Axe-FX - Cab Sim?

[amiller]

OK, I guess I've just had blinders on regarding the Axe-FX and cab sims. I've been reading all of the threads and listening to all the clips focusing in on the amp modelling.

Am I to understand that the Axe-Fx can do cab sims like a Palmer simulator can? If so, what's the basic setup?

 

[Gainfreak]

The Axe-FX has built in cab sims for the amp models so that you can use them for direct recording or going direct to the FOH.

With that said, you can use the Cab Sims with your amp privided that you load down your head and send the signal to the Axe-FX. I believe Ed does this and posted a clip of him doing that with his flexi.

 

[squealie]

For those who havent moved up to 6.0....

The new cab sims are a marked improvement in the beefy 4x12 dept. Esp. the 'hires' (high resolution) versions. Less buzz, more wallop.

 

[amiller]

The Axe-FX has built in cab sims for the amp models so that you can use them for direct recording or going direct to the FOH.

With that said, you can use the Cab Sims with your amp privided that you load down your head and send the signal to the Axe-FX. I believe Ed does this and posted a clip of him doing that with his flexi.

Yeah, I sort of got that Ed was doing this but I wanted to get some clarification. Also, I'm not sure how you "load" down the head and feed the Axe-Fx.

Maybe Ed will chime in here and spoon feed my thick head the details.

 

[Sacha]

You still need a load on your head that a speaker cabinet would normally provide, the Axe doesn't do this, something like the Hot Plate can do it and the Palmer can do it as well.

The Axe-FX has built in cab sims for the amp models so that you can use them for direct recording or going direct to the FOH.

With that said, you can use the Cab Sims with your amp privided that you load down your head and send the signal to the Axe-FX. I believe Ed does this and posted a clip of him doing that with his flexi.

Yeah, I sort of got that Ed was doing this but I wanted to get some clarification. Also, I'm not sure how you "load" down the head and feed the Axe-Fx.

Maybe Ed will chime in here and spoon feed my thick head the details.

 

[Gainfreak]

The Axe-FX has built in cab sims for the amp models so that you can use them for direct recording or going direct to the FOH.

With that said, you can use the Cab Sims with your amp privided that you load down your head and send the signal to the Axe-FX. I believe Ed does this and posted a clip of him doing that with his flexi.

Yeah, I sort of got that Ed was doing this but I wanted to get some clarification. Also, I'm not sure how you "load" down the head and feed the Axe-Fx.

Maybe Ed will chime in here and spoon feed my thick head the details.

You would use either a hot plate set on load and then take the signal off of the hotplate and feed that into the AXE-FX or if your amp has a direct out you could take that o/p and send it to the AXE-FX provided it was hooked up to a cab or hotplate.

 

[amiller]

The Axe-FX has built in cab sims for the amp models so that you can use them for direct recording or going direct to the FOH.

With that said, you can use the Cab Sims with your amp privided that you load down your head and send the signal to the Axe-FX. I believe Ed does this and posted a clip of him doing that with his flexi.

Yeah, I sort of got that Ed was doing this but I wanted to get some clarification. Also, I'm not sure how you "load" down the head and feed the Axe-Fx.

Maybe Ed will chime in here and spoon feed my thick head the details.

You would use either a hot plate set on load and then take the signal off of the hotplate and feed that into the AXE-FX or if your amp has a direct out you could take that o/p and send it to the AXE-FX provided it was hooked up to a cab or hotplate.

Hmmm...I've got a Dr. Z Airbreak and it doesn't have a "load" setting ... just varying levels of volume. My XTC doesn't have a direct out. I'd hate to have to buy a Hotplate just to load down the head.

 

[Gainfreak]

Hmmm...I've got a Dr. Z Airbreak and it doesn't have a "load" setting ... just varying levels of volume. My XTC doesn't have a direct out. I'd hate to have to buy a Hotplate just to load down the head.

Does the XTC have a loop? You can take the signal from the effects loops send although it will only be the preamp being captured.

The hotplate or dummy load is usually used to silence the amp so that its not blaring in the room when you are trying to get the signal going to the axe-fx or it is used to capture the preamp and power section of your amp if you don't have a direct out.
If you are able to get a decent sound at low volumes then you might not even need the load. You could just have the amp in another room though a cab at a decent volume and then take the effects send and send that signal to the axe-fx.

 

[amiller]

Hmmm...I've got a Dr. Z Airbreak and it doesn't have a "load" setting ... just varying levels of volume. My XTC doesn't have a direct out. I'd hate to have to buy a Hotplate just to load down the head.

Does the XTC have a loop? You can take the signal from the effects loops send although it will only be the preamp being captured.

The hotplate or dummy load is usually used to silence the amp so that its not blaring in the room when you are trying to get the signal going to the axe-fx or it is used to capture the preamp and power section of your amp if you don't have a direct out.
If you are able to get a decent sound at low volumes then you might not even need the load. You could just have the amp in another room though a cab at a decent volume and then take the effects send and send that signal to the axe-fx.

Now that is doable. I've got a seperate room for my speaker cab. Volume is not an issue...I usually have my amp set pretty loud when I direct it to my "isolation" room.

 

[Zer0th]

Also of interest, perhaps:

The Axe uses impulse responses for speaker/cab simulation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impulse_response

On the Axe you can load user-defined cab/speaker impulses. I believe Ed G sent a couple of his speakers to Jay (IR whizz on the Fractal board) to produce custom IR's.
IR subforum

To illustrate the power of IR's to characterise sound, check out this recording of a Strat played through the Axe using a user-loaded IR of an acoustic guitar.

There used to be loads of these user IR's on the Axechange website... but it's currently being worked over because of the release of version 6.0 of the firmware.
http://www.axechange.net/

 

[Gainfreak]

Also of interest, perhaps:

The Axe uses impulse responses for speaker/cab simulation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impulse_response

On the Axe you can load user-defined cab/speaker impulses. I believe Ed G sent a couple of his speakers to Jay (IR whizz on the Fractal board) to produce custom IR's.
IR subforum

To illustrate the power of IR's to characterise sound, check out this recording of a Strat played through the Axe using a user-loaded IR of an acoustic guitar.

There used to be loads of these user IR's on the Axechange website... but it's currently being worked over because of the release of version 6.0 of the firmware.
http://www.axechange.net/

Holy crap! That strat acoustic clip just knocked my teeth in!

 

[Zer0th]

Java's got an even better one, somewhere, using two cabs but I couldn't find it...

No doubt the patch/user-IR will be up on Axechange soon.

 

[degenaro]

Java's got an even better one, somewhere, using two cabs but I couldn't find it...

No doubt the patch/user-IR will be up on Axechange soon.

Jay's IR's need to be re=processed for the Hi-rez stuff. That said Cliff put Jay's version of the Golds and 65s I lent Jay to capture in already.

As for the load...use your Airbrake just dial it way down, for a line-out the cost effective thing is like a DI between the heas and attenuator for a line out. Used Redbox with the speaker sim shut off is a good choice. That is unless your head has a line-out.

 

[squealie]

Holy crap! That strat acoustic clip just knocked my teeth in!

Yeah, I'm anxiously waiting for that in 1024 myself.

 

[Zer0th]

I found the twin cab sample.

Again, bog standard strat, single coil.

 

[amiller]

Java's got an even better one, somewhere, using two cabs but I couldn't find it...

No doubt the patch/user-IR will be up on Axechange soon.

Jay's IR's need to be re=processed for the Hi-rez stuff. That said Cliff put Jay's version of the Golds and 65s I lent Jay to capture in already.

As for the load...use your Airbrake just dial it way down, for a line-out the cost effective thing is like a DI between the heas and attenuator for a line out. Used Redbox with the speaker sim shut off is a good choice. That is unless your head has a line-out.

Ed, what about the idea of just connecting a cab as usual and using the amps loop send to feed the Axe-Fx?

 

[degenaro]

Java's got an even better one, somewhere, using two cabs but I couldn't find it...

No doubt the patch/user-IR will be up on Axechange soon.

Jay's IR's need to be re=processed for the Hi-rez stuff. That said Cliff put Jay's version of the Golds and 65s I lent Jay to capture in already.

As for the load...use your Airbrake just dial it way down, for a line-out the cost effective thing is like a DI between the heas and attenuator for a line out. Used Redbox with the speaker sim shut off is a good choice. That is unless your head has a line-out.

Ed, what about the idea of just connecting a cab as usual and using the amps loop send to feed the Axe-Fx?

If it's an amp where the power section doesn't add much to the tone...no problem.

 

[amiller]

Ed, what about the idea of just connecting a cab as usual and using the amps loop send to feed the Axe-Fx?

If it's an amp where the power section doesn't add much to the tone...no problem.

The amp is an XTC 101b.

 

[degenaro]

Ed, what about the idea of just connecting a cab as usual and using the amps loop send to feed the Axe-Fx?

If it's an amp where the power section doesn't add much to the tone...no problem.

The amp is an XTC 101b.

It certainly will sound btter with the power section added. I thought the AIrbrake can be modded for a line-out...

 

[amiller]

It certainly will sound btter with the power section added. I thought the AIrbrake can be modded for a line-out...

Hmmm...that would be great.

Anybody know if the Airbrake can be modded for a line-out and what's involved?