AXE FX 2 vs. Eventide H800 or 7600

[loophead]

Good for you Z.
Thats the sensible choice.

Prior to your second edit that is.

edited as continuity has changed.

 

[richardt4520]

The H8000 is a arguably the finest sounding effects unit ever made and absolutely the most power ever handed to the user.

THIS. Until you've used one you really don't know what you're missing. I've never heard anything in my life-plugin, hardware, or otherwise, that came anywhere near sounding as beautiful, clean, and amazing as this box. And it wasn't a subtle difference. It's not going to get you great amp tones though. That's not what it's for.

 

[snowdog]

Sounds like that longwinded genius Luke is back.

 

[dallasb]

I think the Axe is cool. I have their products (MCF Ultra and former Standard) so they got plenty of my cash.

Just curious, you sold the Axe II but kept the Ultra? Was it a money thing or sound?

Moolah! Didn't need 3 lol. I bought a Kemper. Needed more amp cab sounds from my own gear. It fit the bill nicely. After trying them all, the Kemper is the amp machine imo. Still have the others so I'm good there.

I've worked with so many Eventide units before, both live and in the studios. I'll never get on board suggesting the Axe Fx or Kemper is on par with those standard H series units for effects. There is a major difference and the Eventides are so much more pure in sound. The Axe effects are nice, but lets not get too carried away like so many fanbois seem to do as easily.

 

[Shark Diver]

I agree that these are apples and oranges. Different intended uses and different price points.

I ended up getting a Pedalpro because it fit my live guitar needs - simple kick ass analog guitar fx, yet programable.

I had an Eclipse and didn't really dig it as stand alone fx unit for guitar. For me, as Reza stated, it had too much lag, though using a mixer fixes that issue for the most part. But ultimately it was too transparent. I personally like how a 2290 or PCM70 colors my tone. But, if I used pitch shifting more I'd pickup an Eclipse tomorrow for live guitar.

If I needed a huge variety, stand alone I'd get an Axe FX II.

If I wanted the best studio grade fx I could get I'd get a H800.

It isn't really X vs Y until you decide what your ultimate end goal is. Then if you are comparing like products it can be intelligently compared.

 

[zentman]

I think the Axe is cool. I have their products (MCF Ultra and former Standard) so they got plenty of my cash.

Just curious, you sold the Axe II but kept the Ultra? Was it a money thing or sound?

Moolah! Didn't need 3 lol. I bought a Kemper. Needed more amp cab sounds from my own gear. It fit the bill nicely. After trying them all, the Kemper is the amp machine imo. Still have the others so I'm good there.

I've worked with so many Eventide units before, both live and in the studios. I'll never get on board suggesting the Axe Fx or Kemper is on par with those standard H series units for effects. There is a major difference and the Eventides are so much more pure in sound. The Axe effects are nice, but lets not get too carried away like so many fanbois seem to do as easily.

Thanks man. Do you have some clips of your studio work with the Eventide? Would be nice to hear what you're saying as well as read it.

 

[mentoneman]

I have to disagree with you DominiK.
And understand this is not aimed at you in any way but at the general Axe community.

The H8000 is a arguably the finest sounding effects unit ever made and absolutely the most power ever handed to the user. The Axe is a pretender not only as an amp but as an effects box. If you listen with your ears instead of someone else's mouth you will hear for yourself that these two items are not in the same league. Those that claim with lemming foolishness or intended misdirection notwithstanding.
Anyone who actually compares these units can not claim otherwise without lying. One is lush the other cartoonish. I understand that his 'flaw' may in fact be a benefit to some.

I dont care what anyone uses.

The 'this tool vs that tool' argument is old and tired but I have had enough of the axe is as good as an Eventide argument. For some time I've just let it go. Fools talking to fools... However it is not fools talking to fools. Its really liars talking to potential fools isn't it.

These items ARE NOT EQUIVALENT IN ANY MANNER. Use YOUR OWN EARS or be a fool.
Those who started this at the companies website were called out and some actually made the comparison and stated that they were wrong and that these items are in truth NOT in the same league after all - woohh what a surprise! I'm shocked ! Really, is it possible - 'say it ain't so Joe!'

Sorry guys but Your fuckin 'behringer' is NOT a NEVE ! Get it? I dont care how loud you wish it were it is NOT. Get past it. Have fun with YOUR choice and shut the fuck up about everything else. Again I do not care what wrench you fix your toilet with. Just STOP LYING.

To the OP are you looking for sim or Fx? Both- go get an Eventide and Kemper.
Any direct question? Your shooting too wide here.

are all eventide guys this way?

 

[kloppsta]

What id love to see from mr eventide is cold hard technical facts that prove an eventide is a bentley and an axe fx is a cartoon. You make these statements like they are fact, so prove it! You say you worked for eventide (biased much?!) so u should have access to the "proof" if it even exists. Otherwise all your statements mean nothing. Its all just relative to the beholder and horses for courses.

 

[kloppsta]

In my mind the axe is a bugatti veyron, ill take the veyron!

 

[K-mark5]

sooo if I understood correctly, you should not take the axe because it's a fucking cartoonish pretender, but you should definitely grab kemper cause it aint one... mmmkaaay...

 

[kloppsta]

Those vids just confirm that at least for me i would take an axe, power amp, some pedals and a new guitar any day of the week for the price of a single h8000! When u consider the price dif alone it would take one HELL of an argument to sway me the other way

 

[loophead]

What id love to see from mr eventide is cold hard technical facts that prove an eventide is a bentley and an axe fx is a cartoon. You make these statements like they are fact, so prove it! You say you worked for eventide (biased much?!) so u should have access to the "proof" if it even exists. Otherwise all your statements mean nothing. Its all just relative to the beholder and horses for courses.

Prove it? Another who missed the point in its entirety.
For yourself man, for yourself. In your own hands, with your own ears.
Put them side by side and you prove it... for yourself.

The point is YOUR ears should be the proof of anything. Not what someone else claims. Use your ears and actually compare FOR YOURSELF not listening or watching someone else on line. Do you buy guitars this way? Stop being lemmings. Use YOUR judgment. Make an informed choice for yourself. Anyone unwilling to do so is a fool.

I think the fanboys should stop trying to choose for others in some misguided effort to fill your own emptiness. It shows. Its transparent. You look incompetent by doing so. Offering YOUR findings, your experience and outcome can be very helpful. Do you see the difference? There is no need to exaggerate to the point of idiocy! It shows. Its transparent. You look incompetent doing so.

Not sure why that is hard to understand.

I dont care what anyones choice is. I get to choose for myself. I'm just tired of the idiot statements which inherently belie the truth. And what you choose and for what reasons you choose it is for you. Others will have other choices and other reasons.

Is this really too much to get?

 

[loophead]

sooo if I understood correctly, you should not take the axe because it's a fucking cartoonish pretender, but you should definitely grab kemper cause it aint one... mmmkaaay...

What I said was that the the Axe was not an Eventide. Those who claim it is in the same league have not sat down with both together or are purposely lying.

Re the Kemper - Sorry do I need to 'emoticon' so you get the joke?

I understand on line stuff comes of harsher then intended, mea culpa.

 

[BYTOR]

I see poophead is still trolling.......

 

[Zachman]

???

"I" figure, if you're wanting to compare the Axe 2, to the Eventides, you're primarily focusing on FX?? Assuming that is correct, H8000FW ftw-- strictly based on sonic results.

As to a cost/benefit analysis... Budgets do tend to dictate the course.

If you're flying all over the place and transporting your gear, or getting to your gigs in a cab or on a subway etc... AND carting it all yourself, CLEARLY a small setup is easier. Easier though, doesn't necessarily equate to sounds better, or even as good-- though it may-- depending on what kind of results one requires/expects.

A couple of months ago, a friend came into my shop w/ his Axe-FX rig, setup his stuff and was going through his sounds w/ one of the guys at the shop. I overheard him say to my employee that he used to have 'all that stuff', pointing at my rig-- and said that he replaced it all w/ the Axe. Fair enough... The guy had a nice Petrucci guitar, and I powered up the rig, and asked him to plug in w/ his guitar. He did, and after strumming 2 chords, and playing a short riff-- he stopped playing turned to look at me, and said (with a sense of real perspective), "The Axe doesn't do THAT!" He was correct, it doesn't. It is a nice piece of equipment, but IS different.

 

[Shiny_Surface]

Get the Axe-II , plenty of pros are using it to replace 95% of their effects(Lifeson,Vai, Petrucci etc...).

These guys could obviously use anything they want.

You will have a blast with the amp tones as well if you choose to use them.

poophead is obviously a troll

I see poophead is still trolling.......

Ballwasher? (as Carl would say)

 

[Shark Diver]

? "The Axe doesn't do THAT!"

Well, in all fairness nobody's rig does that You have the ultimate Rig-Talk rig.

 

[Man With Gas]

I have a H8000a (s /n 666) plus I have a Kemper and I used to own an Axe FX 2 (Yes, all at the same time)

Just to re-clarify we are talking about FX only and if we are the H8000a is light years ahead of the Axe FX 2 in terms of sound quality, NO contest whatsoever.
If you actually own a H8000a you would totally agree.

Is the Axe FX good enough for guitar players? Of course it is.
Is the Axe FX 10 times easier to program by the general guitar player than the Eventide H8000? Yes it is
Does the Eventide have far more in it than the general guitar player can comprehend? Yes it does

I appreciate loophead's frustration about the net and people comparing things without actual hands on experience of all the units in question.
Very few guitarists have personally used or own an Eventide 7600/H8000.

Regardless of what anybody thinks about loophead you would be very surprised to know of his professional hands on experience & contribution
in the audio effects field. If you did you would be showing him a different level of attention and respect.

 

[BYTOR]

Get the Axe-II , plenty of pros are using it to replace 95% of their effects(Lifeson,Vai, Petrucci etc...).

These guys could obviously use anything they want.

You will have a blast with the amp tones as well if you choose to use them.

poophead is obviously a troll

I see poophead is still trolling.......

Ballwasher? (as Carl would say)

Is that Carl? Do you wash his balls? ....

 

[Zachman]

I have a H8000a (s /n 666) plus I have a Kemper and I used to own an Axe FX 2 (Yes, all at the same time)

Just to re-clarify we are talking about FX only and if we are the H8000a is light years ahead of the Axe FX 2 in terms of sound quality, NO contest whatsoever.
If you actually own a H8000a you would totally agree.

Is the Axe FX good enough for guitar players? Of course it is.
Is the Axe FX 10 times easier to program by the general guitar player than the Eventide H8000? Yes it is
Does the Eventide have far more in it than the general guitar player can comprehend? Yes it does

I appreciate loophead's frustration about the net and people comparing things without actual hands on experience of all the units in question.
Very few guitarists have personally used or own an Eventide 7600/H8000.

Regardless of what anybody thinks about loophead you would be very surprised to know of his professional hands on experience & contribution
in the audio effects field. If you did you would be showing him a different level of attention and respect.