Anybody have any DEEP knowledge of this new paypal law???

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I head somthing about it from Brad at a very high level, but now they want to shut my paypal account down if I don't comply...

1099???

Why am I being 1099'd for buying/selling shit with money THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN TAXED???

W-T-F !!!

Dear Sir,

We're asking for your tax ID number due to new IRS rules. Your tax ID
number is one of these:
- Your Social Security number
- Your Individual Tax Identification Number
- Your Employer Identification Number

We'll use your tax ID number to send tax Form 1099-K to you and the IRS
when the payments you receive exceed both of these milestones in a calendar
year:
- $20,000 in gross payment volume for goods and services
- 200 payments
 
Actually a friend of mine sent me this warning last year, the provision is in the Obamacare legislation. Anything sold of value over $600.00 the buyer must fill out a 1099 form and the seller must claim this as income for that tax year.

Yes, I asked the same question if the items were already purchased with after tax dollars then how can they tax it again, WTF! :gethim: , but I am fairly certain the provision is how I have explained it. You know the 2000 page legislation that our representatives and senators did not read before they passed it into law.

I am sure someone will dig up the passage as I may not be 100% correct but this would cripple our economy even more, as I am convinced this is what they want to achieve at this stage of the game. :thumbsdown:
 
This will force everyone to abuse the gift payment, then you will get whacked for that. PayPal will be out of business in short order and take ebay with it.
 
Here's some info I could find quickly.

Obamacare Legislation Mandates 1099′s For Every And All Business Transactions In Excess of $600!!
Posted in Government Control Healthcare Healthcare Reform IRS IRS ObamaCare Tax Taxes with 16 comments

We have relentlessly been stating that Obamacare was not truly about improving the quality, cost or availability of health care but instead about government control and power. The following discovery exposes yet another example of this and adds to the litany of egregious mandates contained within this corrupt, dishonest, destructive and freedom and rights abrogating legislation.

A New ObamaCare Horror Story
Rick Manning 4/29/2010

America is discovering in horror just what Nancy Pelosi meant when she famously stated during the health care debate that, “we have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy.”

The past couple of days the news has been filled by reports that the Obama Administration’s own actuary for the Center for Medicare Services estimates that costs of the law are anything but revenue neutral and that they far exceed the ‘estimate’ provided to the public by the Administration. While many are chasing the question of if Obama knew about the higher estimates, when he knew, and if he suppressed them until the vote occurred, there is another massive problem discovered within the law.

Businesses will have to file 1099 forms with both the IRS and send them to the company that provided the services or sold the product for every expenditure that exceeds $600. If you react to this sentence the way my wife, who has run a small business did, you are saying, “that can’t be right, 1099s are only for contract employees.”



Well forget everything you thought you knew about 1099 forms, because Obama’s health care law has changed it.

In practical terms, here is what the new law means. Joe’s Plumbing prints up 100 color presentations at FedEx Kinko’s for a trade show in New Orleans, where they are staying at a Holiday Inn for six days.

At a minimum, Joe’s Plumbing will have to contact FedEx Kinko’s, the airline, Holiday Inn, the rental car company, and the organization sponsoring the trade show and get taxpayer identification numbers from them so they can comply with this tax law. The company will then have to send out 1099 forms to each of these vendors and dozens, hundreds or thousands more vendors, depending upon the size of the company, thus adding significant compliance costs to every business in America. Everyone from a company’s accountant, to building supplier, to carpet cleaner to janitorial service will be trading 1099 forms.

Yes, that’s right, trading 1099 forms, because at the same time, Joe’s Plumbing will also be receiving 1099 forms from every one of their business customers who spent more than $600 with them over the course of the year, which they will be required to keep and reconcile against their books.

Do you have any wonder why Joe’s Plumbing might be more than a tad bit irritated? The new Obama health care takeover just took a guy with a pipe wrench, pvc pipe and a plunger and forced him into Dante’s eighth circle of hell – tracking and filing IRS paperwork.

So, what kind of IRS rules will be put into place to set the framework for how all these tax forms must be filed and stored?

Actually, bombshell number two is that the IRS will not be setting these rules. Instead, those noted tax experts at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services will be writing and overseeing these tax regulations. Why? Who knows? It is the Alice in Wonderland world of the Obama health care bill.

U.S. Representative Dan Lungren (R-CA) has taken the first steps in alleviating this paperwork chokehold on America’s small business by introducing legislation to repeal this new burden.

Let’s hope that America’s businesses tell their Members of Congress to repeal what Lungren calls the “rat” tax, but what many observers believe should rightfully be called the preparation for the liberal Shangri-la of the VAT tax.

After all, once businesses are tracking every transaction over $600 and filing IRS paperwork on it, how much harder will it be for Congress to just say, add 10% to each bill and send it our way, extending taxation to every level of business unseen to unwary consumers who suddenly just see retail prices rise without knowing the increase is a new, hidden tax.

The requirement goes into effect January 2012. Better get a CPA on retainer. And stock up on toner and paper.

Rick Manning is the Director of Communications for Americans for Limited Government, and the former Public Affairs Chief of Staff for the U.S. Department of Labor.
 
IRS rules have stated for quite some time that any payment over $600 be followed up at year end by at Form 1099....It's nothing new.
The IRS is getting into Paypal's business to see how cash is flowing there. This has nothing to do with any healthcare bill....it's been part of the Internal Revenue Code for a long time. Banks are required to disclose ALL cash transactions over $10K to the IRS and have for a long time.

Long story short....the IRS sucks.
 
First of all, the $600 1099 requirement has been or is going to be repealed due to massive public outcry.

Second, that they addressed you as "Sir" instead of your actual Paypal account registered name is a massive hint that this is a phishing email in which someone is trying to trick you in to supplying personal information. Do not click any links in the email message.

So instead of posting on chat rooms about the issue (although the anti Obama rants are always amusing), the thing to do is call Paypal and ask if the email is legit or not.
 
The $600 1099 rule has been in effect for years....it will not be repealed and is part of doing business that every company has to comply with.
I'm an accountant for a large company and have to send large stacks of computer generated 1099's each year if the payments are over $600.
It won't be repealed and is nothing new...believe it or not. If you don't believe it you will just be incorrect.
The rest of this email does seem to have some phishing characteristics to it. The 1099 debate is no debate it's the Internal Revenue Code and has been for years.
 
Just because you get a 1099 for a cash flow, does not mean it is a taxable event. It's just reporting a transaction to the IRS. If you got audited, you would have to have receipts to prove it wasn't a taxable event. For example, you sold an amp for $1000, you previously bought it for $1200. PP 1099s you for the $1000. You don't owe tax since there was no income. Just keep contemporaneous documentation of your cost basis. Now if the situation was reversed, and you bought it for $1000 an sold it for $1200. You have to claim the $200 as misc. income on your tax return. That has always been the case....it's just been difficult to enforce. By requiring 1099s through paypal, it provides the IRS a mechanism to identify and enforce tax compliance.
 
Definitely looks like a phishing attempt to me. Paypal will always address you using the full name entered in your account and never by Dear Sir or Dear <email@address.com>.
 
mhenson42":3pgxa4ps said:
Just because you get a 1099 for a cash flow, does not mean it is a taxable event. It's just reporting a transaction to the IRS. If you got audited, you would have to have receipts to prove it wasn't a taxable event. For example, you sold an amp for $1000, you previously bought it for $1200. PP 1099s you for the $1000. You don't owe tax since there was no income. Just keep contemporaneous documentation of your cost basis. Now if the situation was reversed, and you bought it for $1000 an sold it for $1200. You have to claim the $200 as misc. income on your tax return. That has always been the case....it's just been difficult to enforce. By requiring 1099s through paypal, it provides the IRS a mechanism to identify and enforce tax compliance.

Ding, ding, ding :D

Conversely, if you lost money, you're allowed to reflect that, as well.

Nothing scary, here.

A pain in the ass? Maybe, but definitely not anything new.
 
Tonelover":3e3j3ajc said:
First of all, the $600 1099 requirement has been or is going to be repealed due to massive public outcry.

Second, that they addressed you as "Sir" instead of your actual Paypal account registered name is a massive hint that this is a phishing email in which someone is trying to trick you in to supplying personal information. Do not click any links in the email message.

So instead of posting on chat rooms about the issue (although the anti Obama rants are always amusing), the thing to do is call Paypal and ask if the email is legit or not.

IT IS IN MY PAL PAL ACCOUNT AS A "POP UP MESSAGE" WHEN I LOG IN TO SEE MY BALANCE...

IT IS NOT A PHISHING SCAM, THIS SHIT IS COMMING STRAIGHT FROM THEM
 
mhenson42":2f8yctus said:
Just keep contemporaneous documentation of your cost basis.

GEEZ LOUISE!!!

In freaking ENGLISH man, I'm just a humble software systems architect, not an MBA...

:D
 
Tonelover":2tgg64dn said:
So instead of posting on chat rooms about the issue (although the anti Obama rants are always amusing), the thing to do is call Paypal and ask if the email is legit or not.

I've found VERY little amusing since Obama assumed office. Well... expect maybe his "corpseman" speech! :lol: :LOL:
 
RELAX.

As the message indicates, they are only going to send you a 1099 if you sell more than $20k AND do more than 200 selling transactions. They're just trying to bust people who are doing business (not a hobby) under the radar. LOTS of people are running businesses on ebay and not paying any taxes on their income.
 
jcj":399q2dv9 said:
mhenson42":399q2dv9 said:
Just because you get a 1099 for a cash flow, does not mean it is a taxable event. It's just reporting a transaction to the IRS. If you got audited, you would have to have receipts to prove it wasn't a taxable event. For example, you sold an amp for $1000, you previously bought it for $1200. PP 1099s you for the $1000. You don't owe tax since there was no income. Just keep contemporaneous documentation of your cost basis. Now if the situation was reversed, and you bought it for $1000 an sold it for $1200. You have to claim the $200 as misc. income on your tax return. That has always been the case....it's just been difficult to enforce. By requiring 1099s through paypal, it provides the IRS a mechanism to identify and enforce tax compliance.

Ding, ding, ding :D

Conversely, if you lost money, you're allowed to reflect that, as well.

Nothing scary, here.

A pain in the ass? Maybe, but definitely not anything new.

Unfortunately, "hobby" losses are only deductible up to the amount of hobby income and are subject to the 2% of AGI threshold and can't be used to offset other types gains. If you are in the business of buying/selling gear, then yes, losses would be deductible. The IRS assumes you're trying to make a taxable profit (in the business) if you actually made money in at least three tax years of the past five tax years.
 
Moshaholic":36xi461v said:
mhenson42":36xi461v said:
Just keep contemporaneous documentation of your cost basis.

GEEZ LOUISE!!!

In freaking ENGLISH man, I'm just a humble software systems architect, not an MBA...

:D


....in other words, keep your receipts. :lol: :LOL:

Request receipts from people you buy stuff from.....Or keep a log that details all of the important information about a buy/sell transaction as of the date of the transcation.
 
Easy... just make multiple payments of $599 until you reach the last payment that needs to be x amount of dollars. Either that, or it looks like we will go back to the old send a money order in the mail system!
 

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