ?

Sustain is a positive feedback loop. When the Guitar's signal and amp-speaker output vibrate in sympathy. Amps with low IMD (Intermodulation distortion) will generally produce clear and rich harmonic feedback. Low IMD amps also produce clear sounding chords.

It's not my experience that it takes a lot of volume to produce long lasting feedback. My recordings generally are tracked at moderate room level and feedback is produced at will. Gtr/amp/cab/speaker combinations do matter though. One thing is everything affects everything.

 

[chunktone]

Thank you guys , you are awesome .

As i mentioned before - I've got a HT5h and I'm unsatisfied with sustain , "on dry" my guitar sustains loooonger.
So I'm little confused about that ...
So "high end" amp have more sustain ?
Or in other way - Which amps have long sustain ? Marshall JCM 800 2203 or ENGL Fireball ( both new) will be ok ?

Those are cool amps for what they are, but may not have enough power to get a feedback loop going.

 

[EnGl]

Yes , but how I can recognize a bad quality wood ?

I don't have long sustain on barre chords , on single notes is ok .

So, which amp have "the best" sustain ? I mean all the current production. And of course - available in most shops.

Most new guitars prices under $500 have lower quality components leading to less sustain.

Barre chords will sustain less than single notes, there is less pressure and "human contact density" on the barred notes than a single note.

In general, the amps you hear that sound great and sustain forever are a combination of:
being played/recorded at high volume
cost over $1,000
custom or modded amps

If you want an amp that sustains for days, contact any of the guys here on Rig-Talk that build and mod amps.

Yes , I listened to the records and live shows and i was a bit astonished why I'm always reach a bit shorter sustain ...
Can someone explain me how cranking amp can increase sustain ?
It saturate the sustain or somewhat ?

And also - which component in amp dedicates the sustain ? Tubes also can ?

 

[Anonymous]

Thank you guys , you are awesome .

As i mentioned before - I've got a HT5h and I'm unsatisfied with sustain , "on dry" my guitar sustains loooonger.
So I'm little confused about that ...
So "high end" amp have more sustain ?
Or in other way - Which amps have long sustain ? Marshall JCM 800 2203 or ENGL Fireball ( both new) will be ok ?

Those are cool amps for what they are, but may not have enough power to get a feedback loop going.

2203 has 100 watts right? what more do ya need!


i dispute the snobbery about lower priced guitars.

eddie, slash, page....put a shit guitar into their hands, they're going to get you something, and, 10 to getcha 1, it'll sound JUST like them.

1. its in your head.
2. its in your heart.
3. its in your mind.
4. its in your hands/body.

get all them to come together with some power, new strings, a decent pickup, and you'll be good to go.

prime recent example.....in all of Ola's vids, he sounds like himself....with ALL the different gear.

some people just have it, and some people just HAVE to overthink it. go play.