Badass Players With Shitty Vibratos, Vibrato Snobs, & More

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I've been into watching a lot of youtube players lately. There are so many talented players on the net that it's dizzying. However, I've noticed a few common annoyances. There are guys who otherwise play with fantastic technique, timing, and phrasing, but they hit a vibrato and it sounds like shit. How the fuck does someone get their technique down so well and be so musically gifted only to ruin it all with shitty vibratos and bending?

Then there are those Eric Clapton dudes who think the vibrato is everything. I'll concede that Clapton had a great vibrato, but unless you're some weirdo, you're not going to sit around waiting for that part of a solo where he hits a minute long vibrato. Oh yeah, and those guys who are like "Fuck you! Paul Kossoff had the greatest vibrato in the world." fucking baffle me. I'll concede that I've heard Kossoff do some tasty shit, but how the hell do they figure his unsteady vibrato was somehow the greatest? Funny thing is most of those dudes like to bash Yngwie who AT LEAST has an even, well-timed vibrato and actually bends to pitch.

On the other end of the spectrum are the gifted jazz players who do that damned left-right sliding vibrato thing that essentially sounds like no vibrato at all. They sit there wiggling their finger side to side and nothing happens to the stinking note. Some of those dues do like that exaggerated Greg Howe thing where they slide wildly left and right until they figure out what they're going to play next. I fucking hate that. Very few jazz/fusion guitarists actually use it as an interesting effect. Most of the time it's like a filler. You keep thinking "when is that guy going to click on some fucking distortion?" Then they never do. They just keep playing with some monotone overdrive that they don't even kick in until halfway through the song... eh, well I digress...

Another type are the dudes who have to vibrato every damned note they land on are annoying too. Joe Satriani did an interview where he talked about just sustaining notes and not trying to always hit a vibrato. That was a really good point he made. Satch is a dude who has great taste even if you don't like his style of music. Now there's a dude with a variety of vibrato tehniques and never sounds ill-timed or unsteady.

Lastly, I'll rag on those slop players who pretty much hit and miss a bunch of fast notes and then stop on a vibrato as if they just did something cool. Some dudes actually pick all the notes, but all they do is stop at a vibrato. There's no phrasing to it, just a bunch of "doodlie, doodlie, doodlie, dit, itldoo, itldoo, itldoo, ewee ewee ewee ewee ewee..." phrases running up and down and up and down and landing a vibrato, and again, and again.

I'm no one to bash anyone's technique, but in the least, players should have a vibrato that's in tempo and doesn't go out of pitch (unless tastefully like EVH or something). Players should at least have a couple of different vibratos too. Some guys use the same fucking vibrato on everything.

Hmmf, well that's my rant for tonight. What are your thoughts on the whole vibrato thing?
 
That Guthrie Govan-via-Greg Howe-by-way-of-George Lynch sideways vibrato has become such a fusion cliche now. It was cool when Lynch and DeMartini did it, and also Howe, but now everyone and their Youtube buddy does it because it seems like in order to be one of those "smart" new shredders, that's just what you do. It's not even really used as a vibrato, but more of a cliche phrasing thing in the middle of a line. It's like the new pinch harmonic.
 
Shitty vibrato makes you sound like a shitty player. Poor Kirk Hammet is the best example I can think of. It's what puts your stamp on your playing...put some effort into doing it cool. I dunno.
 
Gary Moore is an excellent example of tasty vibrato.... and everything else actually
Uli is another. A lot of players from the late 60's and 70's usually had decent vibrato. Robbo and Gorham from Lizzy etc.

I strive to have a good one because I'm a mediocre fast player so have to actually try and phrase things with decent vibrato. But I grew up on a steady diet of the above mentioned. Also throw in Angus and Iommi, Blackmore. I agree about the super shred guys who don't do anything tasty with their speed and try to compensate with that big vibrato or bend at the end. Yngwie is a good example of nice vibrato and incredible pitch control on his bends.

I think part of it is that the classic amps from the 60's and 70's when cranked up, or cranked up and boosted just ooze that kind of tone and response that eats up a nice vibrato. A lot of shredder tones in the 80's were so focused on bright distortion for effortless picking definition and not a lot of sweetness or "bloom" that the vibrato kind of went to shit. Or players were just so focused on the new school of speed that the old guys bag wasn't worth drawing on anymore or almost rejected? Just supposing or ruminating on that one.
 
skoora":owki1kp4 said:
Yngwie is a good example of nice vibrato and incredible pitch control on his bends.

Yngwie's vibrato is what makes him a force.
 
squealie":3jcamuok said:
skoora":3jcamuok said:
Yngwie is a good example of nice vibrato and incredible pitch control on his bends.

Yngwie's vibrato is what makes him a force.

and the chest hair
 
squealie":3nd01kr8 said:
skoora":3nd01kr8 said:
Yngwie is a good example of nice vibrato and incredible pitch control on his bends.

Yngwie's vibrato is what makes him a force.

A rising force.
 
SavageRiffer":1a8at0mq said:
Hmmf, well that's my rant for tonight. What are your thoughts on the whole vibrato thing?

Interesting post. I have the same feeling regarding the vibrato. I like many players but for me Steve Morse is the guy with me most interesting approach to vibrato. He adapts the vibrato type to the song. That's a quite unique approach that I like a lot. His vibrato is amazing also. For some time I've tried to emulate his vibrato, but failed miserably.
 
That Guthrie Govan-via-Greg Howe-by-way-of-George Lynch sideways vibrato has become such a fusion cliche now. It was cool when Lynch and DeMartini did it, and also Howe, but now everyone and their Youtube buddy does it because it seems like in order to be one of those "smart" new shredders, that's just what you do. It's not even really used as a vibrato, but more of a cliche phrasing thing in the middle of a line. It's like the new pinch harmonic.
 
Eric Johnson, who copped Clapton's, is the best for me. That Alien Love Child live record just kills me still.
 
John Sykes has a very distinct vibrato. I love Jimmy Page, but I dislike his vibrato. His is the the same nervous and fast vibrato like Kossoff.
 
Mr. Willy":1ekcr5sf said:
John Sykes has a very distinct vibrato. I love Jimmy Page, but I dislike his vibrato. His is the the same nervous and fast vibrato like Kossoff.

Yep, good example. Strangely enough, Page is one of those players I can still listen to.
 
I've always been drawn to players with good vibrato. It's such a unique form of expression on guitar. I've pretty much ruined fretboards trying to get good vibrato. I still don't have it but it's better than the rest of my playing. One thing a lot of bad vibrato has in common is trying to shake it too fast. Wide and slow often sounds way better to me.
 
Blackbird":1owbjasn said:
Steve Morse comes to mind.


He was the one that came to mind for me. I love his playing and clearly the guy is a force technically, but I never gelled with his vibrato.
 
Andy on the Premier Guitar demos. "Jefferson Airplane" vibrato.
I find guys that try and cop other's vibrato to be pathetic. Like stealing someone's fingerprints, IMO.

The worst, as described above, is the alternate-picked fast run, only to land on a shit-vibrato'd note.
 
squealie":3ui6sxw9 said:
Shitty vibrato makes you sound like a shitty player. Poor Kirk Hammet is the best example I can think of. It's what puts your stamp on your playing...put some effort into doing it cool. I dunno.

LOL! Hammett is a breath of fresh air IMO. Not a technique monster but still playing guitar in one of the biggest bands in the world. Makes the average hack (like me) feel like they have a chance, well, at least it did 20 years ago............and I highly doubt he's poor. :rock:
 
Pat6969":227hzn64 said:
squealie":227hzn64 said:
Shitty vibrato makes you sound like a shitty player. Poor Kirk Hammet is the best example I can think of. It's what puts your stamp on your playing...put some effort into doing it cool. I dunno.

LOL! Hammett is a breath of fresh air IMO. Not a technique monster but still playing guitar in one of the biggest bands in the world. Makes the average hack (like me) feel like they have a chance, well, at least it did 20 years ago............and I highly doubt he's poor. :rock:

Hammett gets ragged on a lot, but note for note his solos aren't that easy to play. He does those horizontal runs real fast and I can't figure out if he's just hitting whatever notes or has some actual method of hitting notes. He's got those skinny fingers which are pretty fast at trills, etc... For whatever flaws he has, there are a lot of dudes who were inspired to play because of him.
 
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