AXE FX 2 vs. Eventide H800 or 7600

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Man With Gas":3jk8ojzv said:
I have a H8000a (s /n 666) plus I have a Kemper and I used to own an Axe FX 2 (Yes, all at the same time)


You should change your name to Man with Gear, :)

Man With Gas":3jk8ojzv said:
I appreciate loophead's frustration about the net and people comparing things without actual hands on experience of all the units in question.
Very few guitarists have personally used or own an Eventide 7600/H8000.

Unfortunately that's the internet.

The only reason I haven't taken the plunge on the H800 is simply the quality of the unit would really be lost in a live application. Plus, I'd probably use 15% of what it can do. That being said if one fell into my lap at $2k I'd have it in my rack ;)
 
Shiny_Surface":18g45xvl said:
BYTOR":18g45xvl said:
Is that Carl? Do you wash his balls? :confused:.... :lol: :LOL:

You don't know who that is being such an Axe Fx fan? :lol: :LOL:


Well I also own a KPA, BE100, CCV, and a Mark V(to name a few.... :D )

I'm a fan of all of these as well, but I don't know what the company owners/inventors look like either :thumbsup:
 
Shark Diver":z8pgfxkg said:
Man With Gas":z8pgfxkg said:
I have a H8000a (s /n 666) plus I have a Kemper and I used to own an Axe FX 2 (Yes, all at the same time)


You should change your name to Man with Gear, :)

Man With Gas":z8pgfxkg said:
I appreciate loophead's frustration about the net and people comparing things without actual hands on experience of all the units in question.
Very few guitarists have personally used or own an Eventide 7600/H8000.

Unfortunately that's the internet.

The only reason I haven't taken the plunge on the H800 is simply the quality of the unit would really be lost in a live application. Plus, I'd probably use 15% of what it can do. That being said if one fell into my lap at $2k I'd have it in my rack ;)

I have found that, re: the unit being lost, in a live application -- this is one area where the unit really shines, especially compared to less powerful choices. Also, when recording live performances, the fidelity is appreciated-- over other choices.

As to your 2nd reason-- that was THE MAIN reason I went w/ the H8000FW. I didn't want to reach the max potential with yet another multi-fx unit, and find myself wanting and needing MORE. That, and-- I got it NEW in 2006, for a GREAT deal!!
 
Zachman":1ehlklvk said:
Shark Diver":1ehlklvk said:
Man With Gas":1ehlklvk said:
I have a H8000a (s /n 666) plus I have a Kemper and I used to own an Axe FX 2 (Yes, all at the same time)


You should change your name to Man with Gear, :)

Man With Gas":1ehlklvk said:
I appreciate loophead's frustration about the net and people comparing things without actual hands on experience of all the units in question.
Very few guitarists have personally used or own an Eventide 7600/H8000.

Unfortunately that's the internet.

The only reason I haven't taken the plunge on the H800 is simply the quality of the unit would really be lost in a live application. Plus, I'd probably use 15% of what it can do. That being said if one fell into my lap at $2k I'd have it in my rack ;)

I have found that, re: the unit being lost, in a live application -- this is one area where the unit really shines, especially compared to less powerful choices. Also, when recording live performances, the fidelity is appreciated-- over other choices.

As to your 2nd reason-- that was THE MAIN reason I went w/ the H8000FW. I didn't want to reach the max potential with yet another multi-fx unit, and find myself wanting and needing MORE. That, and-- I got it NEW in 2006, for a GREAT deal!!

I meant lost on the audience. :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL:

And if I get the deal I will definitely pick one up. :) But in reality, I really don"t use much fx, so it would always be an under used luxury for me :)
 
Shark Diver":1gucjuf4 said:
Zachman":1gucjuf4 said:
Shark Diver":1gucjuf4 said:
Man With Gas":1gucjuf4 said:
I have a H8000a (s /n 666) plus I have a Kemper and I used to own an Axe FX 2 (Yes, all at the same time)


You should change your name to Man with Gear, :)

Man With Gas":1gucjuf4 said:
I appreciate loophead's frustration about the net and people comparing things without actual hands on experience of all the units in question.
Very few guitarists have personally used or own an Eventide 7600/H8000.

Unfortunately that's the internet.

The only reason I haven't taken the plunge on the H800 is simply the quality of the unit would really be lost in a live application. Plus, I'd probably use 15% of what it can do. That being said if one fell into my lap at $2k I'd have it in my rack ;)

I have found that, re: the unit being lost, in a live application -- this is one area where the unit really shines, especially compared to less powerful choices. Also, when recording live performances, the fidelity is appreciated-- over other choices.

As to your 2nd reason-- that was THE MAIN reason I went w/ the H8000FW. I didn't want to reach the max potential with yet another multi-fx unit, and find myself wanting and needing MORE. That, and-- I got it NEW in 2006, for a GREAT deal!!

I meant lost on the audience. :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL:

And if I get the deal I will definitely pick one up. :) But in reality, I really don"t use much fx, so it would always be an under used luxury for me :)


Perhaps, but the way I see it is-- I use what "I want" to get the sounds I want/need to serve up to the audience-- whether or not they perceive things the way that I do-- not withstanding.
 
Rezamatix":1t2y2mc7 said:
Im with Shark Diver. If I could get one for 2K. I would have it...Ebay here I come.


I think you'd dig the PedalPro Reza. :thumbsup:
 
i agree with zach that you don't buy gear initially to make it work for the audience. initially. but for me as i go down the road i make decisions that best suit me on stage in the moment, and secondarily the audience and how they perceive my sounds.

the two note stuff seems to be a great way to eliminate the mic position/mic type/speaker variable to the house so i'd get that item just for consistency to the FOH. it wouldn't be so much for my sake and what i hear onstage.

the cost factor of the 8000 makes it really hard to imagine buying for a guitar rig, and not anything else, but like zach said, it is limitless--well only by one's imagination and ability to program it--- and sorta the ultimate effects device in terms of power and flexibility.

the lag factor can be avoided if you use the virtual rack and cc things on and off--never having to leave the preset and therefore not waiting to reload algorithms.

ps-
need some prayer for a friend who got hurt in a freak accident-we were shooting for nat geo tv show in MT this week and he and his camera/tripod got thrown by an extremely aggressive bull, about 8 feet in the air, totally flipped upside down, and landed on his head, cracking C5/7 and fracturing C6. he's been my friend for 25 years and a super great guy. long road ahead.

peace
 
mentoneman":r60mlhxr said:
i agree with zach that you don't buy gear initially to make it work for the audience. initially. but for me as i go down the road i make decisions that best suit me on stage in the moment, and secondarily the audience and how they perceive my sounds.

the two note stuff seems to be a great way to eliminate the mic position/mic type/speaker variable to the house so i'd get that item just for consistency to the FOH. it wouldn't be so much for my sake and what i hear onstage.

the cost factor of the 8000 makes it really hard to imagine buying for a guitar rig, and not anything else, but like zach said, it is limitless--well only by one's imagination and ability to program it--- and sorta the ultimate effects device in terms of power and flexibility.

the lag factor can be avoided if you use the virtual rack and cc things on and off--never having to leave the preset and therefore not waiting to reload algorithms.

ps-
need some prayer for a friend who got hurt in a freak accident-we were shooting for nat geo tv show in MT this week and he and his camera/tripod got thrown by an extremely aggressive bull, about 8 feet in the air, totally flipped upside down, and landed on his head, cracking C5/7 and fracturing C6. he's been my friend for 25 years and a super great guy. long road ahead.

peace

Aloha Pat,

OUCH, sorry to hear about your friend. Glad you're okay. whew... Prayers sent

Admitting I am a strong head-case, when it comes to gear/tone, I advocate 1st, having the tools to choose appropriately from, for the situation at hand-- which clearly you do.
 
mentoneman":3fe69nfm said:
i agree with zach that you don't buy gear initially to make it work for the audience. initially. but for me as i go down the road i make decisions that best suit me on stage in the moment, and secondarily the audience and how they perceive my sounds.

the two note stuff seems to be a great way to eliminate the mic position/mic type/speaker variable to the house so i'd get that item just for consistency to the FOH. it wouldn't be so much for my sake and what i hear onstage.

the cost factor of the 8000 makes it really hard to imagine buying for a guitar rig, and not anything else, but like zach said, it is limitless--well only by one's imagination and ability to program it--- and sorta the ultimate effects device in terms of power and flexibility.

the lag factor can be avoided if you use the virtual rack and cc things on and off--never having to leave the preset and therefore not waiting to reload algorithms.

ps-
need some prayer for a friend who got hurt in a freak accident-we were shooting for nat geo tv show in MT this week and he and his camera/tripod got thrown by an extremely aggressive bull, about 8 feet in the air, totally flipped upside down, and landed on his head, cracking C5/7 and fracturing C6. he's been my friend for 25 years and a super great guy. long road ahead.

peace


Really sorry about your friend. Prayers

I wasnt saying I buy gear for the audience. But after years of hauling around a $25K plus rig I find myself noticing that it just creates too many issues with hauling, setting up, stage space, etc. And then you can never turn it up anyway, lol. The thing I like best about playing is the TONE, but the 3 degrees of separation becomes less and less important to me as the years go by. :)

(Still have that RJM mixer if you want to try it out)
 
Shark Diver":kmnewwn4 said:
mentoneman":kmnewwn4 said:
i agree with zach that you don't buy gear initially to make it work for the audience. initially. but for me as i go down the road i make decisions that best suit me on stage in the moment, and secondarily the audience and how they perceive my sounds.

the two note stuff seems to be a great way to eliminate the mic position/mic type/speaker variable to the house so i'd get that item just for consistency to the FOH. it wouldn't be so much for my sake and what i hear onstage.

the cost factor of the 8000 makes it really hard to imagine buying for a guitar rig, and not anything else, but like zach said, it is limitless--well only by one's imagination and ability to program it--- and sorta the ultimate effects device in terms of power and flexibility.

the lag factor can be avoided if you use the virtual rack and cc things on and off--never having to leave the preset and therefore not waiting to reload algorithms.

ps-
need some prayer for a friend who got hurt in a freak accident-we were shooting for nat geo tv show in MT this week and he and his camera/tripod got thrown by an extremely aggressive bull, about 8 feet in the air, totally flipped upside down, and landed on his head, cracking C5/7 and fracturing C6. he's been my friend for 25 years and a super great guy. long road ahead.

peace



The thing I like best about playing is the TONE, but the 3 degrees of separation becomes less and less important to me as the years go by. :)

I attribute this, as the result of experience, to being able to get more mileage out of gear than the old days, by milking it for all it's worth, and knowing what to choose-- to fit the bill.

Heck, I've done shows w/ a Line6 Flextone3, and had guys in disbelief. Definitely WAY easier to transport etc...
 
Shark Diver":206egc2l said:
Really sorry about your friend. Prayers

I wasnt saying I buy gear for the audience. But after years of hauling around a $25K plus rig I find myself noticing that it just creates too many issues with hauling, setting up, stage space, etc. And then you can never turn it up anyway, lol. The thing I like best about playing is the TONE, but the 3 degrees of separation becomes less and less important to me as the years go by. :)

(Still have that RJM mixer if you want to try it out)
thanks man-i'm in the same boat but the exception is that i play in one place, can leave things like 4x12 there, and my setup is 10 minutes with my rig-
one cable from gtr to pedal rig-cable from pedals out to head in-hotplate line out to gforce in mono-mono out to wet tech 21 power engine cab

furman strip everything plugs into. my only variables are making sure i always start with dry cab volume first--no wet--with all my patches, and then creep in the wets. whenever i veer from that one simple process i have a erratic or lame tone night.

set dry volume first!!!!!

and thanks again for the mixer offer--may still take you up on it to compare quality, but i got an old rocktron rack interface with 1 in/6 out splitter and 2 x 4 stereo mixer, stereo XLR DI outs, headphone jack, VCA volume circuit, wah circuit, switchable buffer, cab sim...this thing was WAY ahead of it's time!
 
I see this kind of post (Axe vs. H8000) everywhere on the web.
It's amazing how so many "posters" are interested in this question and none of the people answering never had both for a real comparison. Actually they have/had an Axe but never an H8000.
So...the whole point about replying is just silly.
You know both, you have a meaningful word. You don't... silence is a good option.

Now...
being an again and again poppin' up post makes me think there's something behind this; maybe I'm speculating but I have good reasons for it and I won't discuss it here.

The Axe... you need an "everything" simulator and are happy with its sound? Fine... go get it and live with that.
The effects... this is a different story. Comparing the original with a wanna be makes no sense. 90% of the Axe fx are copied off the EVentides, right away. They DO NOT sound like the original; they will always be a copy. So the original IS the original.
The platform openness... if you have a desire for understanding/creating/modifying the core structure/logic of any effecct or complex network of them, there's nothing like a 2U Eventide for that.
That's where you learn, build YOUR OWN UNIQUE thing different from any other unit or even from the next Eventide user!
It's about the mechanics of things you are presented there and you can access IF you want/need/like. You do not have to get into that if you don't need. 2000 presets are more than most average users would need in a lifetime. But it's good to know you have access to that kind of freedom and depths.

So... find your way with truth, not churchish words. Sit with both and some generous time for a good test and use EARS!
I have done it, as I was VERY, VERY curious about the Axe. And I know what I have heard and felt.
There are no effects devices in the present market you can put close to an H-series.
In terms of quality and "niceness"? Yes there are a bunch...but odd enough they are all from the past... not even in production anymore.
THAT'S what I would ask myself! Why we've got to this point with so much knowledge and technology and so little overall quality across what you can buy?
If you are old enough you can understand this. If you've come to this gtr world in the last 10 yrs, well...most of those don't have the faintest idea on what I'm talking about.

IR is a joke...and I see it often turning into IDIOTIC REPLY.
 
italoop":k43sjy2d said:
I see this kind of post (Axe vs. H8000) everywhere on the web.
It's amazing how so many "posters" are interested in this question and none of the people answering never had both for a real comparison. Actually they have/had an Axe but never an H8000.
So...the whole point about replying is just silly.
You know both, you have a meaningful word. You don't... silence is a good option.

Now...
being an again and again poppin' up post makes me think there's something behind this; maybe I'm speculating but I have good reasons for it and I won't discuss it here.

The Axe... you need an "everything" simulator and are happy with its sound? Fine... go get it and live with that.
The effects... this is a different story. Comparing the original with a wanna be makes no sense. 90% of the Axe fx are copied off the EVentides, right away. They DO NOT sound like the original; they will always be a copy. So the original IS the original.
The platform openness... if you have a desire for understanding/creating/modifying the core structure/logic of any effecct or complex network of them, there's nothing like a 2U Eventide for that.
That's where you learn, build YOUR OWN UNIQUE thing different from any other unit or even from the next Eventide user!
It's about the mechanics of things you are presented there and you can access IF you want/need/like. You do not have to get into that if you don't need. 2000 presets are more than most average users would need in a lifetime. But it's good to know you have access to that kind of freedom and depths.

So... find your way with truth, not churchish words. Sit with both and some generous time for a good test and use EARS!
I have done it, as I was VERY, VERY curious about the Axe. And I know what I have heard and felt.
There are no effects devices in the present market you can put close to an H-series.
In terms of quality and "niceness"? Yes there are a bunch...but odd enough they are all from the past... not even in production anymore.
THAT'S what I would ask myself! Why we've got to this point with so much knowledge and technology and so little overall quality across what you can buy?
If you are old enough you can understand this. If you've come to this gtr world in the last 10 yrs, well...most of those don't have the faintest idea on what I'm talking about.

IR is a joke...and I see it often turning into IDIOTIC REPLY.

My post was an honest one. Nevertheless, I just bought an h8000fw and it came in yesterday and I'm blown away. The sound is unbelievable.
 
CaptainCrunch":vt8tq13x said:
italoop":vt8tq13x said:
I see this kind of post (Axe vs. H8000) everywhere on the web.
It's amazing how so many "posters" are interested in this question and none of the people answering never had both for a real comparison. Actually they have/had an Axe but never an H8000.
So...the whole point about replying is just silly.
You know both, you have a meaningful word. You don't... silence is a good option.

Now...
being an again and again poppin' up post makes me think there's something behind this; maybe I'm speculating but I have good reasons for it and I won't discuss it here.

The Axe... you need an "everything" simulator and are happy with its sound? Fine... go get it and live with that.
The effects... this is a different story. Comparing the original with a wanna be makes no sense. 90% of the Axe fx are copied off the EVentides, right away. They DO NOT sound like the original; they will always be a copy. So the original IS the original.
The platform openness... if you have a desire for understanding/creating/modifying the core structure/logic of any effecct or complex network of them, there's nothing like a 2U Eventide for that.
That's where you learn, build YOUR OWN UNIQUE thing different from any other unit or even from the next Eventide user!
It's about the mechanics of things you are presented there and you can access IF you want/need/like. You do not have to get into that if you don't need. 2000 presets are more than most average users would need in a lifetime. But it's good to know you have access to that kind of freedom and depths.

So... find your way with truth, not churchish words. Sit with both and some generous time for a good test and use EARS!
I have done it, as I was VERY, VERY curious about the Axe. And I know what I have heard and felt.
There are no effects devices in the present market you can put close to an H-series.
In terms of quality and "niceness"? Yes there are a bunch...but odd enough they are all from the past... not even in production anymore.
THAT'S what I would ask myself! Why we've got to this point with so much knowledge and technology and so little overall quality across what you can buy?
If you are old enough you can understand this. If you've come to this gtr world in the last 10 yrs, well...most of those don't have the faintest idea on what I'm talking about.

IR is a joke...and I see it often turning into IDIOTIC REPLY.

My post was an honest one. Nevertheless, I just bought an h8000fw and it came in yesterday and I'm blown away. The sound is unbelievable.


:thumbsup: Congrats. Welcome to the club
 
I believe on Eventide's website they call the H8000FW "guitar friendly," which it is considering you can plug a guitar straight in. But Eventide's standards are a little different than everybody else's. Look at what else they build: avionics equipment; this isn't a field where standards and quality are taken lightly. That should say something about the quality and complexity of their products right there! So why don't more famous guitarists use the H8000FW? Because they understand the meaning of overkill.

Having said that, I applaud any guitarist who really knows how to use the H8000FW. :thumbsup:
 
Did not know the effects in the Axe-Fx were copies :confused: I see a potential for a lot of FW updates to make it "better" or are 2 extra shark processors needed? OH I hear the new III coming. :lol: :LOL:

I agree with the use your own ears statement, the vote with your wallet statement and the IR is a joke statement.
 
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