Asylum seekers my ass

[70 Mach 1]

Love the way the media frames this.

They're illegal immigrants pure and simple.

So they sugar coat it for the stupid dumb ass Americans who will allow it to happen

 

[Strandberg Junkie]

They're illegal immigrants pure and simple.

Fucking criminals!

They travel to the USA seeking asylum from their shit countries.
The ones unwilling to wait to go through the process and decide to sneak across are the illegals.

Coming here cause you want a better life for your family is not a crime.
Hell, your great grandparents did it.

 

[70 Mach 1]

Fucking criminals!

They travel to the USA seeking asylum from their shit countries.
The ones unwilling to wait to go through the process and decide to sneak across are the illegals.

Coming here cause you want a better life for your family is not a crime.
Hell, your great grandparents did it.

Yes. But they all did it legally. Dropped the Italian language and learned English.

They didn't have bilingual signs

Paid taxes.
Didn't accept government hand outs and bought their first house for $28k 17 yrs later.

Those were immigrants.
Not what's running across the boarders like roaches today

 

[Strandberg Junkie]

You know that Italy made sure those ships had all of their dregs on board too.
You and your buddies brought the whole La Costa Nostra over with ya.
Talk about illegal immigrants.

Seriously, watch the news. Vast majority of people looking to cross are fucking families for cripes sake.
Lugging infants and little kids with them. That sound like criminals to you?

Don't throw the baby out with the bath water!
These people will end up picking the tomatoes that go into your next salad.

 

[psychodave]

Problem is that the “asylum seekers” are being treated differently than citizens. Remember when citizens were FORCED to get a Covid vaccine to be able to go to school? Why do these “asylum seekers” get a pass?



https://www.foxnews.com/media/paren...ools-without-health-records-years-covid-rules

 

[Strandberg Junkie]

 

[Dan Gleesak]

While I I believe everyone coming in to our country should be in some way accounted for, our former president didn’t even pay taxes so I doubt we should really worry about whatever bullshit salary these immigrants are making to do the work that we won’t

 

[JackBootedThug]

While I I believe everyone coming in to our country should be in some way accounted for, our former president didn’t even pay taxes so I doubt we should really worry about whatever bullshit salary these immigrants are making to do the work that we won’t

That’s an easy fix. Donnie posted a picture about cherry picking in another thread, that is what you just did….asshole. Lol….I agree with you about the work they do. Shame on us….

 

[psychodave]

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Ignoring the facts because it hurts your argument doesn’t make the facts any less true.

 

[Strandberg Junkie]

For reference, I owned a home for 20 years here.
Less than 2-3 miles from 2 of the largest US/Mexico border crossings.

I personally know lots of Mexicans. Worked shoulder to shoulder with them.
Got shit faced falling down drunk with them. Went to weddings with their families.

One of the guys who worked for me asked me to attend his Naturalization Ceremony.
Dude had tears in his eyes showing me his official US Citizen certificate - and he'd been
legally in the US for over 10 years!

Vast majority of these people only want what you and me want - decent place to live,
a steady job, and a safe place to raise a family.

Immigration and Asylum seekers is not an area where simply broad brush statements
are going to work.

 

[rsm]

just another symptom of the decline.

if you don't protect your borders, you have an invasion.

 

[Dan Gleesak]

That’s an easy fix. Donnie posted a picture about cherry picking in another thread, that is what you just did….asshole. Lol….I agree with you about the work they do. Shame on us….

You make a good point lol

I was a landscaper for 10 years or so and I worked with a lot of legal and illegal workers. None of them were living it up on handouts. Not to say illegal immigration isn’t a problem and doesn’t need attention, but they aren’t exactly getting a “free pass” or anything. They aren’t living a glamorous life here at all.

Most of the guys I worked with came in on H2B visas and would come back year after year. Hearing some of the stories they told about back home was pretty eye opening to me on how things really could be. They could only send small parts of their paychecks home each week because a full check would make their family the richest people in town and put a target on their heads. Another guy was pumped to get his first paycheck so he could buy people in his village shoes because most of them didn’t have any.

Those are extreme cases I imagine but I think if more people understood why they were fleeing here, it would be a big step towards coming up with an acceptable solution.

 

[rsm]

For reference, I owned a home at the red dot for 20+ years.
Less than 2-3 miles from 2 of the largest US/Mexico border crossings.

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I personally know lots of Mexicans. Worked shoulder to shoulder with them.
Got shit faced falling down drunk with them. Went to weddings with their families.

One of the guys who worked for me asked me to attend his Naturalization Ceremony.
Dude had tears in his eyes showing me his official US Citizen certificate - and he'd been
legally in the US for over 10 years!

Vast majority of these people only want what you and me want - decent place to live,
a steady job, and a safe place to raise a family.

Immigration and Asylum seekers is not an area where simply broad brush statements
are going to work.

there are rules. everyone else follows the rules to gain legal citizenship.

crossing the southern border illegally is illegal; it doesn't mean you get fasttracked to citizenship; on the contrary, crossing the border illegally should disqualify you from obtaining citizenship.

laws are meaningless if not effectively enforced.

IMO

 

[JackBootedThug]

You make a good point lol

I was a landscaper for 10 years or so and I worked with a lot of legal and illegal workers. None of them were living it up on handouts. Not to say illegal immigration isn’t a problem and doesn’t need attention, but they aren’t exactly getting a “free pass” or anything. They aren’t living a glamorous life here at all.

Most of the guys I worked with came in on H2B visas and would come back year after year. Hearing some of the stories they told about back home was pretty eye opening to me on how things really could be. They could only send small parts of their paychecks home each week because a full check would make their family the richest people in town and put a target on their heads. Another guy was pumped to get his first paycheck so he could buy people in his village shoes because most of them didn’t have any.

Those are extreme cases I imagine but I think if more people understood why they were fleeing here, it would be a big step towards coming up with an acceptable solution.

yep-My take away from the ones I worked with were they were normal people in a bad situation. I have never met a lazy "Mexican" either. I paid them about 36 dollars a month plus the occasional onion or green pepper....They usually sent all the 36 bucks home. But-you break the law-you pay the price...

 

[WEF Chairman]

Let’s focus on not destabilizing their home countries. Let’s focus on quenching the American drug lust that gives the cartels their power and money. Let’s focus on penalizing the greedy businesses that exploit these people.

Furthermore, immigration from the south is down considerably and has been for a while. Legal and illegal.

 

[Dan Gleesak]

yep-My take away from the ones I worked with were they were normal people in a bad situation. I have never met a lazy "Mexican" either. I paid them about 36 dollars a month plus the occasional onion or green pepper....They usually sent all the 36 bucks home. But-you break the law-you pay the price...

it makes me think about the argument that we all basically came here as immigrants, or at least our families did. But what I'm not totally clear on was how that all worked. Was there communication between Europe and Ellis island on who is coming over? Were there clearance checks that the USA had agree on before people came over? Or did people basically come in to port, fill out some paperwork and they were on their way to citizenship? It's easy to say our ancestors came here "legally" but how does that compare to today? I reckon if everyone coming through our southern boarder today only had to do what people had to do coming in to Ellis Island did, they would happily line up and do that. Instead I'm pretty sure it is much more complicated today.

 

[WEF Chairman]

 

[Strandberg Junkie]

There's only one way to retort when someone makes such a home run statement
in the course of a very complex and nuanced argument like what just occured.

Kudos Sir Aynirar!

 

[psychodave]

our former president didn’t even pay taxes

Clearly you do not understand taxes, write offs as well as other tax avoidance skills. I work with this stuff on a daily basis. For people to think Trump didn’t pay any taxes is pure ignorance.

If you don’t like it, change the laws, don’t be mad at people for using the laws to avoid massive tax bills.

 

[Dan Gleesak]

Clearly you do not understand taxes, write offs as well as other tax avoidance skills. I work with this stuff on a daily basis. For people to think Trump didn’t pay any taxes is pure ignorance.

If you don’t like it, change the laws, don’t be mad at people for using the laws to avoid massive tax bills.

I’m well aware he took advantage of every loophole he could.
Not that much different than people “taking asylum” here vs just coming over illegally. I’m just pointing out the double standard