Belated NADs: Lenz Octane and Wizard Hell Razor

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The Lenz arrived back in April (at the height of tariff stupidity so I got brutalized there) and the Wizard has been here for a couple of weeks at this point (awesome transaction with @MetalHeadMike )

On the Lenz; as somebody who has enjoyed other people playing on a Recto but has never personally gelled with one (Never played a Rev C, had a Hermansson modded Triple prior to his current standard mods, played plenty of others) this addresses all of my issues. Has the definition and feel that I always find lacking. Plenty of definition and aggression while still scratching the voice itch of a recto. Have to say it’s a winner overall and would highly recommend.

The Hell Razor I have not had as much time with….but will say it is a tricky beast and am admittedly struggling a bit with it. This is a E34L model with a serial number of 26; not certain if that makes it a recent or early build? The sweep range to some of the controls in combination with the amount of somewhat overlapping and interacting controls (the multiple gain and bright knobs) makes it very easy to very quickly make a wrong turn into a tree when dialing it in. There is greatness in it for sure, but it definitely requires more work than almost any other amp I own to get there.

The midrange voicing of it also seems to be far more sensitive to speakers than other amps, but that could also just be a function of the previously mentioned challenges. Knee jerk would be the mids are quite similar to what I recall from the last modern classic I owned, but it’s been several years since that so I could be off in the woods in that assessment. With Fane F70s (not F70g) it is easy to get into a very boxy and unpleasant area (the Fanes can do that on their own though), but with enough tweaking that accentuation can just be turned into massive amount of thump and punch. My Redback/v30 cab seems to be the most natural match for it at this stage. Or at least, the easiest to dial in.
When it is dialed in, it has all the characteristics you would want. Massive amount of air movement, clarity, and aggression. Probably most overlooked is how awesome this can get on some more moderate gain/not super aggro metal. Tele with wrhb going after late 90s Midwest indie rock is very satisfying with this amp. Overall, still figuring this one out but I think it will be a keeper.
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Congrats. I have an Octane as well and enjoy it. Looks badass with the lighter faceplate. The Hellrazor is one I have almost pulled the trigger on a few times but have had reservations for the reasons you listed. I hope you get it dialed in. Still drooling at that Hermasson PA head.
 
Congrats! I had a Lenz Octane too and agree. For many it can be the right balance of having that extra tightness and sharper cut you don’t get in Recto’s (even a Rev C), but not going as far as Hermansson for those that find it too much

The Hell Razor is one of my top 8 favorite high gain amps I’ve played (only know the KT150 versions though), but I agree it’s one of the most finicky amps to dial in that I’ve played, but when you get there it’s amazing and destroys the MTL & MC I had in the past. I can pm you later my settings if it helps. It took me a long time to figure it out for what I like. Definitely the punchiest amp I’ve played

EDIT: not sure how much different your Hell Razor would be if it’s an early one. Mine is later
 
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The Lenz arrived back in April (at the height of tariff stupidity so I got brutalized there) and the Wizard has been here for a couple of weeks at this point (awesome transaction with @MetalHeadMike )

On the Lenz; as somebody who has enjoyed other people playing on a Recto but has never personally gelled with one (Never played a Rev C, had a Hermansson modded Triple prior to his current standard mods, played plenty of others) this addresses all of my issues. Has the definition and feel that I always find lacking. Plenty of definition and aggression while still scratching the voice itch of a recto. Have to say it’s a winner overall and would highly recommend.

The Hell Razor I have not had as much time with….but will say it is a tricky beast and am admittedly struggling a bit with it. This is a E34L model with a serial number of 26; not certain if that makes it a recent or early build? The sweep range to some of the controls in combination with the amount of somewhat overlapping and interacting controls (the multiple gain and bright knobs) makes it very easy to very quickly make a wrong turn into a tree when dialing it in. There is greatness in it for sure, but it definitely requires more work than almost any other amp I own to get there.

The midrange voicing of it also seems to be far more sensitive to speakers than other amps, but that could also just be a function of the previously mentioned challenges. Knee jerk would be the mids are quite similar to what I recall from the last modern classic I owned, but it’s been several years since that so I could be off in the woods in that assessment. With Fane F70s (not F70g) it is easy to get into a very boxy and unpleasant area (the Fanes can do that on their own though), but with enough tweaking that accentuation can just be turned into massive amount of thump and punch. My Redback/v30 cab seems to be the most natural match for it at this stage. Or at least, the easiest to dial in.
When it is dialed in, it has all the characteristics you would want. Massive amount of air movement, clarity, and aggression. Probably most overlooked is how awesome this can get on some more moderate gain/not super aggro metal. Tele with wrhb going after late 90s Midwest indie rock is very satisfying with this amp. Overall, still figuring this one out but I think it will be a keeper.
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Yo! I'm pretty sure its a 2024 build. A touch different to dial, but I didn't struggle per say finding my typical core tone. It seemed to like my EVH Greenback cab, K100 cab, and Bogner Uberkab with v30/T75 equally well...sounded great to me through all those cabs and speakers.
 
I had an HR from the first batch in 2023 and struggled to make it work. I then sold it , after which it resold twice, so it’s likely a bad example
 
Congrats. I have an Octane as well and enjoy it. Looks badass with the lighter faceplate. The Hellrazor is one I have almost pulled the trigger on a few times but have had reservations for the reasons you listed. I hope you get it dialed in. Still drooling at that Hermasson PA head.
Have you gotten the mgl yet?!
 
Damn that's some nice amps. The way you describe the Octane sounds like it fixes all the issues of why I've never been able to get along with a Recto.
 
Congrats! I had a Lenz Octane too and agree. For many it can be the right balance of having that extra tightness and sharper cut you don’t get in Recto’s (even a Rev C), but not going as far as Hermansson for those that find it too much

The Hell Razor is one of my top 8 favorite high gain amps I’ve played (only know the KT150 versions though), but I agree it’s one of the most finicky amps to dial in that I’ve played, but when you get there it’s amazing and destroys the MTL & MC I had in the past. I can pm you later my settings if it helps. It took me a long time to figure it out for what I like. Definitely the punchiest amp I’ve played

EDIT: not sure how much different your Hell Razor would be if it’s an early one. Mine is later

Certainly won’t turn away any setting suggestions! I have been playing with having the mids cranked, treating the treble and bass more like presence and depth while using the presence and depth to factor in the high and low. Saturation as a variable and then the three different gains to give different colors overall. With the number of variables I have kind of set and forgot the brights on the back of the amp for the moment

i've yet to hear a hell razor sound better than an MCII.

Always wanted to love the MC and the MTL; owned both and never gelled with either. Some of my favorite all time tones are MC based (Chris Cheney from The Living End).

Damn that's some nice amps. The way you describe the Octane sounds like it fixes all the issues of why I've never been able to get along with a Recto.

Thanks!
Highly recommend the Octane if you are primarily a Marshall guy and want that Recto derived sound in your tool box
There’s a few other amps out there I want to have a go at, but that list is getting shorter and shorter
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Certainly won’t turn away any setting suggestions! I have been playing with having the mids cranked, treating the treble and bass more like presence and depth while using the presence and depth to factor in the high and low. Saturation as a variable and then the three different gains to give different colors overall. With the number of variables I have kind of set and forgot the brights on the back of the amp for the moment



Always wanted to love the MC and the MTL; owned both and never gelled with either. Some of my favorite all time tones are MC based (Chris Cheney from The Living End).



Thanks!
Highly recommend the Octane if you are primarily a Marshall guy and want that Recto derived sound in your tool box
There’s a few other amps out there I want to have a go at, but that list is getting shorter and shorter
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Yeah I think the real 2 keys for setting my Hell Razor KT150 to where I like it is the mids dimed and using the lo input instead. Gives imo more clarity, balance and still stupid amount of gain lol. For me it smokes and makes obsolete the MC & MTL I had before for anything but maybe less aggressive rock styles
 
I’ll send you my hell razor settings if you want . I love this amp
 
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