Anyone done this? Amp > hotplate line out > fx > amp > cab?

[stratotone]

have a gig friday, been thinking about this:

Running the '72 SuperLead into a hotplate set to load, take the line out from the hotplate to fx, then fx to VHT 2/90/2 poweramp into a cab.

Am I crazy, or has anyone else done something like this? I love the SL tone, but no effects is messing with me... I really miss delay and for sure miss being able to footswitch a volume boost.

If I do this, I will either use my axe-fx for effects only, or pedals with a GCX.

Pete

 

[Digital Jams]

Ed has been doing that for years as well as most guys that gig with plexi type amps, set it to no load and send the line out to your fx stuff.

Not crazy

 

[70strathead]

thats exactly how I run my big rig , except i'm using a second Marshall head ( effects loop return) to power the effects ( echoplex in this case) into another cab. works awesome.

 

[johnnyjellybean]

That was my 80's setup

 

[FUZZboat]

PsychoDave's got slaving down to a "T"

http://www.rig-talk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=58047

 

[Greazygeo]

That is exactly how I run mine all the time. Back in the early 90's did the same
but with a Rocktron box instead....try it you'll love it. I did like Ant and used other Marshalls as power amps, couldnt afford a power amp.

This old vid is with both of us gtr players using the loaded down setups....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGtQtpbZESg&feature=related

 

[JTyson]

I've gotten some killer results with that setup. Different components but same signal chain.

 

[dstroud]

Yup, I used that setup and used a Peavey Classic 30 loaded down - into fx - into the return of a Peavey Classic 50 - sounded great!

 

[stratotone]

Just tried it at home - didn't like how it sounded, even went from the out of the amp to the hotplate directly to the VHT 2/90/2 poweramp then back into the '72 cab.

Took too much of the balls out... dammit. Oh well. This amp sounds juicy as is... I just wanted volume boosts for leads. Guess I'll mess with working a volume pedal up for that.

Hey Jeff (Kannibul) - you need to come over and hear what a real marshall sounds like

Pete

 

[Digital Jams]

set to no padding I take it?

Maybe it is because of the ppivm installed?

Try diming the master and using the fiddle volume maybe?

Mess with the deep and bright switches?

 

[stratotone]

set to no padding I take it?

Maybe it is because of the ppivm installed?

Try diming the master and using the fiddle volume maybe?

Mess with the deep and bright switches?

Yeah, I tried everything for two hours... even hooked up the '74 50 watt that I rewired to stock and tried just cranking it into the plate, it loses some depth, bounce and 'sparkle'. When I chug on the lower strings without a hot plate and just the amp cranked, it gets this crazy 'hear the string windings' thing going on, and there is a little compression - not a ton but it's there. You feel it more than hear it, it's not real extreme. On the VHT I tried boosting the depth and presence to bring back the balls and top end, but it just didn't do what I wanted to hear.

I feel like a damned TGP corksniffer, but holy shit this amp is the bees knees. The PPIV master is a little different than some schematics I've seen, including the 4 ones from Ken Fischer... Nobody signed the amp, and if it was done when they did the screen resistors, it was probably done in the mid to late 70s. I think my chops are getting a little better too because I'm having to fight the amp a little instead of coast.

Pete

 

[degenaro]

set to no padding I take it?

Maybe it is because of the ppivm installed?

Try diming the master and using the fiddle volume maybe?

Mess with the deep and bright switches?

Yeah, I tried everything for two hours... even hooked up the '74 50 watt that I rewired to stock and tried just cranking it into the plate, it loses some depth, bounce and 'sparkle'. When I chug on the lower strings without a hot plate and just the amp cranked, it gets this crazy 'hear the string windings' thing going on, and there is a little compression - not a ton but it's there. You feel it more than hear it, it's not real extreme. On the VHT I tried boosting the depth and presence to bring back the balls and top end, but it just didn't do what I wanted to hear.

I feel like a damned TGP corksniffer, but holy shit this amp is the bees knees. The PPIV master is a little different than some schematics I've seen, including the 4 ones from Ken Fischer... Nobody signed the amp, and if it was done when they did the screen resistors, it was probably done in the mid to late 70s. I think my chops are getting a little better too because I'm having to fight the amp a little instead of coast.

Pete

Might have a ground issue happening, but I don't think so. You do know that the boost switches work in reverse on the line-out right? Up is off, down is on. Also where are you running the line level control?

 

[stratotone]

set to no padding I take it?

Maybe it is because of the ppivm installed?

Try diming the master and using the fiddle volume maybe?

Mess with the deep and bright switches?

Yeah, I tried everything for two hours... even hooked up the '74 50 watt that I rewired to stock and tried just cranking it into the plate, it loses some depth, bounce and 'sparkle'. When I chug on the lower strings without a hot plate and just the amp cranked, it gets this crazy 'hear the string windings' thing going on, and there is a little compression - not a ton but it's there. You feel it more than hear it, it's not real extreme. On the VHT I tried boosting the depth and presence to bring back the balls and top end, but it just didn't do what I wanted to hear.

I feel like a damned TGP corksniffer, but holy shit this amp is the bees knees. The PPIV master is a little different than some schematics I've seen, including the 4 ones from Ken Fischer... Nobody signed the amp, and if it was done when they did the screen resistors, it was probably done in the mid to late 70s. I think my chops are getting a little better too because I'm having to fight the amp a little instead of coast.

Pete

Might have a ground issue happening, but I don't think so. You do know that the boost switches work in reverse on the line-out right? Up is off, down is on. Also where are you running the line level control?

Tried with the boost switches each in both positions, and had the line level anywhere from 3/4 to 1/4. Also played with the level button on the VHT, and the depth/presence controls.

Don't get me wrong, it didn't sound HORRIBLE but it didn't sound as good as just the amp on it's own. Now I'm thinking about putting a metro fx loop kit in two of the four speaker jacks... might be the easiest way to go.

Pete

 

[Greazygeo]

Just tried it at home - didn't like how it sounded, even went from the out of the amp to the hotplate directly to the VHT 2/90/2 poweramp then back into the '72 cab.

Took too much of the balls out... dammit. Oh well. This amp sounds juicy as is... I just wanted volume boosts for leads. Guess I'll mess with working a volume pedal up for that.

Hey Jeff (Kannibul) - you need to come over and hear what a real marshall sounds like

Pete

Is the 2/90/2 the only poweramp you tried?

 

[stephen sawall]

When I do something like that I like to use something other than load on the Hot Plate and mix ..... kind of a wet dry thing.

Putting a effect loop on a amp that gets a lot of it's overdrive from the poweramp would not work for me .... I have several amps that are poweramp distortion amps with a loop and I never use the loop.
It is all about having effects pre or post distortion.

 

[70strathead]

That is exactly how I run mine all the time. Back in the early 90's did the same
but with a Rocktron box instead....try it you'll love it. I did like Ant and used other Marshalls as power amps, couldnt afford a power amp.

This old vid is with both of us gtr players using the loaded down setups....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGtQtpbZESg&feature=related

i love this video, great classic British tube rock tones fired up and accompanied with great playing and vibe..the rocktron box was the shit back then. i think i used it on a couple shows then i went to the alesis quadroverb. remember those?!

 

[Shark Diver]

I'm doing it now. SLO w/Palmer as a load, SLO slave out>mixer>FX>VHT Classic> 2 thiele cabs. Hard to go back to anything else.

 

[Shark Diver]

PsychoDave's got slaving down to a "T"

http://www.rig-talk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=58047

"To slave, I use a Suhr ISO box from the amp head...I always run 8 ohms at the head into 16 ohm cabs (typically stock or modified Marshalls). My dry signal goes to a Marshall 4x12 loaded with Blackback 30's. The ISO line feeds a Rocktron Intellifex, into 2 Rane PE-17 parametric EQ's (I have not tried the TC Electronics or Furman PQ-6 in this capacity since I use them as a pre-amps for my stock Marshalls)...one for each channel since I run the wet cabinets in stereo, then I go into either a Carvin DCM150 power amp or a MosValve 962 (I prefer the 962 and use it currently). The wet cabinets get changed out at times. I usually use one loaded with Celestion 65's and one with either Celestion 75's or Blackback 30's."


Actually this isn't slaving. The ISO is not a load and the dry amp is connected to a cab. The signal off the iso is for FX. Most people would run those fx 100% into the power amp/cabs for wet. Simple W/D/W rig.

If there is dry signal in the wet cabs then that dry would be a slaved signal. But that is probably where he has the treble issues because of phasing. Not sure what he is doing on the wet side. I know guys that would add about 15% dry in the wet cabs, or even another head, but again you really have to watch for phase issues.

 

[Greazygeo]

That is exactly how I run mine all the time. Back in the early 90's did the same
but with a Rocktron box instead....try it you'll love it. I did like Ant and used other Marshalls as power amps, couldnt afford a power amp.

This old vid is with both of us gtr players using the loaded down setups....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGtQtpbZESg&feature=related

i love this video, great classic British tube rock tones fired up and accompanied with great playing and vibe..the rocktron box was the shit back then. i think i used it on a couple shows then i went to the alesis quadroverb. remember those?!

Yep Juice Extractor into Digitech Harmonizer into Quadraverb out to two 2203 power sections Seemed that was the ticket!

Still have mine too.

 

[stratotone]

Just tried it at home - didn't like how it sounded, even went from the out of the amp to the hotplate directly to the VHT 2/90/2 poweramp then back into the '72 cab.

Took too much of the balls out... dammit. Oh well. This amp sounds juicy as is... I just wanted volume boosts for leads. Guess I'll mess with working a volume pedal up for that.

Hey Jeff (Kannibul) - you need to come over and hear what a real marshall sounds like

Pete

Is the 2/90/2 the only poweramp you tried?

Yeah, it may be too 'tight' for this application. I also have a Randall RT2/50 in storage I may get out and try later. Oh, and a Rocktron Velocity, but I doubt it would be worthwhile in this application.

Pete