Anyone play a cheapo Zoom or Behringer into loop for FX?

[Kapo_Polenton]

I have been playing a wet/dry at home because my RAndall Lynchbox serial loops sucks balls. With the G MAjor II I can't get anywhere close to unity gain (sounds great low though) and I'm not using anything but the echoplex sim. I need line level pedals so i got to thinking, my amp is doing all the work, why not get my delay and verb from some cheapo unit like a Zoom G2 lynch pedal or something? Was watching some reviews, seems like it does a pretty decent job. I 'm at the point where I am realizing that I have spent far too much time on gear whoring and analyzing every little bit of my tone. This very simple "all on the floor" rig moving forward will also work with a wet/dry if I use an amp with no effects loop because I'll also have a EHX magnum 44 on my pedal board. So let's hear it, any of you guys doing this? When you jam or when you play gigs, can you honestly tell the difference?? I was going down the road of possibly selling the G Major and picking up a nova delay repeater but it's just more cash for one effect...

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

Nobody eh? How about this line6 M5? What do y'all think of the delays and reverbs on this bad boy?

 

[SkyhighRocks]

i've used the Behringer V-amp 2 in my rig before...it worked fine for delays, chorus, etc...

I've also used most of the line 6 stuff, the g-major, digitech, etc...never had problems with uneven levels...

 

[Michi]

Hey, I just realized I had a Behringer DSP2024 for a short while. I tried it out in the Marshall 6100 loop, and sold it right after for two reasons: 1 it sucked tone quite a lot, the change in tone could be heard very clearly and 2 there is a significant delay when going from preset to preset ie not seamless by any means (this is actually written in the manual but hey who reads them anyway?!).

I had a Biyang RV-10 reverb pedal as well and with that engaged I didn't hear much of a difference in tone, if any.

Can't say anything to the uneven level problem though as all my stuff's been straight forward in the loop stuff.

Hope that helps .

 

[ConcreteVampire]

RP 2000

4 cable method, quality efx.

Sold all my rack crap n pedals, just use this live.

Well, honestly I kept the Intellifex for home use.

 

[SkyhighRocks]

RP 2000

4 cable method, quality efx.

Sold all my rack crap n pedals, just use this live.

I agree...I use the iPB-10 which is almost the same thing.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

Thanks guys.. as for the G Major II not sure why i have unity gain issues but I do. It totally cuts volume no matter what settings i use (consumer, pro etc..) I suspect this is prob. why i was able to score it pretty much brand new for a good price in the first place. So far the nova delay repeater seems like it might be the answer but i'm still open or interested in hearing about people's experiences. I saw a demo of the Zoom in an effects loop and thought it was pretty transparent. The quality of the effects might not be as good though..

 

[Anonymous]

i use my v-amp pro for a lot of stuff....mainly as the W part of my rig, but in lower volumes at home, i use the preamps i have programmed into it (based of a lot of popular amps i tried to synthesize with my ears) and it really spreads out the sound.

for some reason, i dig a bit of that digital, processed sound somewhere in the mix behind the good ol tubes. dont ask fucking why, i just do. it definitely sounds huge...and, im sure, if i had an axe or something similiar preamp wise, i could get it sounding even better.

 

[glassjaw7]

No, but the other guitarist in my band uses a shitty Zoom 505 for his gain tones. He plays it into a 1959 SLP reissue and 1960B. He fucking pisses me off!!!

 

[1big1]

i tried a behringer fx 600 into my serial loop and experienced significant tone suckage. it does have an "a" and "b" input and output. not sure if using a y cord would help that or not.. but going "a" input to "a" output wasn't so good.

 

[Stramm8]

No, but the other guitarist in my band uses a shitty Zoom 505 for his gain tones. He plays it into a 1959 SLP reissue and 1960B. He fucking pisses me off!!!

The other guitarist in my band just got his '68 Bassman back from the shop and ran a Zoom something or other box (has three switches on it) into the front end...It freaking killed. He couldn't make it to the sound check so I set his rig up and scrolled through some presets and it rocked The only problem with his set up is at low volume it sounded like the amp was in a box but as soon as you opened it up a bit, Bam!!!

 

[1big1]

come to think of it i still have that unit sitting around. maybe using a "y" cord on the ins and outs would help?

 

[Michi]

i tried a behringer fx 600 into my serial loop and experienced significant tone suckage. it does have an "a" and "b" input and output. not sure if using a y cord would help that or not.. but going "a" input to "a" output wasn't so good.

Hey, I was just looking the local ads and there was a Behringer fx600 around here for like $20 and was thinking to myself would that do the occasional delays I need. I'd be using it in front of my amp, my signal chain is guitar -> wah -> Radial Bones -> tuner -> amp. But apparently it sucks tone big time?

 

[glassjaw7]

No, but the other guitarist in my band uses a shitty Zoom 505 for his gain tones. He plays it into a 1959 SLP reissue and 1960B. He fucking pisses me off!!!

The other guitarist in my band just got his '68 Bassman back from the shop and ran a Zoom something or other box (has three switches on it) into the front end...It freaking killed. He couldn't make it to the sound check so I set his rig up and scrolled through some presets and it rocked The only problem with his set up is at low volume it sounded like the amp was in a box but as soon as you opened it up a bit, Bam!!!

Well, it must've been one of the newer ones (does Zoom even make pedals anymore? ) That old 505 sounds like digital, honky shit!!! What a waste of a nice tube amp. I'm trying to tell him to sell the damn thing and just buy an amp with a sweet gain channel. Or at least get a nice pedal.

 

[petejt]

I don't use an effects loop.

 

[1big1]

i tried a behringer fx 600 into my serial loop and experienced significant tone suckage. it does have an "a" and "b" input and output. not sure if using a y cord would help that or not.. but going "a" input to "a" output wasn't so good.

Hey, I was just looking the local ads and there was a Behringer fx600 around here for like $20 and was thinking to myself would that do the occasional delays I need. I'd be using it in front of my amp, my signal chain is guitar -> wah -> Radial Bones -> tuner -> amp. But apparently it sucks tone big time?

there's a lot more treble in the signal when it's engaged. that's why i was thinking that a "y" cord across both inputs and outputs MIGHT correct that. sometimes gear that can be run in stereo looses something when it's run in mono. my pedalboard is at the rehearsal space.. so i can't try that theory out right now. i was using it mostly for clean chorus sounds. the ce-5 i've got is a better unit.. but i'm using it on another board right now.
the only other way i could think of to fix that would be to put an eq in the loop.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

It is easy to say you don't use an effects loop when you get most of your gain from pedals. If you go distortion box then into delays then into crunchy or clean amp then yeah, you can totally get away with it. In most cases though, delay in front of a cascaded preamp of any type forget about it!! I'm not sure how in the hell Lynch uses that Strymon into the front of his amps but apparently he does. I think the answer clearly is that he prob runs that amp way cleaner and has a sort of wet/dry thing going on stage.

 

[1big1]

right now i'm using pedals for dirt into the front of a carvin x 60 b set clean. i've also got delay in the loop. hadn't thought about running the chorus with the dirt. i'm using an od 808 as clean boost. that might be worth trying since i'm basically chorusing just boosted cleans anyway.
thanks for the food for thought.