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What's the deal with these? I know they are hand built but are they that different in spec from a Gibson historic? Even historics seem way overpriced. I don't get why people are going nuts and paying 10k+ for them.
Granted I'm not a les Paul guy. Not bagging on how anyone spends there money but that's a lot of coin for a guitar sight unseen. Not to mention ordering from foreign countries, several year waiting lists, etc...
What is so different about these from a 2k used r8 or r9? Just hype? Scarcity?
 
H Golf Sport":1934hz2b said:
What's the deal with these? I know they are hand built but are they that different in spec from a Gibson historic? Even historics seem way overpriced. I don't get why people are going nuts and paying 10k+ for them.
Granted I'm not a les Paul guy. Not bagging on how anyone spends there money but that's a lot of coin for a guitar sight unseen.
What is so different about these from a 2k used r8 or r9? Just hype?
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Can you point out some of those $2K r8 and r9? I never see them anywhere near $2K...

Steve
 
6-7K for a nice one. I have not found a really nice old Gibson that cheap but I haven't seen them all.

Whatever floats your boat. You can toss 2500 on a set of golf clubs
 
People want exact recreations of the holy grails. Gibson comes close for the some in the historic line but to the purist there are many things not exactly right so they seek out someone who can do it right.

I never found an R8 or R9 for $2k and I looked, got tired of hunting and broke down and bought a 2012 Traditional Plus in March of 2012. People were telling me to get a used one for 2k and I couldn't find any. I love the trad + so it's all good. The RI's are great guitars, I love my BB7 LPC.
 
After reading through that entire Bartlett build thread on the les paul forum, I can understand why folks drop the coin on a vintage spec replica. The idea of a craftsman building one entirely by hand, by himself, using all of the original '50's techniques seems pretty cool to me.
 
Randy Rhoads used a Bartlett.

John Sykes uses a Max.

John Norum uses a Yaron.

Zakk Wylde uses both Bartlett and Yaron.

What do you think? Serious players like that are going to use Norlin era Les Pauls, the ones widely considered the worst Les Pauls Gibson ever made to tour the world, and write and record landmark rock tunes played on classic rock stations around the world? You have got to be kidding me. If you are serious about this hobby, you can't be using inferior stuff like this. And it is well known, you can't make a good Les Paul in the United States, well, you can make a good one. But is a good one good enough for you? Not me! I'm Chubtone! A guy on a forum, screwing around on a forum when I should be working. I'm freaking important man! ;)

A Les Paul is just not that important to me that I would spend that much on the best version of it available. I'm happy to look at the pictures of them though....... while listening to Randy or Sykes tear it up on their Norlin eras. :rock:
 
Shawn Lutz":3f5vr1he said:
People want exact recreations of the holy grails. Gibson comes close for the some in the historic line but to the purist there are many things not exactly right so they seek out someone who can do it right.
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Here is what I'm getting at. What is "Right".

http://davesguitar.com/products/gibson-custom-shop/1958-les-paul-reissue-hand-picked-limited-run/

Take this guitar above.
What are the custom guys doing that is so different? I get the hand made part and they are beautiful and no doubt well built.
Is there some specs gibson is not doing that they used to in the 50's?
Just trying to understand the differences. Don't see why people would go so nuts? Not trying to hate. Just trying to see if there is something other than exclusivity, internet hype, etc...

Chubtone":3f5vr1he said:
Randy Rhoads used a Bartlett.

John Sykes uses a Max.

John Norum uses a Yaron.

Zakk Wylde uses both Bartlett and Yaron.

What do you think? Serious players like that are going to use Norlin era Les Pauls, the ones widely considered the worst Les Pauls Gibson ever made to tour the world, and write and record landmark rock tunes played on classic rock stations around the world? You have got to be kidding me. If you are serious about this hobby, you can't be using inferior stuff like this. And it is well known, you can't make a good Les Paul in the United States, well, you can make a good one. But is a good one good enough for you? Not me! I'm Chubtone! A guy on a forum, screwing around on a forum when I should be working. I'm freaking important man!

A Les Paul is just not that important to me that I would spend that much on the best version of it available. I'm happy to look at the pictures of them though....... while listening to Randy or Zakk tear it up on their Norlin eras. :D
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Simmer down there pusher of Hecho in Mexico amps and production line charvels. :lol: :LOL:

Thanks for the amp by the way. Made it in one piece and sounds great.
 
H Golf Sport":1tpcnx3w said:
Simmer down there pusher of Hecho in Mexico amps and production line charvels. :lol: :LOL:
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Speaking of Hecho en Mexico amps, I found a guy in Istanbul that makes exact recreations of the 5150III 50 watter using the exact same build materials and techniques that the factory did way back in 2012!!!! They are only $4k. I got in line today. Only 3 years wait!!!!! What are you waiting for? :lol: :LOL:
 
Holy Shit!!! Do I need to drop a deposit or full amount with you to get on the list?
Does he have a prototype yet?
 
H Golf Sport":3chbujfv said:
Holy Shit!!! Do I need to drop a deposit or full amount with you to get on the list?
Does he have a prototype yet?
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Full amount plus finders fees, commissions, broker fees, Vandelay Industries importer exporter fees and a $1.50 convenience charge.
 
Prototype?!!!! Oh ye of little faith. He had a dream about it man. A vivid, lucid dream. This guy's the best. He doesn't need a prototype. Hurry before the price goes up!!!!!!!
 
Chubtone":aidfvnf0 said:
Randy Rhoads used a Bartlett.

John Sykes uses a Max.

John Norum uses a Yaron.

Zakk Wylde uses both Bartlett and Yaron.

What do you think? Serious players like that are going to use Norlin era Les Pauls, the ones widely considered the worst Les Pauls Gibson ever made to tour the world, and write and record landmark rock tunes played on classic rock stations around the world? You have got to be kidding me. If you are serious about this hobby, you can't be using inferior stuff like this. And it is well known, you can't make a good Les Paul in the United States, well, you can make a good one. But is a good one good enough for you? Not me! I'm Chubtone! A guy on a forum, screwing around on a forum when I should be working. I'm freaking important man! ;)

A Les Paul is just not that important to me that I would spend that much on the best version of it available. I'm happy to look at the pictures of them though....... while listening to Randy or Sykes tear it up on their Norlin eras. :rock:
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I know these responses are somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but they are starting to sound like some of Digi's rants towards the end... ;)

So... all these great players... good for them... everyone should play whatever they want or was available or they could afford and got used to making work at the time... there is no question that you can make great music with great tone with even cheaper gear... Eddie sounded damn good on those $200 pieces of shit he slapped together...

Seems to me that some people would like to buy something awesome made by a single craftsman and they are willing to pay double what Gibson charges for guitars typically built by a team. Gibson has economies of scale that no guy making 10-15 guitars a year can match. That one guy's time and effort is worth it to some people... For example, didn't Randy buy a pretty pricey handmade classical guitar at one point? Was that really necessary? Couldn't he have played just as awesome and sounded just as good on a guitar that was a fraction of the price he paid? I think Eddie paid $20K for two Les Pauls in the early 80s (turned out a great investment, but who would have known at the time). What a waste...he sounded just as good on the crap he slung together...

I'm not 1/1000th of the guitarists you mentioned above... Hell, I'm not 1/1000th of the guitarist you are, but if I, or anyone else have this guitar hobby and appreciate that craftsmanship and wanna pay for it, who cares. And who cares what any of these other guys play?

So... I also have to ask. Why did you bother buying a Charvel Custom Shop for triple the list price, when you sound just as awesome playing the Pro Mods and per many comments, they feel awesome as well? Could it be a similar reason? Maybe... And, of course, I know you are a dealer, but the ratio of your price between the custom shop and pro mods has to be similar...

Just some thoughts... Oh yeah, and how do I get in on those Instanbul-made 5150 III clones? I wanna be the first on my block!!! :)

Steve
 
like Steve said, it's just a luxury good. Fun to own something like that. Fact is, especially today, if you can't go into a GC and grab practically any guitar off the wall and rock out, it ain't the guitar that's the problem. Doesn't mean we don't all want something more than a Mexican Fender or Indonesian Epiphone.
 
* sniff sniff *


I smell shit being stirred in the air with a 90% chance of butt hurt.....


If I had 10 grand in disposable income that I could allot to a bad ass guitar... I would, I just don't have it! :D
 
Chubtone":18cemgal said:
H Golf Sport":18cemgal said:
Holy Shit!!! Do I need to drop a deposit or full amount with you to get on the list?
Does he have a prototype yet?
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Full amount plus finders fees, commissions, broker fees, Vandelay Industries importer exporter fees and a $1.50 convenience charge.
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And you want to be my latex salesman... :lol: :LOL:
 
sah5150":22vok3vt said:
H Golf Sport":22vok3vt said:
What's the deal with these? I know they are hand built but are they that different in spec from a Gibson historic? Even historics seem way overpriced. I don't get why people are going nuts and paying 10k+ for them.
Granted I'm not a les Paul guy. Not bagging on how anyone spends there money but that's a lot of coin for a guitar sight unseen.
What is so different about these from a 2k used r8 or r9? Just hype?
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Can you point out some of those $2K r8 and r9? I never see them anywhere near $2K...

Steve
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Not exactly $2k, but I grabbed my G0 for $2200 and my R0 for $2500. Seen several R8s under $2k on MLP, though they go quick.
 
sah5150":yugpcul5 said:
I know these responses are somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but they are starting to sound like some of Digi's rants towards the end... ;)
Steve
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If I am keeping the spirit of Digijams alive, then I am doing my job. I just wish I was creative enough to summon Barzini's spirit too. :thumbsup:

sah5150":yugpcul5 said:
For example, didn't Randy buy a pretty pricey handmade classical guitar at one point? Was that really necessary? Couldn't he have played just as awesome and sounded just as good on a guitar that was a fraction of the price he paid? Steve
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BLASPHEMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :gethim: (We really need a burn the witch emoticon)

sah5150":yugpcul5 said:
So... I also have to ask. Why did you bother buying a Charvel Custom Shop for triple the list price, when you sound just as awesome playing the Pro Mods and per many comments, they feel awesome as well? Could it be a similar reason? Maybe... And, of course, I know you are a dealer, but the ratio of your price between the custom shop and pro mods has to be similar...
Steve
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Dude, I am trying to have some fun here and your reason and logic easily show the holes in my own "arguments" that I am really only behind about 30% to begin with.

 
I like custom made gear in general. Had tons of off the rack, and tons of "boutique. There is a discernible difference to me. Now it may only be 5-10% but cost 4xs more. But that last 5-10% always cost 4xs as much - or more. Cars, TVs, stereos (most electronics), food, alcohol, etc. all are like this. It seems insane to me that someone will spend $50k on a watch, when a $20 Timex will keep just as accurate time. :confused: But they have do. who am I to say that isn't worth it?

It always seems we are on the edge of class warfare on RT :lol: :LOL: Don't hate ;) :D
 
Shark Diver":vrs7g6k5 said:
I like custom made gear in general. Had tons of off the rack, and tons of "boutique. There is a discernible difference to me. Now it may only be 5-10% but cost 4xs more. But that last 5-10% always cost 4xs as much - or more. Cars, TVs, stereos (most electronics), food, alcohol, etc. all are like this. It seems insane to me that someone will spend $50k on a watch, when a $20 Timex will keep just as accurate time. :confused: But they have do. who am I to say that isn't worth it?

It always seems we are on the edge of class warfare on RT :lol: :LOL: Don't hate ;) :D
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It is class warfare.

Our socialist leaning society usually paints people with money as bad, wasteful, extravagant. So they try to tax it away. Redistribution.

If the stock guitars and amps are so great, there would not be a builders page on RT!

:lol: :LOL:
 
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