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BYTOR":3t11c8hu said:Is that Carl? Do you wash his balls?....
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You don't know who that is being such an Axe Fx fan?


BYTOR":3t11c8hu said:Is that Carl? Do you wash his balls?....
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Man With Gas":3jk8ojzv said:I have a H8000a (s /n 666) plus I have a Kemper and I used to own an Axe FX 2 (Yes, all at the same time)
Man With Gas":3jk8ojzv said:I appreciate loophead's frustration about the net and people comparing things without actual hands on experience of all the units in question.
Very few guitarists have personally used or own an Eventide 7600/H8000.
Shiny_Surface":18g45xvl said:BYTOR":18g45xvl said:Is that Carl? Do you wash his balls?....
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Shark Diver":z8pgfxkg said:Man With Gas":z8pgfxkg said:I have a H8000a (s /n 666) plus I have a Kemper and I used to own an Axe FX 2 (Yes, all at the same time)
You should change your name to Man with Gear,![]()
Man With Gas":z8pgfxkg said:I appreciate loophead's frustration about the net and people comparing things without actual hands on experience of all the units in question.
Very few guitarists have personally used or own an Eventide 7600/H8000.
Unfortunately that's the internet.
The only reason I haven't taken the plunge on the H800 is simply the quality of the unit would really be lost in a live application. Plus, I'd probably use 15% of what it can do. That being said if one fell into my lap at $2k I'd have it in my rack![]()
Zachman":1ehlklvk said:Shark Diver":1ehlklvk said:Man With Gas":1ehlklvk said:I have a H8000a (s /n 666) plus I have a Kemper and I used to own an Axe FX 2 (Yes, all at the same time)
You should change your name to Man with Gear,![]()
Man With Gas":1ehlklvk said:I appreciate loophead's frustration about the net and people comparing things without actual hands on experience of all the units in question.
Very few guitarists have personally used or own an Eventide 7600/H8000.
Unfortunately that's the internet.
The only reason I haven't taken the plunge on the H800 is simply the quality of the unit would really be lost in a live application. Plus, I'd probably use 15% of what it can do. That being said if one fell into my lap at $2k I'd have it in my rack![]()
I have found that, re: the unit being lost, in a live application -- this is one area where the unit really shines, especially compared to less powerful choices. Also, when recording live performances, the fidelity is appreciated-- over other choices.
As to your 2nd reason-- that was THE MAIN reason I went w/ the H8000FW. I didn't want to reach the max potential with yet another multi-fx unit, and find myself wanting and needing MORE. That, and-- I got it NEW in 2006, for a GREAT deal!!
Shark Diver":1gucjuf4 said:Zachman":1gucjuf4 said:Shark Diver":1gucjuf4 said:Man With Gas":1gucjuf4 said:I have a H8000a (s /n 666) plus I have a Kemper and I used to own an Axe FX 2 (Yes, all at the same time)
You should change your name to Man with Gear,![]()
Man With Gas":1gucjuf4 said:I appreciate loophead's frustration about the net and people comparing things without actual hands on experience of all the units in question.
Very few guitarists have personally used or own an Eventide 7600/H8000.
Unfortunately that's the internet.
The only reason I haven't taken the plunge on the H800 is simply the quality of the unit would really be lost in a live application. Plus, I'd probably use 15% of what it can do. That being said if one fell into my lap at $2k I'd have it in my rack![]()
I have found that, re: the unit being lost, in a live application -- this is one area where the unit really shines, especially compared to less powerful choices. Also, when recording live performances, the fidelity is appreciated-- over other choices.
As to your 2nd reason-- that was THE MAIN reason I went w/ the H8000FW. I didn't want to reach the max potential with yet another multi-fx unit, and find myself wanting and needing MORE. That, and-- I got it NEW in 2006, for a GREAT deal!!
I meant lost on the audience.![]()
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And if I get the deal I will definitely pick one up.But in reality, I really don"t use much fx, so it would always be an under used luxury for me
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Rezamatix":1t2y2mc7 said:Im with Shark Diver. If I could get one for 2K. I would have it...Ebay here I come.
mentoneman":r60mlhxr said:i agree with zach that you don't buy gear initially to make it work for the audience. initially. but for me as i go down the road i make decisions that best suit me on stage in the moment, and secondarily the audience and how they perceive my sounds.
the two note stuff seems to be a great way to eliminate the mic position/mic type/speaker variable to the house so i'd get that item just for consistency to the FOH. it wouldn't be so much for my sake and what i hear onstage.
the cost factor of the 8000 makes it really hard to imagine buying for a guitar rig, and not anything else, but like zach said, it is limitless--well only by one's imagination and ability to program it--- and sorta the ultimate effects device in terms of power and flexibility.
the lag factor can be avoided if you use the virtual rack and cc things on and off--never having to leave the preset and therefore not waiting to reload algorithms.
ps-
need some prayer for a friend who got hurt in a freak accident-we were shooting for nat geo tv show in MT this week and he and his camera/tripod got thrown by an extremely aggressive bull, about 8 feet in the air, totally flipped upside down, and landed on his head, cracking C5/7 and fracturing C6. he's been my friend for 25 years and a super great guy. long road ahead.
peace
mentoneman":3fe69nfm said:i agree with zach that you don't buy gear initially to make it work for the audience. initially. but for me as i go down the road i make decisions that best suit me on stage in the moment, and secondarily the audience and how they perceive my sounds.
the two note stuff seems to be a great way to eliminate the mic position/mic type/speaker variable to the house so i'd get that item just for consistency to the FOH. it wouldn't be so much for my sake and what i hear onstage.
the cost factor of the 8000 makes it really hard to imagine buying for a guitar rig, and not anything else, but like zach said, it is limitless--well only by one's imagination and ability to program it--- and sorta the ultimate effects device in terms of power and flexibility.
the lag factor can be avoided if you use the virtual rack and cc things on and off--never having to leave the preset and therefore not waiting to reload algorithms.
ps-
need some prayer for a friend who got hurt in a freak accident-we were shooting for nat geo tv show in MT this week and he and his camera/tripod got thrown by an extremely aggressive bull, about 8 feet in the air, totally flipped upside down, and landed on his head, cracking C5/7 and fracturing C6. he's been my friend for 25 years and a super great guy. long road ahead.
peace
Shark Diver":kmnewwn4 said:mentoneman":kmnewwn4 said:i agree with zach that you don't buy gear initially to make it work for the audience. initially. but for me as i go down the road i make decisions that best suit me on stage in the moment, and secondarily the audience and how they perceive my sounds.
the two note stuff seems to be a great way to eliminate the mic position/mic type/speaker variable to the house so i'd get that item just for consistency to the FOH. it wouldn't be so much for my sake and what i hear onstage.
the cost factor of the 8000 makes it really hard to imagine buying for a guitar rig, and not anything else, but like zach said, it is limitless--well only by one's imagination and ability to program it--- and sorta the ultimate effects device in terms of power and flexibility.
the lag factor can be avoided if you use the virtual rack and cc things on and off--never having to leave the preset and therefore not waiting to reload algorithms.
ps-
need some prayer for a friend who got hurt in a freak accident-we were shooting for nat geo tv show in MT this week and he and his camera/tripod got thrown by an extremely aggressive bull, about 8 feet in the air, totally flipped upside down, and landed on his head, cracking C5/7 and fracturing C6. he's been my friend for 25 years and a super great guy. long road ahead.
peace
The thing I like best about playing is the TONE, but the 3 degrees of separation becomes less and less important to me as the years go by.![]()
thanks man-i'm in the same boat but the exception is that i play in one place, can leave things like 4x12 there, and my setup is 10 minutes with my rig-Shark Diver":206egc2l said:Really sorry about your friend. Prayers
I wasnt saying I buy gear for the audience. But after years of hauling around a $25K plus rig I find myself noticing that it just creates too many issues with hauling, setting up, stage space, etc. And then you can never turn it up anyway, lol. The thing I like best about playing is the TONE, but the 3 degrees of separation becomes less and less important to me as the years go by.![]()
(Still have that RJM mixer if you want to try it out)
italoop":k43sjy2d said:I see this kind of post (Axe vs. H8000) everywhere on the web.
It's amazing how so many "posters" are interested in this question and none of the people answering never had both for a real comparison. Actually they have/had an Axe but never an H8000.
So...the whole point about replying is just silly.
You know both, you have a meaningful word. You don't... silence is a good option.
Now...
being an again and again poppin' up post makes me think there's something behind this; maybe I'm speculating but I have good reasons for it and I won't discuss it here.
The Axe... you need an "everything" simulator and are happy with its sound? Fine... go get it and live with that.
The effects... this is a different story. Comparing the original with a wanna be makes no sense. 90% of the Axe fx are copied off the EVentides, right away. They DO NOT sound like the original; they will always be a copy. So the original IS the original.
The platform openness... if you have a desire for understanding/creating/modifying the core structure/logic of any effecct or complex network of them, there's nothing like a 2U Eventide for that.
That's where you learn, build YOUR OWN UNIQUE thing different from any other unit or even from the next Eventide user!
It's about the mechanics of things you are presented there and you can access IF you want/need/like. You do not have to get into that if you don't need. 2000 presets are more than most average users would need in a lifetime. But it's good to know you have access to that kind of freedom and depths.
So... find your way with truth, not churchish words. Sit with both and some generous time for a good test and use EARS!
I have done it, as I was VERY, VERY curious about the Axe. And I know what I have heard and felt.
There are no effects devices in the present market you can put close to an H-series.
In terms of quality and "niceness"? Yes there are a bunch...but odd enough they are all from the past... not even in production anymore.
THAT'S what I would ask myself! Why we've got to this point with so much knowledge and technology and so little overall quality across what you can buy?
If you are old enough you can understand this. If you've come to this gtr world in the last 10 yrs, well...most of those don't have the faintest idea on what I'm talking about.
IR is a joke...and I see it often turning into IDIOTIC REPLY.
CaptainCrunch":vt8tq13x said:italoop":vt8tq13x said:I see this kind of post (Axe vs. H8000) everywhere on the web.
It's amazing how so many "posters" are interested in this question and none of the people answering never had both for a real comparison. Actually they have/had an Axe but never an H8000.
So...the whole point about replying is just silly.
You know both, you have a meaningful word. You don't... silence is a good option.
Now...
being an again and again poppin' up post makes me think there's something behind this; maybe I'm speculating but I have good reasons for it and I won't discuss it here.
The Axe... you need an "everything" simulator and are happy with its sound? Fine... go get it and live with that.
The effects... this is a different story. Comparing the original with a wanna be makes no sense. 90% of the Axe fx are copied off the EVentides, right away. They DO NOT sound like the original; they will always be a copy. So the original IS the original.
The platform openness... if you have a desire for understanding/creating/modifying the core structure/logic of any effecct or complex network of them, there's nothing like a 2U Eventide for that.
That's where you learn, build YOUR OWN UNIQUE thing different from any other unit or even from the next Eventide user!
It's about the mechanics of things you are presented there and you can access IF you want/need/like. You do not have to get into that if you don't need. 2000 presets are more than most average users would need in a lifetime. But it's good to know you have access to that kind of freedom and depths.
So... find your way with truth, not churchish words. Sit with both and some generous time for a good test and use EARS!
I have done it, as I was VERY, VERY curious about the Axe. And I know what I have heard and felt.
There are no effects devices in the present market you can put close to an H-series.
In terms of quality and "niceness"? Yes there are a bunch...but odd enough they are all from the past... not even in production anymore.
THAT'S what I would ask myself! Why we've got to this point with so much knowledge and technology and so little overall quality across what you can buy?
If you are old enough you can understand this. If you've come to this gtr world in the last 10 yrs, well...most of those don't have the faintest idea on what I'm talking about.
IR is a joke...and I see it often turning into IDIOTIC REPLY.
My post was an honest one. Nevertheless, I just bought an h8000fw and it came in yesterday and I'm blown away. The sound is unbelievable.